Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

boardise · 16-01-2021 11:21PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It was a terrible message , look at us best in Europe . Now have a ball and we will deal with it in January

Look how that turned out

That's not the message I heard.
Nphet and government were constantly urging caution and retaining the long standing safe practices when meeting. The numbers that emerged were way beyond even the most pessimistic expert projections. This shows that too many cavalierly ignored the guidelines plus there was also the appearance of a more infectious strain at the worst possible time.
People were given a chance to be disciplined and responsible and too many blatantly blew it. The evidence has been witnessed and logged.

Jim_Hodge · 16-01-2021 11:24PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It was a terrible message , look at us best in Europe . Now have a ball and we will deal with it in January

Look how that turned out

If you heard that then it's what you wanted to hear. I heard no such thing.

Goldengirl · 16-01-2021 11:25PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

As of first week of January, 7310 people have been hospitalised with COVID. It seems the actual number of people hospitalised because of COVID is about 2900- 3650 if we account for the number of people who acquired it in hospital which is 40-50% of COVID hospital patients.
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Report_%20Week%201_%20Slidset_HPSC%20-%20Website.pdf

I have no doubt world population is increasing despite COVID but I doubt that worldometers ticker is reflective of. Is it not just a gimmick, based on average statistics globally of the number of deaths/births that occur most years

Where are you getting the information that that percentage is actually nosocomial / hospital acquired infection .
Colm Henry has stated that up to 50% of Covid in hospital are patients that have tested positive in hospital , OR acquired it in hospital .
Clusters in hospital among those that test positive on day 3 to 6 are traced to see if they are connected to any patient contact or staff members , or any family contacts or in the community .
This is to ensure tyatallclusters are tracked and traced to prevent anyfurtherissuesif indeed ahospitalacquired infection.
Those that test positive before that , up to day 2 , are acquired in the community .

Noone is denying that there are some hospital acquired infections , but the true number would be somewhere between 20 and 25% of those patients , and it complicates both their illness and their recovery .
That is why they are still hospitalised .
They still require nursing care and a Covid bed in hospital.

Unless you know for a fact that those numbers are truly all hospital acquired ?

Stheno · 16-01-2021 11:27PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Where are you getting the information that that percentage is actually nosocomial / hospital acquired infection .
Colm Henry has stated that up to 50% of Covid in hospital are patients that have tested positive in hospital , OR acquired it in hospital .
Clusters in hospital among those that test positive on day 3 to 6 are traced to see if they are connected to any patient contact or staff members , or any family contacts or in the community .
This is to ensure tyatallclusters are tracked and traced to prevent anyfurtherissuesif indeed ahospitalacquired infection.
Those that test positive before that , up to day 2 , are acquired in the community .

Noone is denying that there are some hospital acquired infections , but the true number would be somewhere between 20 and 25% of those patients , and it complicates both their illness and their recovery .
That is why they are still hospitalised .
They still require nursing care and a Covid bed in hospital.

Unless you know for a fact that those numbers are truly all hospital acquired ?

To be fair it should be classed as hospital identified infection imo

iamwhoiam · 16-01-2021 11:30PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

If you heard that then it's what you wanted to hear. I heard no such thing.

Either did I . But many did . I never said I heard it , I said many heard what they wanted to hear

I personally had Christmas dinner with two others and saw no one else at all at any stage . I don’t need any guidance but many do

Goldengirl · 16-01-2021 11:32PM

Stheno wrote: »

To be fair it should be classed as hospital identified infection imo

It needs to be clarified, fullstop

DebDynamite · 16-01-2021 11:33PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

They will get paid through social welfare like everyone who tests positive and has to isolate.

Stop spreading misinformation.

So you don’t think it’s careless of a nursing home, whose staff are looking after the some of most vulnerable people in society, not to pay their staff sick leave if they test positive for Covid, or having to isolate? Do you think it’s wise to have a policy in place for the duration of the pandemic which encourages staff to not get tested for fear of not getting paid, even though they could infect elderly and vulnerable patients? What’s in it then for staff to show up for testing if they may not get paid for two weeks should they test positive but be asymptomatic?

landofthetree · 16-01-2021 11:33PM

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1350570301541724163

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1350570706279477258

niallo27 · 16-01-2021 11:38PM

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1350570301541724163

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1350570706279477258

Even our government is not stupid enough not to reopen construction next month although in fairness most construction is probably still open classifying themselves as essential.

Real Donald Trump · 16-01-2021 11:39PM

^^^ Depressing stuff

Stheno · 16-01-2021 11:43PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

It needs to be clarified, fullstop

It does to be fair

I'm no fan of the HSE bit the amount of hospital identified infections is about 1 one percent of daily cases at the moment so its almost irrelevant

niallo27 · 16-01-2021 11:43PM

April is 16 weeks of level 5, are they for ****en real. People will freak out or they mean back to level 3 before that.

16-01-2021 11:44PM

Will they get compliance through to April? That's longer than the original lockdown

niallo27 · 16-01-2021 11:44PM

Stheno wrote: »

It does to be fair

I'm no fan of the HSE bit the amount of hospital identified infections is about 1 one percent of daily cases at the moment so its almost irrelevant

Yes but there are classified as hospital cases which is why we are locked down.

Kunta Kinte · 16-01-2021 11:45PM

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

^^^ Depressing stuff

I don`t know why anyone should be particularly surprised by this. This has been well flagged by the government ever since the current restrictions were announced.

Stheno · 16-01-2021 11:45PM

niallo27 wrote: »

April is 16 weeks of level 5, are they for ****en real. People will freak out or they mean back to level 3 before that.

Same as last March tbh

Hopefully the last of the worst restrictions as we come out with the most vulnerable vaccinated

It sucks tbh, Germany are saying the same

Turtwig · 16-01-2021 11:45PM

AdamD wrote: »

Will they get compliance through to April? That's longer than the original lockdown

If places are shut. Spread will be self limited.

Psychedelic Hedgehog · 16-01-2021 11:45PM

While the lockdown isn't going to be over anytime soon, the Indo's a rag, so I wouldn't be worrying unduly over any speculation they publish.

Stheno · 16-01-2021 11:47PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes but there are classified as hospital cases which is why we are locked down.

We are in level five because a sizeable minority went bananas over Christmas tbh

Kunta Kinte · 16-01-2021 11:47PM

niallo27 wrote: »

April is 16 weeks of level 5, are they for ****en real. People will freak out or they mean back to level 3 before that.

No.The level we are at now.

MerlinSouthDub · 16-01-2021 11:48PM

It's better to have one, last, long lockdown rather than open, close, open, close etc etc. People could buy into that plan, I think.

niallo27 · 16-01-2021 11:52PM

Stheno wrote: »

We are in level five because a sizeable minority went bananas over Christmas tbh

Do you not think its important to know the amount of people who went to hospital because of covid or went to hospital for other reasons and got covid there. We really need to move on from the Christmas thing, it's done, we need to move on, constantly saying I told you so is doing nobody any favours.

stephenjmcd · 16-01-2021 11:52PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

It's better to have one, last, long lockdown rather than open, close, open, close etc etc. People could buy into that plan, I think.

The hold firm message will be long worn out by April if we're going that long.

Sure we'll see anyway

Funsterdelux · 16-01-2021 11:54PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

It's better to have one, last, long lockdown rather than open, close, open, close etc etc. People could buy into that plan, I think.

Everyone loves a long hard one

Jim_Hodge · 16-01-2021 11:55PM

niallo27 wrote: »

April is 16 weeks of level 5, are they for ****en real. People will freak out or they mean back to level 3 before that.

It's a bummer alright but if it has to be done it has to be done. Some may freak out, most won't.

Stheno · 16-01-2021 11:55PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Do you not think its important to know the amount of people who went to hospital because of covid or went to hospital for other reasons and got covid there. We really need to move on from the Christmas thing, it's done, we need to move on, constantly saying I told you so is doing nobody any favours.

There were about 32 hospital identified infections today

There were over 3000 positive infections

Do the math

niallo27 · 16-01-2021 11:57PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

It's a bummer alright but if it has to be done it has to be done. Some may freak out, most won't.

In 8 to 10 weeks or numbers will be as low as they can go I think. Keeping non essential retail closed until April would be bonkers. Buisneses will never open again.

User142 · 16-01-2021 11:59PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1350567645419024384

UK to bring in Australia type Quarantine hotels. I imagine we will follow suit and maybe finally have something that looks all Ireland (all CTA?) approach to international travel

mirrorwall14 · 16-01-2021 11:59PM

April? **** thats loooooong. I get that vaccines are coming and hopefully some normality but Jesus it’s not even half way through January.

Stheno · 16-01-2021 11:59PM

niallo27 wrote: »

In 8 to 10 weeks or numbers will be as low as they can go I think. Keeping non essential retail closed until April would be bonkers. Buisneses will never open again.

Its likely we will have a very phased reopening

Tbh we probably need it

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