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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #5852
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    irish gps fighting 3rd wave

    So that sniffle may well be covid with these new variants

    This is the most alarming covid-19 article I have read. It seems to me that everyone will get this damn disease.


  • #5853
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Im not a fan of that columnist and it is just anecdotal however if Gps are seeing different symptoms and higher transmission rates within households then this could prolong times, reopening etc.

    Hopefully the higher transmission is more due to reduced social distancing over the holiday period as people reverted to old christmas ways.
    There's plenty of road to be had in doom and gloom and alarming people. There was a tweet posted from some GP during the week with a headline of 50% positive. It was 3/6 patients.


  • #5854
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Necro wrote: »
    Can confirm, stayed off work as I had a cough and GP sent me for a test. Already had Covid in October.... still waiting on results, I'll go mad if it's positive again :mad:

    Fingers X


  • #5855
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    is_that_so wrote: »
    There's plenty of road to be had in doom and gloom and alarming people. There was a tweet posted from some GP during the week with a headline of 50% positive. It was 3/6 patients.
    In good news the NRA has filed for bankruptcy in the US

    :)


  • #5856
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    ImDave wrote: »
    Very concerning anecdotes in that article - I would say almost unhelpfully concerning for vulnerable folks already doing everything they can.

    What is an acceptable level of factual information that you think Is ok or not “scaring people”? There was a lot of very good information in that Irish times piece. I find it hard to understand why people find information that is most likely a true account of something to be “scary” and shouldn’t be reported on. Quite often you see it on here where people are hostile to information that they find scary!

    Please don’t think I’m having a go at you, that’s not my intention. I find at times that I can’t relate to people’s reactions to information but wonder if this can explain why the authorities message has quite often been ignored. Lots of people with an aversion to bad news, regardless of its importance or authenticity.

    Vulnerable people are right to be concerned but we can’t filter all the news to protect all audience from it.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/irish-gps-fighting-third-wave-covid-on-the-front-line-of-the-world-s-worst-outbreak-1.4458430?mode=amp
    “Fifty per cent of the people getting tested here are positive, but we know our numbers are much higher, because many people with symptoms are simply refusing to get tested. They don’t want to be told they have to self-isolate.”

    I’d say there’s a fair few people not getting tested for multiple reasons on top of this. Self denial and being worried about potential long term issues that might cause problems. Even think of people applying for a mortgage , there’s a lot of people being postponed for life cover after COVID as life companies want to see how it plays out in some people.

    Change in pattern of symptoms

    There’s a lot of GPS mentioning a lot of people showing up with different symptoms. Here’s just a sample of some:

    GPs in some of the country’s Covid blackspots are noticing a marked change in the early symptoms during the third wave............

    He also noticed a shift in the pattern of early symptoms: severe headache, feeling cold, tiredness, nasal congestion. “People are saying, ‘I feel it’s just a cold.’ But there’s no other flu-like illness out there.”....

    Fifty per cent of positive cases at Dr Ilona Duffy’s Monaghan practice over two days recently presented with nasal congestion. “We are calling it the Covid voice – not just a little sniffle, but that sinusitis, blocked nasal sound. Symptoms are beginning earlier, maybe three days after exposure.”


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  • #5857
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    irish gps fighting 3rd wave

    So that sniffle may well be covid with these new variants

    The headline is a little OTT. If they want to see outbreaks that are worse look at Brazil where they are scrambling for oxygen as well as parts of the US where people are not getting care.

    Yes it is bad, and the Irish system is under huge pressure and yes it may well get worse, but there is light at the end of the tunnel and the vast majority of people are compliant with the current lockdown.


  • #5858
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Hospital increase seems to be slowing. Still early days. With the weekend coming and discharges not being as high over the weekend, it maybe early next week before we hopefully see some reductions.
    I'm sure those working in hospitals need that little bit of respite with cases in hospital reducing. It has to be mentally draining leaving work that day with more cases that you started. Likewise the daunting start of your shift knowing there's more patients than the previous shift. Has to be very demoralising.

    There were more hospital discharges yesterday than admissions, which hopefully is a sign of things to come.

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing


  • #5859
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    The headline is a little OTT. If they want to see outbreaks that are worse look at Brazil where they are scrambling for oxygen as well as parts of the US where people are not getting care.

    Yes it is bad, and the Irish system is under huge pressure and yes it may well get worse, but there is light at the end of the tunnel and the vast majority of people are compliant with the current lockdown.

    The grass is always browner

    ;)


  • #5860
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    alentejo wrote: »
    This is the most alarming covid-19 article I have read. It seems to me that everyone will get this damn disease.

    I didn’t read it as that. I read it as another example of how easy it is to get the virus and how important it is for me to be on my guard for the next few months, only going out when absolutely required. Also shows how easy it would be to get it by thinking it’s ok to interpret different rules (eg bubbles) in your own way. I also believe it would be easy to dismiss a cough or sinus issue or even diarrhoea because quite regularly we delude ourselves on many things (it’s a human trait) so it can be hard to see what is the real truth of our situation at times.

    I find a lot of people in these forums really struggle with scary news that may actually be relevant or helpful. Maybe these stories hit too close to home for some. That’s not a reason to reject or put down the information.


  • #5861
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    alentejo wrote: »
    This is the most alarming covid-19 article I have read. It seems to me that everyone will get this damn disease.
    This is entire article is pure doomongering. A selection of deliberately dour anecdotes.

    "I don't feel like this is getting better".
    Well, the data disagrees. Your feelings are irrelevant.

    "We've only seen a slight easing. We went from 200 referrals last week to 60 this week".
    That's a 70% drop you fvcking dose. Not a slight easing at all.

    "One patient picked it up in Tesco". "One patient got it when a man dropped off a delivery".
    No, both of these people picked it up from family members who came in for a cuppa, but they're too ashamed or in denial to admit it, so "got it from a random stranger" is much more palatable. How naive are you?

    FFS. What an irresponsible article.


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  • #5862
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    alentejo wrote: »
    This is the most alarming covid-19 article I have read. It seems to me that everyone will get this damn disease.

    It was very obvious from early on that everyone will get this. Not everyone will get the disease, but everyone will get infected at some point. That was never in doubt.


  • #5863
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    seamus wrote: »
    This is entire article is pure doomongering. A selection of deliberately four anecdotes.

    "I don't feel like this is getting better".
    Well, the data disagrees. Your feelings are irrelevant.

    "We've only seen a slight easing. We went from 200 referrals last week to 60 this week".
    That's a 70% drop you fvcking dose. Not a slight easing at all.

    "One patient picked it up in Tesco". "One patient got it when a man dropped off a delivery".
    No, both of these people picked it up from family members who came in for a cuppa, but they're too ashamed or in denial to admit it, so "got it from a random stranger" is much more palatable. How naive are you?

    FFS. What an irresponsible article.

    Spot on!!

    But at this stage, are we really surprised by the media and their dramatisation and focus on the negative. I expect better from the IT and it wouldn’t take much more of that to make me cancel my subscription! The reality is they need ‘clicks’ and ‘views’ to bolster their advertising revenue and fear and drama do that very well.


  • #5864
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    seamus wrote: »
    This is entire article is pure doomongering. A selection of deliberately four anecdotes.

    "I don't feel like this is getting better".
    Well, the data disagrees. Your feelings are irrelevant.

    "We've only seen a slight easing. We went from 200 referrals last week to 60 this week".
    That's a 70% drop you fvcking dose. Not a slight easing at all.

    "One patient picked it up in Tesco". "One patient got it when a man dropped off a delivery".
    No, both of these people picked it up from family members who came in for a cuppa, but they're too ashamed or in denial to admit it, so "got it from a random stranger" is much more palatable. How naive are you?

    FFS. What an irresponsible article.

    Do you not think you are letting your feelings on the article sway your sentiments on the information?

    This is another problem I’ve noticed on here. If people don’t like how the information is promoted they focus primarily on the parts they don’t like and effectively reject it.

    Seamus you are a solid poster in here but at some stage people have to grow up and learn to filter the noise out of information. Data tells you only one side of the story, anecdotal examples can help people interpret the data because most people can only relate to anecdotal examples.

    - people aren’t always looking to be tested when they are infected for multiple reasons
    - the symptoms people are showing appear to be diversifying
    - seems to be more families getting spreading it among each other

    If people take nothing else but this then I don’t see a problem. It’s people’s feelings on the information that’s preventing them from learning anything.


  • #5865
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Good to see https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1350401248764297216?s=19


  • #5866
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Good to see https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1350401248764297216?s=19
    Ah, so not CityWest? Great numbers to see.


  • #5867
    corcaigh07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,772 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    That article just shows how arrogant GPs can be. "We are in the coalface", feck off. Hospital nurses and doctors are severely fatigued from current understaffing, working savage hours and it's almost inevitable that they are going to get Covid or already had it.

    GPs are taking phone calls and getting €30 for every referral, I think they will be ok.


  • #5868
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    seamus wrote: »
    This is entire article is pure doomongering. A selection of deliberately four anecdotes.

    "I don't feel like this is getting better".
    Well, the data disagrees. Your feelings are irrelevant.

    "We've only seen a slight easing. We went from 200 referrals last week to 60 this week".
    That's a 70% drop you fvcking dose. Not a slight easing at all.

    "One patient picked it up in Tesco". "One patient got it when a man dropped off a delivery".
    No, both of these people picked it up from family members who came in for a cuppa, but they're too ashamed or in denial to admit it, so "got it from a random stranger" is much more palatable. How naive are you?

    FFS. What an irresponsible article.

    Absolutely spot on particularly your last sentence.

    Quite frankly our public health professionals need to clarify:

    1) if a person and a retailer take the necessary precautions then the risk of getting the virus in such a setting is minimal.

    2) vulnerable people should continue to take all precautions.

    3) the population in general needs to continue to follow the public health advice - we are already seeing progress and this progress should continue if people follow the advice.

    4) the State is making all efforts to roll out the vaccination programme so as to ensure that the most vulnerable in society will be protected at the earliest possible date.


  • #5869
    ImDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭ImDave


    Drumpot wrote: »
    What is an acceptable level of factual information that you think Is ok or not “scaring people”?

    I personally don't find the content of that article 'scary', however I was mostly referring to what could be seen as the somewhat sensationalist approach of the specific anecdote I referenced on the vulnerable persons getting groceries delivered, staying 4/5 meters away from the front door and still being infected. I'm assuming for a vulnerable person doing everything possible to stay as safe as possible, this would be quite a tough read and almost give a sense of inevitability around contracting the virus.

    I completely agree with not sugar coating the severity of the situation in the media in any way, I just get a general bang of throwing a scary story out there which will only really impact a group of people that can't really do much better than they already are. I'm not saying it's wrong to disseminate these types of stories - it's really just the specific quote I mentioned that I would question.


  • #5870
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    That article just shows how arrogant GPs can be. "We are in the coalface", feck off. Hospital nurses and doctors are severely fatigued from current understaffing, working savage hours and it's almost inevitable that they are going to get Covid or already had it.

    GPs are taking phone calls and getting €30 for every referral, I think they will be ok.

    30 I paid 40e yesterday! And had an entirely unsatisfactory consultation at the end of it.


  • #5871
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Spot on!!

    But at this stage, are we really surprised by the media and their dramatisation and focus on the negative. I expect better from the IT and it wouldn’t take much more of that to make me cancel my subscription! The reality is they need ‘clicks’ and ‘views’ to bolster their advertising revenue and fear and drama do that very well.

    The popular reaction of people to that article is quite telling.

    If people reject bad news because of how it’s packaged , it would help explain why people so easily made up their own rules during Christmas that played a huge role in our surge making global headlines.

    NEPHET asked everybody to reduce contacts and maintain vigilance when things opened up but Most people chose to interpret it as things are fine because levels are being lowered. If we can learn nothing else from this crisis but to learn to filter out noise and take important information from credible sources we will be better for it.


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  • #5872
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Necro wrote: »
    Can confirm, stayed off work as I had a cough and GP sent me for a test. Already had Covid in October.... still waiting on results, I'll go mad if it's positive again :mad:
    I wouldnt get too hung up on it.
    A neighbour had covid in april. She was tested regularly as she had a couple of hospital appointments a month. she returned positive results up until september.


  • #5873
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    ImDave wrote: »
    I personally don't find the content of that article 'scary', however I was mostly referring to what could be seen as the somewhat sensationalist approach of the specific anecdote I referenced on the vulnerable persons getting groceries delivered, staying 4/5 meters away from the front door and still being infected. I'm assuming for a vulnerable person doing everything possible to stay as safe as possible, this would be quite a tough read and almost give a sense of inevitability around contracting the virus.

    I completely agree with not sugar coating the severity of the situation in the media in any way, I just get a general bang of throwing a scary story out there which will only really impact a group of people that can't really do much better than they already are. I'm not saying it's wrong to disseminate these types of stories - it's really just the specific quote I mentioned that I would question.

    Yeh thats fair enough.

    I suppose I believe the problem isnt that the media sensationalise everything (they always do) it’s how people digest the entire information and let it consume them. I can do it as much as the next person. Reading a story about children dieing (I’ve three boys) can frighten the crap out of me but I have to step back from the story and see what I can learn and if I should really be concerned.

    People learning to filter information would be far better then trying to blame news mediums for doing what they always do. Trump and USA should be a warning for that alone as you can bet that same propaganda is coming our way.


  • #5874
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Stheno wrote: »
    Majcos if you don't mind me asking, from those numbers there are approx 100 non Covid people in ICU

    Are they separated from the covid patients, like we have Covid and non Covid A and E?
    Yes. Covid and non Covid are physically separated and have different teams of staff as much as possible. If a number of Covid positive patients are in one ICU, they may be cohorted together in one space. There is a theoretical concern about cross-infection with different strains but hopefully this doesn’t change the course of illness and if that were to occur that the immune response to one strain would also start to fight off the second strain.

    Suspected patients in ICUs are kept in isolation until result and clinical picture of illness is determined as they could turn out to be either Covid or non Covid.

    Most ICUs have a limited number of isolation spaces and then have open floors for the rest of patients but additional divisions were created during the first wave in some to help create more isolation spaces.


  • #5875
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,455 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I heard a funny new word on the radio this morning....doomscrolling
    doomscrolling is mindlessly scrolling through negative news articles, social media posts, or other content-sharing platforms. Essentially, it's reading one negative story after another.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #5876
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I heard a funny new word on the radio this morning....doomscrolling

    Whats the opposite?

    Wishful thinkment scrolling?

    Eddie Izzard
    It’s still wishful thinkment. Wishful… Wishful thinkment. Wish fulfilment. Wishful thinking. Wishful thinking and wish fulfilment is wishful thinkment, if combined


  • #5877
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Whoa back offa the article. It's just one article.

    First of all the byline says specifically
    DOCTORS IN SOME OF IRELAND’S WORST-HIT AREAS DESCRIBE THEIR EXPERIENCES...

    The writer (I don't know them, feckit I know nobody!) focused entirely on the areas that have an extremely high covid incidence - which they are perfectly entitled to do if seeking a salutary tale - and they spoke to actual real existing GPs there who gave their anecdotes.

    There are some useful points in the article, especially re changing symptoms. *Clears throat and wonders *

    The GP in Cavan told of people reluctant to get tests - I would say that is very true. She talked about very different symptoms that last wave - useful to know.
    The GP in Belmullet has - let's face it - been in one of the worst areas of the world for Covid recently. The sentence re no easing and then the next sentence about the drop from 200 referrals to 60 are associated by the journalist, not the doctor, so maybe sloppy editing. I would say that GP has felt like they have experienced a fairly freaky onslaught. I would not do his job for all the money in the world, to be honest. Or anyone's in a hospital.

    The old person in the porch is a scary tale - aerosol and fomite transmission may have to be acknowledged instead of being skirted around for economic reasons. If someone is delivering groceries maybe don't go in at all, chat from completely outside, maybe do wipe things down for them. I know my mother will absolutely not have people inside her porch.

    The doctors in Rathkeale and Clones are also in really bad blackspots. There have been times when 50% of their referrals recently were positive. No wonder they are speaking out when asked and telling people to be careful, that they have seen very serious cases, that people should wear their masks properly and don't wear dirty gloves.

    Read it again. It is an account from 4 GPs in extremely hard hit areas. That is what it is framed as and that is what it is. The last GP says things are turning. But there is nothing wrong with them telling the truth about what it has been like for them in black spots.

    On the other hand, it is depressing. I decided against sharing it with my children because I did not want to make them feel worried. Does not mean it is not real.


  • #5878
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Thats the most worrying article I have read in a long time. I do wonder if it was unduly so, did she only use the worrying quotes from GPs? If we went to be tested every time someone in my house had those symptoms since lockdown started we would have at least 3 or 4 tests a week.

    Same here, I've had sinusitis for over two months.


  • #5879
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    How does the increase in hospitalisations and ICU compare to last few days, is it stabilising somewhat?
    Increase in Covid cases in hospital/in ICU in January 2021.

    1st +54/+9
    2nd +89/+6
    3rd +123/+9
    4th +38/+7
    5th +103/+3
    6th +104/+13
    7th +99/+7
    8th +138/+12
    9th +139/+13
    10th +146/+7
    11th +121/+16
    12th +66/+15
    13th +47/+16
    14th +52/-3
    15th +15/+14


  • #5880
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    majcos wrote: »
    Increase in Covid cases in hospital/in ICU in January 2021.

    1st +54/+9
    2nd +89/+6
    3rd +123/+9
    4th +38/+7
    5th +103/+3
    6th +104/+13
    7th +99/+7
    8th +138/+12
    9th +139/+13
    10th +146/+7
    11th +121/+16
    12th +66/+15
    13th +47/+16
    14th +52/-3
    15th +67/+14

    The last 4 days are particularly encouraging vs the previous 4 days.


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  • #5881
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    The main issue I have with that article is it didn't even consider the possibility that these new symptoms could be a combination of the general sinus issues that a lot of people in this country get in winter, combined with asymptomatic covid. I'm not trying to say that's definitely the case, but it seems strange that it doesn't seem to be considered as a possibility. Obviously this is anecdotal, but I get vague nose and throat symptoms most winters. I went to my GP about it, he said it's very common in the area and suspects it's dampness related. Lumping common symptoms like that with an illness that we know presents asymptomatically in a lot of people seems like jumping to conclusions in my eyes.

    The general message that people need to be more careful is spot on though. I know that's unpalatable for a lot of people but the fact of the matter is this thing is spreading like crazy at the moment and there are a lot of vulnerable people out there.


    I will take your opinion on board, given that you are a Doctor, Jimbob ;)


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