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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6362
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No. You are purposely blaming health care workers for the ride in cases. Just to fit your "agenda". The reason that cases are higher in health care workers is because we actually have to deal directly.with covid positive patients who present to hospital but yet again, this is our fault for caring for people.

    Continue hurling from the ditch. You are digging your own grave. Maybe you should retreat to your echo chamber ;)

    I’m blaming nobody.

    I’m asking for reasons behind 50% of cases in hospital being hospital acquired cases.

    After all, the purpose of mitigation measures is to prevent hospitals becoming overwhelmed at a cost of upward’s of €24 billion.

    To determine the cause of 1 single hospital case is worthwhile, to determine the cause of 50% of those cases is worth about 12 billion.

    Time for answers


  • #6363
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I’m blaming nobody.

    I’m asking for reasons behind 50% of cases in hospital being hospital acquired cases.

    After all, the purpose of mitigation measures is to prevent hospitals becoming overwhelmed at a cost of upward’s of €24 billion.

    To determine the cause of 1 single hospital case is worthwhile, to determine the cause of 50% of those cases is worth about 12 billion.

    Time for answers

    Where is this €24 billion figure coming from?


  • #6364
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Where is this €24 billion figure coming from?

    It’s the borrowing level to implement Covid mitigation measures since March in Ireland.


  • #6365
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    It’s the borrowing level to implement Covid mitigation measures since March in Ireland.

    Well that doesn't scale as you think.
    If there was zero hospital acquired covid, we would still have locked down.
    You can't just take a figure of 24bil and then take the total hospitalized cases ~7800 and pump out a figure of 3mil per patient.


  • #6366
    hopgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭hopgirl


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    How is Mayo so high?

    The main area for high infection rate is Belmullet. The area would have a high emigration so many families returned home for the Christmas from the UK and other countries. Instead of quarantine like they are meant to, they went socialising, met up with family members and friend. Which would have caused a ripple effect on this community.


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  • #6367
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    hopgirl wrote: »
    The main area for high infection rate is Belmullet. The area would have a high emigration so many families returned home for the Christmas from the UK and other countries. Instead of quarantine like they are meant to, they went socialising, met up with family members and friend. Which would have caused a ripple effect on this community.

    That's the same for towns in a lot of counties though.


  • #6368
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Well that doesn't scale as you think.
    If there was zero hospital acquired covid, we would still have locked down.
    You can't just take a figure of 24bil and then take the total hospitalized cases ~7800 and pump out a figure of 3mil per patient.

    You’re theory only makes sense if there is no living with Covid roadmap.

    Either all or nothing. Someone somewhere decided hospital figures was the metric to use.

    However, only half the current cases in hospital are caused by those who caught the disease outside hospital.


  • #6369
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    You’re theory only makes sense if there is no living with Covid roadmap.

    Either all or nothing. Someone somewhere decided hospital figures was the metric to use.

    However, only half the current cases in hospital are caused by those who caught the disease outside hospital.

    You know full well hospital figures are just one metric to use.

    It's not all HCW's infecting patients and as has been posted here, if you're infected in the community on a Monday and break your leg Friday and are admitted to hospital and test positive Saturday that's classed as a covid patient in hospital, but not a covid admission.

    The hospital figures need to be taken with a lot of thought.
    The headline figure we all see is not what we all think it is.
    All we know for certain is, there's ~1800 people in hospital tonight that are covid positive.
    That's people presenting to hospital suffering from covid symptoms
    People in hospital for separate issues who later test positive (after contracting it withing the community)
    People in hospital who contract covid within the hospital (as in after ~5-7 days of admission) classed as nosocomial


  • #6370
    Carlowgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Carlowgirl


    The close contact guidelines in the UK are very different to Ireland. In UK its up to one minute within a metre of someone without having face to face contact and there are other differences. I don't understand if it's the same virus why is the criteria different? Are Irish people more immune to covid than British?


  • #6371
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    You know full well hospital figures are just one metric to use.

    It's not all HCW's infecting patients and as has been posted here, if you're infected in the community on a Monday and break your leg Friday and are admitted to hospital and test positive Saturday that's classed as a covid patient in hospital, but not a covid admission.

    The hospital figures need to be taken with a lot of thought.
    The headline figure we all see is not what we all think it is.
    All we know for certain is, there's ~1800 people in hospital tonight that are covid positive.
    That's people presenting to hospital suffering from covid symptoms
    People in hospital for separate issues who later test positive (after contracting it withing the community)
    People in hospital who contract covid within the hospital (as in after ~5-7 days of admission) classed as nosocomial

    Addressing your 1st point, what other metrics can be used apart from hospital admissions?

    No one suggested it was HCWs infesting patient’s?

    What we know for certain is that after tens of thousands since December, community transmissions are accountable for 50% of cases in hospital.

    It’s worth investigating and implementing policies to prevent future

    I don’t think taking the defensive path is worthwhile in preventing cases transmitted in hospital


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  • #6372
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Carlowgirl wrote: »
    The close contact guidelines in the UK are very different to Ireland. In UK its up to one minute within a metre of someone without having face to face contact and there are other differences. I don't understand if it's the same virus why is the criteria different? Are Irish people more immune to covid than British?

    We go by social distancing guidelines, so 2m for more than 15mins.
    Do the UK not go by the same?
    You can go nitty bitty and start defining 1.5m at x time, 1m at y time, 0.5m at z time etc...
    Then add a variable if it's outdoors, indoors, indoors but good ventilation etc... it's just too much to calculate, so we go with 2m and 15mins.
    Do the Uk vary with the 2m/15min rule compared to us?


  • #6373
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Addressing your 1st point, what other metrics can be used apart from hospital admissions?
    Deaths... that's a no brainer. If this disease was not fatal, things would be much much different.
    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    What we know for certain is that after tens of thousands since December, community transmissions are accountable for 50% of cases in hospital.
    I don't understand that statement, you're missing an at least or at most to make a point.
    What we know for certain is roughly half the cases per day in hospital are community transmission cases (admitted for covid symptons and testing positive). A patient testing positive in hospital who isn't counted as a covid admission could spend 2 weeks in hospital while a true covid admission could be admitted and discharged sooner. We don't know if the daily discharged figure only relates to the covid admissions and not the patient who tested positive while on a ward. It's all speculation until we get some badly needed transparency.


  • #6374
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,300 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    How are people still around other people without 2 metre distancing for more than 15 minutes, are they bloody thick or something? Care homes and healthcare excluded.


  • #6375
    cefh17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭cefh17


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    How are people still around other people without 2 metre distancing for more than 15 minutes, are they bloody thick or something? Care homes and healthcare excluded.

    I had to call the guards this evening because of a house party going on above me, not the first one that's happened in the last couple of months. Guards rock up and just ask them to keep the noise down when the person that answered the door said it was just a birthday party amongst housemates.

    Still going on over 2 hours later and after ignoring me knocking the first time (heard loud shushes and someone checking to see if the guards were back) they answered a second time. Apologies oh we'll keep it down. Taxi rocks up ten mins later and a few head off.

    Simple answer is sadly some people think the rules don't apply... :mad:


  • #6376
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Your don’t appear to have anything to back up your fictional claims previously it seems.

    Must be hard to be exposed I’m sure

    Hardly exposed. I stand by what I said, chief. Maybe if you could have a pint in a pub, you'd calm down ;)


  • #6377
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I’m blaming nobody.

    I’m asking for reasons behind 50% of cases in hospital being hospital acquired cases.

    After all, the purpose of mitigation measures is to prevent hospitals becoming overwhelmed at a cost of upward’s of €24 billion.

    To determine the cause of 1 single hospital case is worthwhile, to determine the cause of 50% of those cases is worth about 12 billion.

    Time for answers

    Wait. So you are suggesting that 50% of all covid cases in Ireland have been acquired in hospital. This is some delusional mental arithmetic. Have a think over your calculations.


  • #6378
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Wait. So you are suggesting that 50% of all covid cases in Ireland have been acquired in hospital. This is some delusional mental arithmetic. Have a think over your calculations.

    Though.. at one stage 53% of cases were healthcare workers


    " More than half of recent COVID cases are healthcare workers, according to INMO analysis of the last ten days of available data.
     
    Of the 88 new reported cases between 13-22 June (the latest figures available), 47 (53%) were among healthcare workers. " 
     

    https://www.inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13597


  • #6379
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Though.. at one stage 53% of cases were healthcare workers


    " More than half of recent COVID cases are healthcare workers, according to INMO analysis of the last ten days of available data.
     
    Of the 88 new reported cases between 13-22 June (the latest figures available), 47 (53%) were among healthcare workers. " 
     

    https://www.inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13597
    A press release from June? Didn't have robust enough testing structures in place. I still don't understand why people feel like blaming health care workers who are on the whole grossly underpaid and overstressed.


  • #6380
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    With reports UK is planning quarantine hotels they are likely factoring in the recent news out of Brazil. A city thought to have had 76% of people infected is undergoing a second wave that is worse. Coincidentally there is a new variant their which has been shown to evade antibodies in some people.

    Ironically the high levels of antibodies likely allowed the virus to evolve around them.

    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1349801906420371456?s=20


  • #6381
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    A press release from June?…….

    It's like pulling teeth at times

    Health care workers are riddled as was seen

    Which couldn't by any stretch of the imagination help this reduce this sort of thing :

    " There have been 219 confirmed cases of patients acquiring Covid-19 inside acute hospitals in the four weeks up to December 13th


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/more-than-200-patients-infected-with-covid-19-in-hospital-in-four-weeks-1.4443325 "


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  • #6382
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    He posted that an hour ago and yet there is nothing on the Times website nor any breaking news online about it at all. Find it difficult to believe given that the mandatory PCR tests are only coming on Monday and there has not even been a whisper about this as a possibility. It’ll take a while to introduce as freight by truck will need to be organised appropriately and by the time they’ve done that then most vulnerable people will be vaccinated

    Just looks like kite flying to me

    except it is. tweet of a link of article in the times.

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1350656508959350784?s=20


  • #6383
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    except it is. tweet of a link of article in the times.

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1350656508959350784?s=20

    If you pay the subscription to to the times and read the full article witch the tweeter does not appear to be the case or not bodder been honest with the full facts.
    It's a proposal to be brought up and only related to people flying from Brazil


  • #6384
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    How’s everyone’s weekend?

    Hard to beat a day in the bay.

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  • #6385
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Looks fab Mandrake, where is that?


  • #6386
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    pc7 wrote: »
    Looks fab Mandrake, where is that?

    It's DelusionaLand. :)


  • #6387
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    pc7 wrote: »
    Looks fab Mandrake, where is that?

    Ettalong on NSW central coast, my in-laws live there.


  • #6388
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    pc7 wrote: »
    Looks fab Mandrake, where is that?

    Australia. What it has to do with Covid in Ireland is another matter.


  • #6389
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    landofthetree wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1350570301541724163

    https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1350570706279477258

    Just going back to this sindo post from last night. Again the word lockdown being used in headlines by media to push sales and clicks.
    We will not be under the current level of restrictions for another 3 months. They will ease things slowly hopefully from early feb but realistically probably not till after mid term. Like last spring, outdoor workers first, then maybe click and collect retail, followed by hairdressing and opening retail properly.
    Hospitality will still be closed beyond Easter though and schools is any ones guess.


  • #6390
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Wait. So you are suggesting that 50% of all covid cases in Ireland have been acquired in hospital. This is some delusional mental arithmetic. Have a think over your calculations.

    Not all Covid cases, hospital cases. I mean I can totally imagine that is true without looking at the stats. It must be nigh on impossible to halt the spread in hospitals: high human density, loads of movement and plenty of lowered immune systems. It's a viruses dream, surely? I presume that hospital designs will be changed by this pandemic experience. There will need to be a rethink of how infectious diseases are contained.


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  • #6391
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Australia. What it has to do with Covid in Ireland is another matter.

    Just something to cheer you all up Jim, all this bad news not good for you.


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