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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6392
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    prunudo wrote: »
    ....and schools is any ones guess.

    I'd be going for Feb 22nd for schools.


  • #6393
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    ZX7R wrote: »
    If you pay the subscription to to the times and read the full article witch the tweeter does not appear to be the case or not bodder been honest with the full facts.
    It's a proposal to be brought up and only related to people flying from Brazil

    I'd hope it is considered before it is implemented. otherwise it would be ill considered.


    https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1350726342489337857?s=20

    Here's a none paywalled article.

    But Downing Street believes the biggest threat to opening up is the growing number of mutant viruses around the world — some of which might be immune to the three vaccines Britain has bought.

    Last week officials were ordered to study New Zealand’s policy of “directed isolation”, where everyone arriving is charged for a stay at an airport hotel and forced to remain in isolation for two weeks.

    In Australia it is between 14 and 24 days, with travellers charged between £1,500 and £2,500. The UK government is only considering a system where visitors pay the costs themselves.

    Civil servants will also examine how to emulate a scheme in Poland, where those told to isolate are subject to “enhanced monitoring”. Each person is contacted once a day and told to send a photograph of themselves at the location where they are confined. These are cross-referenced using GPS data and facial-recognition software. Those who fail to comply within 20 minutes receive a visit from police.

    It is understood that ministers discussed both ideas at a meeting on Thursday. A senior government source said that, if used, this technology would be confined to new arrivals in the UK, not those told to self-isolate who are already here.

    The plans go further than changes announced last week that require everyone coming to the UK to produce a negative Covid test. “Air corridors”, which allowed some people to come in more easily, were scrapped.

    Cabinet sources said Matt Hancock, the health secretary, floated a moratorium on all international travel for a month, to stop new variants in their tracks, but faced resistance from Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, on the grounds it would cripple trade.

    https://papernewsnetwork.com/all-arrivals-to-uk-face-hotel-quarantine-to-stop-new-covid-strains-ukpolitics/


  • #6394
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    I'd be going for Feb 22nd for schools.

    I'd say Norma will want to open on the 1st but don't think that will be happening.
    On a side note, how are you and the family doing now, feeling better?


  • #6395
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Just something to cheer you all up Jim, all this bad news not good for you.

    Sure:rolleyes:


  • #6396
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    prunudo wrote: »
    On a side note, how are you and the family doing now, feeling better?

    All good, thanks for asking! We all finished our isolation last Monday.

    None of our symptoms (all four of us) were 'classic' Covid symptoms that would automatically trigger a Covid test....no temperatures or coughs! GP just sent us for testing because I have asthma.

    I spoke to a number of people last week (....on the phone....) who said they felt a bit under the weather, a few aches and pains, etc., but, as they did not have a temperature, it couldn't be Covid!

    Our symptoms and from what I hear from others would make me worry that Covid is much more rampant than testing is showing up at the moment!


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  • #6397
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,085 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    prunudo wrote: »
    I'd say Norma will want to open on the 1st but don't think that will be happening.
    On a side note, how are you and the family doing now, feeling better?

    I dont think Norma has any say at this point. The teachers unions will decide.


  • #6398
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,088 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    How’s everyone’s weekend?

    Hard to beat a day in the bay.

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    Hi mandrake,looks great!
    How are Australia handling the virus?
    Are they still quarantining international travellers for 2 weeks at their own expense in hotels?
    What about local outbreaks? Do they totally lock down areas that have an outbreak?
    I heard a story about 3 Irish girls out having coffee in a lockdown area where the limits on groups were max 2 people. Police gave them each a fine of 150 AUD.
    Seems to be no messing about with enforcement there which in turn keeps numbers down which in turn allows more amenities/services to be open?
    If that’s the case I really wish we’d try that here especially now the uk government seem to be looking at this.


  • #6399
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    All good, thanks for asking! We all finished our isolation last Monday.

    None of our symptoms (all four of us) were 'classic' Covid symptoms that would automatically trigger a Covid test....no temperatures or coughs! GP just sent us for testing because I have asthma.

    I spoke to a number of people last week (....on the phone....) who said they felt a bit under the weather, a few aches and pains, etc., but, as they did not have a temperature, it couldn't be Covid!

    Our symptoms and from what I hear from others would make me worry that Covid is much more rampant than testing is showing up at the moment!

    Thats good to hear and despite the numbers its still great that the majority can get over it.
    I remember reading your post last week and the lack of classic symptoms in positive cases is intriguing, makes you wonder were we sitting on a time bomb of cases in the weeks leading up to Christmas without knowing it.
    Could also explain numbers saying stubbornly around the 3k mark even though we're not testing all close contacts yet. Although not sure if the blanket nursing home testing would be coming into play yet in daily numbers.


  • #6400
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    pjohnson wrote: »
    I dont think Norma has any say at this point. The teachers unions will decide.

    Dead right, what she says in media interviews doesn't reflect the the reality of what happened or will happen.


  • #6401
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    prunudo wrote: »
    Thats good to hear and despite the numbers its still great that the majority can get over it.
    I remember reading your post last week and the lack of classic symptoms in positive cases is intriguing, makes you wonder were we sitting on a time bomb of cases in the weeks leading up to Christmas without knowing it.
    Could also explain numbers saying stubbornly around the 3k mark even though we're not testing all close contacts yet. Although not sure if the blanket nursing home testing would be coming into play yet in daily numbers.

    What would worry me is that hospital/ICU figures may remain stubbornly high.

    People rocking up to hospital, after becoming sick/having breathing difficulties, not knowing they have Covid until they arrive at the hospital door.


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  • #6402
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    What would worry me is that hospital/ICU figures may remain stubbornly high.

    People rocking up to hospital, after becoming sick/having breathing difficulties, not knowing they have Covid until they arrive at the hospital door.

    Might explain some of the 'acquired' in hospital cases too. Going by one of the earlier posts its not as clear cut as the 50% figure that was reported during the week.


  • #6403
    Hubertj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    prunudo wrote: »
    Dead right, what she says in media interviews doesn't reflect the the reality of what happened or will happen.

    I think public health experts are the only people that make a call on when schools reopen. Unions muppets are not public health experts. TD muppets are not public health experts.


  • #6404
    accensi0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Our symptoms and from what I hear from others would make me worry that Covid is much more rampant than testing is showing up at the moment!

    Hopefully, that would be a good thing.


  • #6405
    Littleredcar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Littleredcar


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Out driving earlier I was struck by two separate big groups hanging around outside coffee shops drinking coffee and socialising. All ages really from 10-70.

    My teens friends two separate groups were allowed by parents to get buses into Dublin City centre to go get ice creams And waffles . It makes my blood boil .what part of that is an essential journey


  • #6406
    Hubertj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I'd hope it is considered before it is implemented. otherwise it would be ill considered.


    https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1350726342489337857?s=20

    Here's a none paywalled article.




    https://papernewsnetwork.com/all-arrivals-to-uk-face-hotel-quarantine-to-stop-new-covid-strains-ukpolitics/

    I don’t think it is right to detain people for 2 weeks. My aunt had to do it recently returning to Australia and said it was a very traumatic experience. Must be a more sustainable way to monitor.


  • #6407
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Hubertj wrote: »
    I don’t think it is right to detain people for 2 weeks. My aunt had to do it recently returning to Australia and said it was a very traumatic experience. Must be a more sustainable way to monitor.

    There isn’t. We know at this stage that people can’t be trusted to self isolate. People should only be flying now in the most extreme emergency anyway.


  • #6408
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,085 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Hubertj wrote: »
    I don’t think it is right to detain people for 2 weeks. My aunt had to do it recently returning to Australia and said it was a very traumatic experience. Must be a more sustainable way to monitor.

    Nope a large proportion of people simply cant be trusted.

    Sucks for those who are trustworthy but they just have to suffer because of the selfish gits.


  • #6409
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Hubertj wrote: »
    I don’t think it is right to detain people for 2 weeks. My aunt had to do it recently returning to Australia and said it was a very traumatic experience. Must be a more sustainable way to monitor.

    Then again a young relative of mine in early 20s had to do 2 weeks quarantine entering a Far East country and they said they read loads, did lots of work outs and practised meditation. Was totally relaxed and chilled about it. A lot of stuff in life is about attitude, the story we tell ourselves and resilience.


  • #6410
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd be more than happy to do two weeks in a hotel in order to get from a country with lockdowns to get into a Covid-free country.


  • #6411
    Purple Papillon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Purple Papillon


    hopgirl wrote: »
    The main area for high infection rate is Belmullet. The area would have a high emigration so many families returned home for the Christmas from the UK and other countries. Instead of quarantine like they are meant to, they went socialising, met up with family members and friend. Which would have caused a ripple effect on this community.

    Theres a club attached to a hotel in belmullet. The hotel opened the club on new year's eve and there was a big new years eve party. That's why belmullet is hit hard.


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  • #6412
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Hi mandrake,looks great!
    How are Australia handling the virus?
    Are they still quarantining international travellers for 2 weeks at their own expense in hotels?
    What about local outbreaks? Do they totally lock down areas that have an outbreak?
    I heard a story about 3 Irish girls out having coffee in a lockdown area where the limits on groups were max 2 people. Police gave them each a fine of 150 AUD.
    Seems to be no messing about with enforcement there which in turn keeps numbers down which in turn allows more amenities/services to be open?
    If that’s the case I really wish we’d try that here especially now the uk government seem to be looking at this.

    Yeah fairly normal here in Sydney anyway everything is open, there were restrictions on certain areas like Northern Beaches for 3 weeks but they have been lifted. Most cafes, Pubs and restaurants have 1 person 4m2 of indoor space and 1 person per 2m2 outdoor. We all wearing masks indoor public place like shops etc unless eating. Outdoor is fine.

    Most people do the right thing, cops will fine you for sure but they will usually give a warning unless your really dumb but even members of the public will pull people up when they not doing the right thing.

    You have to quarantine at your own cost originally the government paid for it but now travellers are made to pay themselves, the government advised all Australians to return home last year or they might face difficulty, due to public pressure the government had to reduce the intake by 50% until they start vaccinating airport and quarantine workers next month. There was just too many infected people coming in and that’s just not acceptable.

    Hopefully when majority is vaccinated in September might see some international travel, most people here are not that fussed on that this year just happy they have some sort of normality at home.


  • #6413
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd be more than happy to do two weeks in a hotel in order to get from a country with lockdowns to get into a Covid-free country.

    Who pays for it though, is it you or the government.


  • #6414
    Purple Papillon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Purple Papillon


    User142 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1350567645419024384

    UK to bring in Australia type Quarantine hotels. I imagine we will follow suit and maybe finally have something that looks all Ireland (all CTA?) approach to international travel

    This is good and knowing Ireland we will probably follow in the same footsteps. Its sickening to see this now. Its months too late. The time to introduce this in Ireland was last summer when cases were low and in the single digits. Proper quarantine for arrivals would have caught many covid cases before they trickled down into communities. If it was introduced last summer maybe the need for these depressive winter lockdowns would have been avoided.


  • #6415
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Hubertj wrote: »
    I don’t think it is right to detain people for 2 weeks. My aunt had to do it recently returning to Australia and said it was a very traumatic experience. Must be a more sustainable way to monitor.

    What scale of trauma? People are dying so the balance is discomfort for some vs hospitalisations or deaths for others.


  • #6416
    Hubertj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    jackboy wrote: »
    There isn’t. We know at this stage that people can’t be trusted to self isolate. People should only be flying now in the most extreme emergency anyway.

    You’re probably correct but it still isn’t something I agree with.


  • #6417
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,085 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Who pays for it though, is it you or the government.

    Is it you or the government travelling?


  • #6418
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Who pays for it though, is it you or the government.

    In NZ initially the gov paid for it, but now people who travel pay for it. And rightly so.


  • #6419
    pottokblue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭pottokblue


    I dont think COVID 19 is a major danger to Australia unlike the climate change crisis expanding desert, bushfires....


  • #6420
    pauly58
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭pauly58


    If we had done the same as NZ & Australia months ago , we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. I see the UK are talking about it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9155859/Hotel-quarantines-proposed-UK-arrivals-check-travellers-properly-isolating.html#reader-comments

    44,000 people coming here into airports at Christmas & who knows how many from the UK coming in through the ports was utter madness.


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  • #6421
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Purple Papillon wrote: »
    Theres a club attached to a hotel in belmullet. The hotel opened the club on new year's eve and there was a big new years eve party. That's why belmullet is hit hard.

    They broke Government regulations.


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