Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

DebDynamite wrote: »

That figure doesn’t include those who flew/sailed into Belfast though after travel to the Repblic was stopped.

I just answered a question with a link, please share an alternative link.

seamus wrote: »

This is entire article is pure doomongering. A selection of deliberately dour anecdotes.

I agree, that article is a disgrace. I read it and thought omg I had sinus pain for the first time last year (which lots of sinus washes cleared out in a day so probably not covid) but then when I started thinking about the possibility the article started to get very annoying. It’s a clear attempt to scare people into staying home and it’s dishonest. In particular this “People are saying, ‘I feel it’s just a cold.’ But there’s no other flu-like illness out there.” If that’s true, when we tested only symptomatic cases and not close contacts and got 20-25% positivity rate, there’s still 75%-80% of people tested who don’t have it but have symptoms. I know some are probably front line workers and nursing homes but still a good chunk of people tested who have symptoms and do not have covid. They’re clearly trying to say if you have any symptom it could be covid, you won’t get a test if you don’t meet the criteria, so stay at home. And they should just say that, rather than lie about it, it’s dishonest, and people lose faith in advice when it’s clearly spin to scare you rather than reason with you into doing something.
And if the symptoms listed were clearly covid the CMO and HSE should up date their advice and criteria accordingly

is_that_so wrote: »

NPHET advise and recommend, the government decide what to do.

That's my point, the Government ****ed up. Because of poor governance, majority of businesses have been told to not expect to reopen before March. They have repeatedly spun the narrative of having several considerations besides public health e.g. the economy. But this has proven to have been a massive failure, because when Public Health system nears collapse, the economy is a close domino contact.

is_that_so wrote: »

Have you a plan to hand on how we go about it, bearing in mind all the backroad routes either way?

It’s been done on the continent, including between Belgium and the Netherlands which is about as complex a border as you could get. There are bits of Belgium entirely in the Netherlands and visa versa.

It’s not done here because it’s politically impossible and highly controversial.

There’s not much point in getting into a debate about Northern Ireland, but realistically we just aren’t going to close the border.

The logical thing to do would have been to have had an all island policy, but with the NI government and the DUP that’s also impossible.

So we are where we’re are - wheezing and choking on our own dogmatism and pigheaded stupidity in both jurisdictions, bolted to policies driven by probably the most irresponsible government ever to have sat in Westminster. I mean you’re looking at an administration that’s in the seen as being as bad as Trump by most international commentators.

Between COVID denial at the outset, mad notions about herd immunity by mass infection, refusal to close borders, half arsed lockdowns and push backs against them, politicising COVID, ploughing on with self inflicted supply chain disruption during a pandemic because all that matters is a big, beautiful Brexit with it’s sun lit uplands ...

Mad! Absolutely mad!

tom1ie wrote: »

I’m not spouting zero covid at all!
It’s bloody obvious to anyone with common sense that you stop the virus coming into the country to get your own virus problems under control!
PCR tests are only a snapshot in time.
Quarantine for 2 weeks is the only way to be sure. This is obvious.
If you can’t see this then I agree your better off leaving the conversation!

Quarantining with a backdoor up the North? Go away with your nonsense. ,
And a country who depends on trade - locking up hauliers is your answer? Nonsense again.

is_that_so wrote: »

I just answered a question with a link, please share an alternative link.

We’ll never know how many entered the Republic through Northern Ireland, but from people being interviewed on the news after arriving into Belfast, and from my own personal experience, it was happening on a large scale. If you’re trying to suggest otherwise, you’re just being a contrarian for the sake of it.

Beanybabog wrote: »

I agree, that article is a disgrace. I read it and thought omg I had sinus pain for the first time last year (which lots of sinus washes cleared out in a day so probably not covid) but then when I started thinking about the possibility the article started to get very annoying. It’s a clear attempt to scare people into staying home and it’s dishonest. In particular this “People are saying, ‘I feel it’s just a cold.’ But there’s no other flu-like illness out there.” If that’s true, when we tested only symptomatic cases and not close contacts and got 20-25% positivity rate, there’s still 75%-80% of people tested who don’t have it but have symptoms. I know some are probably front line workers and nursing homes but still a good chunk of people tested who have symptoms and do not have covid. They’re clearly trying to say if you have any symptom it could be covid, you won’t get a test if you don’t meet the criteria, so stay at home. And they should just say that, rather than lie about it, it’s dishonest, and people lose faith in advice when it’s clearly spin to scare you rather than reason with you into doing something.
And if the symptoms listed were clearly covid the CMO and HSE should up date their advice and criteria accordingly

It's not dishonest. It's simply reminding people that they could have it even if they don't have major symptoms.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Quarantining with a backdoor up the North? Go away with your nonsense. ,
And a country who depends on trade - locking up hauliers is your answer? Nonsense again.

Who said anything about locking up hauliers? Go away with your fake bull****.
As I have said previous we need to start somewhere.
You must love lockdown.

is_that_so wrote: »

The argument at the time was the very low numbers and of course the ability to test people. As always this spreads due to behaviours and proximity to other people. TBH I don't think you can claim to be proving half of this, without evidence.

Sorry proving half of what, what claims do you believe I'm making are contentious?

take everything wrote: »

Can someone answer a simple question.

There's a lot of talk about derogations for healthcare staff in the news today.

There are huge numbers of healthcare staff and gardai out of work at the moment due to being cases or close contacts.

Cases makes perfect sense.
But if you're a close contact why cant they just get tested and go back to work.

I feel I'm missing something here.

If it was simple you’d know the answer.

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Sorry proving half of what, what claims do.you believe I'm making are contentious?

I'm saying you can't prove them just as I can't disprove them.

Datacore wrote: »

It’s been done on the continent, including between Belgium and the Netherlands which is about as complex a border as you could get. There are bits of Belgium entirely in the Netherlands and visa versa.

It’s not done here because it’s politically impossible and highly controversial.

There’s not much point in getting into a debate about Northern Ireland, but realistically we just aren’t going to close the border.

The logical thing to do would have been to have had an all island policy, but with the NI government and the DUP that’s also impossible.

So we are where we’re are - wheezing and choking on our own dogmatism and pigheaded stupidity in both jurisdictions, bolted to policies driven by probably the most irresponsible government ever to have sat in Westminster. I mean you’re looking at an administration that’s in the seen as being as bad as Trump by most international commentators.

Between COVID denial at the outset, mad notions about herd immunity by mass infection, refusal to close borders, half arsed lockdowns and push backs against them, politicising COVID, ploughing on with self inflicted supply chain disruption during a pandemic because all that matters is a big, beautiful Brexit with it’s sun lit uplands ...

Mad! Absolutely mad!

If the brits go ahead with the 2 week strict quaranting and we implement the same the border shouldn't be a problem anymore.

ginoginelli wrote: »

If the brits go ahead with the 2 week strict quaranting and we implement the same the border shouldn't be a problem anymore.

It only took them a year, 88,000+ deaths and I donno a trillion or so in costs to realise this.

I honestly think this is going to go down as one of the most stupid eras in modern history.

Jesus there are some people on here that love burying their heads in the sand!
PCR test needed so we are all good- NONSENSE!!
can’t do quarantining cause of the border- NONSENSE, we can make a start can’t we.
Some people are just happy to live with lockdown indefinitely!

tigger123 wrote: »

What time do the numbers usually come out of a Sunday?

Any time between 5 and 6.30.