General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

CSF · 15-01-2021 07:35PM

adaminho wrote: »

This is the problem with stats! Anyone can pull out a stat and say X player is the best! I would say the best two players in the league right now are Salah and KDB. I would say that as both have a record in the league going back a few years. The form players this year are Bruno, Salah and Kdb and Kane!

I never understand when people put Salah in here, given how selfish he is on the ball. Makes him a great fantasy football player, but his attacking teammates must despise him.

I would have Salah in my fantasy football team much quicker as a manager, but I’d have Mane in my actual football team much quicker.

~Rebel~ · 15-01-2021 07:41PM

CSF wrote: »

I never understand when people put Salah in here, given how selfish he is on the ball. Makes him a great fantasy football player, but his attacking teammates must despise him.

I would have Salah in my fantasy football team much quicker as a manager, but I’d have Mane in my actual football team much quicker.

He can be selfish at times on the ball. But he's also hugely selfless without it. Constantly making runs for other players to give them passing options, or open up space, and tracks back and pressures all over the pitch constantly. He covers an awful lot of ground... last season only Trent, Robertson, Gini, and Bobby covered more.

Salah's an absolute monster of a player, and is actively influencing the game for the whole 90 minutes.
Mane's awesome too... they're different players, but I'd have Salah just ahead of him.

CSF · 15-01-2021 07:46PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

He can be selfish at times on the ball. But he's also hugely selfless without it. Constantly making runs for other players to give them passing options, or open up space, and tracks back and pressures all over the pitch constantly.

Salah's an absolute monster of a player, and is actively influencing the game for the whole 90 minutes.

I’m not saying he isn’t good. I think pretty much every player mentioned in this conversation is a very good player. But I would have Mane quicker, and I suspect in a few months we might be talking about Thiago as Liverpool’s best player. He is so good.

~Rebel~ · 15-01-2021 07:52PM

CSF wrote: »

I’m not saying he isn’t good. I think pretty much every player mentioned in this conversation is a very good player. But I would have Mane quicker, and I suspect in a few months we might be talking about Thiago as Liverpool’s best player. He is so good.

That's fair enough.. I'd still have Salah just ahead of Mane, but just pointing out why Salah's teammates don't dispise him. Because he works tirelessly for them. Tends to rack up the most assists of our forwards too.

adaminho · 15-01-2021 07:53PM

CSF wrote: »

I never understand when people put Salah in here, given how selfish he is on the ball. Makes him a great fantasy football player, but his attacking teammates must despise him.

I would have Salah in my fantasy football team much quicker as a manager, but I’d have Mane in my actual football team much quicker.

But this is what I'm talking about? You're judging Salah on one metric but Mane on another?

CSF · 15-01-2021 07:57PM

adaminho wrote: »

But this is what I'm talking about? You're judging Salah on one metric but Mane on another?

The metric I’m judging them both on is how good I think they are at football. I think that when goals and assists gets thrown around in these kinds of conversations (unless you can do what Ronaldo and Messi did) you’re probably falling further away from a good conversation.

JPA · 15-01-2021 08:02PM

CSF wrote: »

It’s more stats in terms of carries into the box that you’d be looking at for that position.

Sounds like you need some stats.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/villa-jack-grealish-messi-mbappe-19606611

Grealish has more carries into the penalty box than Messi, Mbappe and Tottenham.

CSF · 15-01-2021 08:07PM

JPA wrote: »

Sounds like you need some stats.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/villa-jack-grealish-messi-mbappe-19606611

Grealish has more carries into the penalty box than Messi, Mbappe and Tottenham.

Haha, I’d actually seen that, but felt that I couldn’t post it for fear of a hundred ‘look how many goals Bruno has’ responses.

I’d only referenced ball carrying as it is Bruno’s biggest weakness IMO.

adaminho · 15-01-2021 08:07PM

CSF wrote: »

The metric I’m judging them both on is how good I think they are at football. I think that when goals and assists gets thrown around in these kinds of conversations (unless you can do what Ronaldo and Messi did) you’re probably falling further away from a good conversation.

Yeah, you're probably right! We'll never agree on who we think as best.

tom1ie · 15-01-2021 08:10PM

Liam O wrote: »

Be hard for Bruno to win a golden boot playing in midfield in Portugal and Spain.

His team have the most points in the league since he joined if that helps. A team he is the defacto leader of.

Unsure what defensive qualities you can measure.

Look, I love Kane as a player.he is the best striker in the league and probably second to Lewandowski in Europe as a pure striker. This is not the hill to die on. You don't win manager of the month because you made some great substitutions and your tactics looked good. You get it for winning games. Players winning games is their number 1 objective. United are on the crest of a wave now off Bruno's back and have a hype machine in full drive. Same as earlier in the season it was all Son and Kane. These things go in cycles.

Yea beat striker in the league with the highest amount of assists. I think that aspect of his game is getting overlooked here.
I know it’s hard to measure his defensive contribution but it is noticeable during the games.

tom1ie · 15-01-2021 08:11PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I bet your have Kane PJs on and bedcovers and curtains in your bedroom.

Kane top class when he's injured.!!

Lol! Sorry I meant his overall contribution was top quality even in the season he was injured for a prolonged period!!
Haven’t got the curtains just yet lol!!!!

tom1ie · 15-01-2021 08:13PM

adaminho wrote: »

This is the problem with stats! Anyone can pull out a stat and say X player is the best! I would say the best two players in the league right now are Salah and KDB. I would say that as both have a record in the league going back a few years. The form players this year are Bruno, Salah and Kdb and Kane!

And Kane’s record going back is overlooked?

CSF · 15-01-2021 08:19PM

adaminho wrote: »

Yeah, you're probably right! We'll never agree on who we think as best.

Part of the fun I guess, and we will have a completely different one next year!!!

adaminho · 15-01-2021 08:26PM

tom1ie wrote: »

And Kane’s record going back is overlooked?

Its not overlooked! Is your argument that Kane's goal scoring and assist record is better than anyone else? There are plenty of players up for player of the year!

tom1ie · 15-01-2021 08:36PM

adaminho wrote: »

Its not overlooked! Is your argument that Kane's goal scoring and assist record is better than anyone else? There are plenty of players up for player of the year!

My argument is Kane is the best player in the league.

adaminho · 15-01-2021 09:02PM

tom1ie wrote: »

My argument is Kane is the best player in the league.

And that's your argument but you haven't put a case forward for it? Are you saying this season? 3 Years? Don't get me wrong he's up there but I'd have Salah, KDB, Bruno and Mane and maybe even Son ahead of him!

15-01-2021 09:06PM

Kanes loyalty to Spurs with no silverware is admirable. However, I think Spurs need to win something this season, or he'll be off to pick up trophies elsewhere. City the obvious choice.

retalivity · 16-01-2021 11:01AM

“The gloves are off now and we will do it my way, We were absolutely frigging hopeless the other night; we were absolutely ****e. Unfortunately that’s happened a little too often in my 18 months here; it was nowhere near good enough for the challenge ahead. Maybe it’s a mentality thing.”

Bruce throwing his players under the bus...this will end well

Panrich · 16-01-2021 11:21AM

retalivity wrote: »

Bruve throwing his players under the bus...this will end well

I’ve seen this movie before with Bruce and it’s safe to say that it never gets better. He’s a dinosaur.

theoneeyedman · 16-01-2021 12:37PM

Funny to see Sam interviewed on Football Focus about players celebrating after scoring..... Hasn't been an issue at West Brom since he's taken over anyway....

kowloonkev · 16-01-2021 01:12PM

retalivity wrote: »

Bruve throwing his players under the bus...this will end well

I don't get how this is throwing players under the bus. He doesn't mention any names and says 'we' all the time including himself in it and says 'I'm' going to have to improve.

CSF · 16-01-2021 01:27PM

kowloonkev wrote: »

I don't get how this is throwing players under the bus. He doesn't mention any names and says 'we' all the time including himself in it and says 'I'm' going to have to improve.

'The gloves are off now and we will do it my way'

This would be the sentence that would lead me to believe he was throwing the players under the bus and kind of trying to distance himself from it.

Although I largely believe this also, because this is what he used to do at Villa when things got bad too.

ShamoBuc · 16-01-2021 01:42PM

Some flip flop game at Wolves

kowloonkev · 16-01-2021 01:48PM

CSF wrote: »

'The gloves are off now and we will do it my way'

This would be the sentence that would lead me to believe he was throwing the players under the bus and kind of trying to distance himself from it.

Although I largely believe this also, because this is what he used to do at Villa when things got bad too.

Fair enough.

As much as I want Bruce to do well I actually don't think he's a good manager at this level. It's hard to defend his record and hard to understand why he would get a job in the PL.

Ardent · 16-01-2021 02:32PM

Big Sam doing his thing

theoneeyedman · 16-01-2021 03:20PM

Nice goal for Brighton there, but Leeds weak defensively again, knife through hot butter springs to mind.

JPA · 16-01-2021 03:21PM

Ardent wrote: »

Big Sam doing his thing

Winning 3-2 is not his thing, but maybe the start of something.

Mushy · 16-01-2021 03:24PM

Ardent wrote: »

Big Sam doing his thing

1 win with 4 losses...not the best thing to have right now

Mushy · 16-01-2021 03:25PM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Nice goal for Brighton there, but Leeds weak defensively again, knife through hot butter springs to mind.

Topped off by some top notch ball watching

El Gato De Negocios · 16-01-2021 03:28PM

Mushy wrote: »

1 win with 4 losses...not the best thing to have right now

Yer forgetting the point against Liverpool.

1 win, 1 draw and 3 losses is his league return thus far.

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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