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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #7082
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    manofwisdom wrote: »
    Cases load probably the same as we weren't testing 20,000 a day in the 1st wave. What in the level 5 restrictions was different then to now? I don't believe this part of the world has proper lock downs especially when people continue to fly in here without a test.

    There was some analysis done in the UK a couple of weeks ago to try to strip out the effect on case numbers of having more tests this time round than in the first wave. They used hospitalisations and death rates to infer case numbers (was a little more scientific but that was the basis). They found that the case numbers were higher in the first wave than the 2nd or third (but I don’t think much difference between the 1st and 3rd). Can’t remember where I saw it but it was a proper analysis.....not some back of the envelope Twitter ‘expert’


  • #7083
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Widescreen wrote: »
    Well, at the moment the cases are twice as bad roughly per day as it got in the first wave when we had a proper lock down.That did the trick and got the cases down very low and practically got rid of covid 19 for the summer.

    With the current level 4.2 lockdown it will take a lot longer to get the cases down below 50 which you would probably need to be at to have a think of lifting restrictions.

    To accelerate the case reduction, they should limit people to 2km and close everything that was closed during the first wave for a 3 week period. That would make a big difference in reducing cases. Current lockdown is too loose and therefore too slow to work. Between this and the vaccine roll out we are a joke shop.

    It’s difficult at this stage to determine that posts like these aren’t attempts at trolling. Seriously.


  • #7084
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ireland is the only country that doesn’t enforce that now, right? It have we started?

    I don't know how enforced it is, but it's been mandatory since this monday: https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/#new-pre-departure-testing-requirements-for-all-passengers-travelling-to-ireland

    According to https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/IRL/7001 there are EU countries that don't require a test, or only require it from specific locations at least. Like Italy.


  • #7085
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    marno21 wrote: »
    It’s difficult at this stage to determine that posts like these aren’t attempts at trolling. Seriously.

    I think it's safe to say that poster is an idiot. Level 4.2 was enough for me to make a call.


  • #7086
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Very positive today that there is a downward trend on cases. May jump tomorrow but 3 day average is reducing.


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  • #7087
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Can someone clarify for me, re. statement on border restrictions by an Australia health representative "Even if we have a lot of the population vaccinated, we don't know whether that will prevent transmission of the virus" - where is the main concern here, if everyone vaccinated, where do the concerns remain about transmission i.e. transmission to who? Or is it that they don't accept that vaccines will protect sufficiently so need to relegate things still?


  • #7088
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Can someone clarify for me, re. statement on border restrictions by an Australia health representative "Even if we have a lot of the population vaccinated, we don't know whether that will prevent transmission of the virus" - where is the main concern here, if everyone vaccinated, where do the concerns remain about transmission i.e. transmission to who? Or is it that they don't accept that vaccines will protect sufficiently so need to relegate things still?

    They’ve done well to this point but I think that their overcaution with this will do them a disservice from, say, September onwards. We will have localised clusters of this for years (vaccines around 90% effective, we don’t know for how long, and not everyone will get them) so we need to be prepared for test and trace and isolate for a good few years, even when we are fully open. AUS and NZ have got into a mindset of accepting no cases no matter what and if they don’t get out of this and allow for some localised transmission, and an appropriate test and trace system, then they will not open their borders for years.


  • #7089
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Evening all.
    Quick question, on the six one Fergal says that the ema have said there has been no deaths in Europe due to the vaccine.
    So are the deaths in Norway attributed to the vaccine fake news or what’s the craic?
    Or is it that Norway isn’t in the EU so that doesn’t count as European deaths?


  • #7090
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Germany weighs up mandatory FFP2 masks in shops and on transport

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/18/germany-weighs-up-mandatory-ffp2-masks-in-shops-and-on-transport

    They're only doing that because they're all out of other ideas.

    Germany is a weird one. Cases now on a downward trend, hospitalisations same, ICU same, but politicians coming out with new 'ideas' every day. Election year I suppose.


  • #7091
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    South African flights need to be banned at this stage.

    https://twitter.com/kakape/status/1351252334890901504


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  • #7092
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Sounds like our hospitals may be busy for some time to come

    https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1351260324821938193?s=19


  • #7093
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Is there a case (as other countries have done) that citizenship is offered to every single healthcare worker as a mark of thanks for the work and sacrifices made in this difficult period?


  • #7094
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Funny how when anybody says the same about end of life patients die shortly after testing positive for Covid they get shot down.

    Was thinking the same myself, these people could have lived for months or years more only they got these vaccine or or or maybe these people would have died anyway like a large number of people in nursing homes who get covid.


  • #7095
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Was thinking the same myself, these people could have lived for months or years more only they got these vaccine or or or maybe these people would have died anyway like a large number of people in nursing homes who get covid.

    My Grandmother died in a nursing home a few years back after picking up a virus. She lived a long and happy life. This was pre-Covid.


  • #7096
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Evening all.
    Quick question, on the six one Fergal says that the ema have said there has been no deaths in Europe due to the vaccine.
    So are the deaths in Norway attributed to the vaccine fake news or what’s the craic?
    Or is it that Norway isn’t in the EU so that doesn’t count as European deaths?

    With a massive proportion of the elderly getting the vaccine, it is just going to happen. If we have given every nursing home resident the vaccine in one month here in Ireland, some of those residents will pass away naturally as they would have done without the vaccine. If it's a relative, it may be hard to process and not attribute to the vaccination. As hard as it is, a number of people die each and every day in nursing homes and that doesn't stop. If the number of deaths is in line with 'normal' mortality rates, it's unlikely to be the vaccine.

    It may be even harder as the vaccine becomes widely available. I'm not sure how many people die of SADS each year in Ireland, but we'll have some of those who had the vaccine recently too. There'll be a point, probably during the summer, that we'll have a huge proportion of the population will all have one thing in common – we'll have recently been vaccinated. Some people may attribute normal run-of-the-mill illnesses to the vaccine, colds, viruses, stomach bugs, etc.


  • #7097
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Is there a case (as other countries have done) that citizenship is offered to every single healthcare worker as a mark of thanks for the work and sacrifices made in this difficult period?




    And what does paddy Irishman the health care worker get?
    Another round of applause and an annual retention fee letter in the door.
    Fcukin jokeshop


  • #7098
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    And what does paddy Irishman the health care worker get?
    Another round of applause and an annual retention fee letter in the door.
    Fcukin jokeshop

    Are you against the many migrant workers who keep our health system functioning getting recognition of that.


  • #7099
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,169 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1351241451917729796
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #7100
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    With a massive proportion of the elderly getting the vaccine, it is just going to happen. If we have given every nursing home resident the vaccine in one month here in Ireland, some of those residents will pass away naturally as they would have done without the vaccine. If it's a relative, it may be hard to process and not attribute to the vaccination. As hard as it is, a number of people die each and every day in nursing homes and that doesn't stop. If the number of deaths is in line with 'normal' mortality rates, it's unlikely to be the vaccine.

    It may be even harder as the vaccine becomes widely available. I'm not sure how many people die of SADS each year in Ireland, but we'll have some of those who had the vaccine recently too. There'll be a point, probably during the summer, that we'll have a huge proportion of the population will all have one thing in common – we'll have recently been vaccinated. Some people may attribute normal run-of-the-mill illnesses to the vaccine, colds, viruses, stomach bugs, etc.

    ..........ok thanks for that, but that’s not what I asked.

    I asked how come the deaths of the Norwegian elderly people which have been attributed to the vaccine, haven’t been included in European deaths attributed to the vaccine.
    I’m not arguing against the vaccine!!


  • #7101
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1351241451917729796

    What does a lab confirmation mean, if the person had covid at time of death it goes down as a covid death.


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  • #7102
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Are you against the many migrant workers who keep our health system functioning getting recognition of that.




    No I’m not but if anyone in the health service is getting a bonus it should be universal as they did in Scotland and waive the annual retention fee


  • #7103
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tom1ie wrote: »
    ..........ok thanks for that, but that’s not what I asked.

    I asked how come the deaths of the Norwegian elderly people which have been attributed to the vaccine, haven’t been included in European deaths attributed to the vaccine.
    I’m not arguing against the vaccine!!

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-18/norway-finds-no-direct-link-between-elderly-deaths-and-vaccine

    They haven't been attributed to the vaccine.


  • #7104
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Evening all.
    Quick question, on the six one Fergal says that the ema have said there has been no deaths in Europe due to the vaccine.
    So are the deaths in Norway attributed to the vaccine fake news or what’s the craic?
    Or is it that Norway isn’t in the EU so that doesn’t count as European deaths?

    First of all the Norwegian deaths are as far as I know under investigation. They haven't concluded that the vaccine was a cause of death. They are elderly persons of frailty scale 9 who died within a certain time period of the vaccine.

    They haven't determined that the vaccine played any role in their deaths. They are persons of clinical frailty scale 9.

    Personally I suspect that the vaccine may have been cause of death and I would have reservation about doctors giving anything with side effects such as fever to a person in that condition.

    Finally they are Norway so even if it was the cause of death the ema wouldn't count it as a eu death.


  • #7105
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Hardyn wrote: »
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-18/norway-finds-no-direct-link-between-elderly-deaths-and-vaccine

    They haven't been attributed to the vaccine.

    Fair enough. I read something saying it was. Very hard to tell what’s true or not to be honest.


  • #7106
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Are you against the many migrant workers who keep our health system functioning getting recognition of that.




    It’s not just migrant workers keeping our health service functioning either by the way.
    Manys the Irish man and woman who have spent their lives working in it and having to strike on normal years in order for a fair wage.


  • #7107
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    First of all the Norwegian deaths are as far as I know under investigation. They haven't concluded that the vaccine was a cause of death. They are elderly persons of frailty scale 9 who died within a certain time period of the vaccine.

    They haven't determined that the vaccine played any role in their deaths. They are persons of clinical frailty scale 9.

    Personally I suspect that the vaccine may have been cause of death and I would have reservation about doctors giving anything with side effects such as fever to a person in that condition.

    Finally they are Norway so even if it was the cause of death the ema wouldn't count it as a eu death.

    Yeah i was thinking along the same lines as yourself.
    I’m pretty sure the article I read was an rte article.


  • #7108
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Evening all.
    Quick question, on the six one Fergal says that the ema have said there has been no deaths in Europe due to the vaccine.
    So are the deaths in Norway attributed to the vaccine fake news or what’s the craic?
    Or is it that Norway isn’t in the EU so that doesn’t count as European deaths?

    Norway has vaccinated 42,000 people over 80 with serious health conditions it's hardly surprising a few dozen died during the few weeks since vaccinations began. Although I find it strange that UK which has administered millions of vaccines has apparently not reported any similar number of deaths after vaccine? Why would it just be Norway?


  • #7109
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Yeah i was thinking along the same lines as yourself.
    I’m pretty sure the article I read was an rte article.

    Sorry just re read that article and it said may have caused and that there’s no concrete link, but 23 cases...........hmmmm.


  • #7110
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    First of all the Norwegian deaths are as far as I know under investigation. They haven't concluded that the vaccine was a cause of death. They are elderly persons of frailty scale 9 who died within a certain time period of the vaccine.

    They haven't determined that the vaccine played any role in their deaths. They are persons of clinical frailty scale 9.

    Personally I suspect that the vaccine may have been cause of death and I would have reservation about doctors giving anything with side effects such as fever to a person in that condition.

    Finally they are Norway so even if it was the cause of death the ema wouldn't count it as a eu death.

    Just to add scale nine persons sadly only had an expected life expectancy of 6 months to a year.
    Due to diagnosis of a terminal illness.


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  • #7111
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Sorry just re read that article and it said may have caused and that there’s no concrete link, but 23 cases...........hmmmm.

    What exactly is your point? Asking questions is great but I'm unsure what you are asking and why you are asking it.


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