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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #5252
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Mobility data is a concern, seems to be a higher percentage of people not adhering to retrictions


  • #5253
    DrSpongeBobz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭DrSpongeBobz


    Is the 5km limit anyway effective, any stats on that? Done it what 3 or 4 times now? Curfew would be better imo.


  • #5254
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    fits wrote: »
    I was really surprised last week to be in very close contact with a hcw wearing just a surgical mask. It seems mad. Her face was inches from mine at times. ( I had an ffp3 on). In a dentists they’re wearing full PPE


    they are still rationing the good masks for the people working in the covid wards or other things where you get large doses of covid. Dentists are one of the most at risk professions and world wide far far far too many dentists and nose and throat doctors have died, both young and old (obviously one would be too many, but you get my meaning)


  • #5255
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    DrSpongeBobz wrote: »
    Is the 5km limit anyway effective, any stats on that? Done it what 3 or 4 times now? Curfew would be better imo.


    i don't understand either of those rules, but i understand curfew less. 5km stops it spreading from areas of high concentration to low concentration


    curfew? does it spread more at night? (sorry for being dense)


  • #5256
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    DrSpongeBobz wrote: »
    Is the 5km limit anyway effective, any stats on that? Done it what 3 or 4 times now? Curfew would be better imo.

    CSO has data here on it based on phone traffic:

    https://www.cso.ie/en/csolatestnews/pressreleases/2021pressreleases/pressstatementcovid-19insightseriesmobilityduringthepandemicuptotheweekending31december2020/


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  • #5257
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Hospital lab staff going on strike?

    (presser)


  • #5258
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    They use several different models for estimating R, including models based on hospital admissions, ICU admissions and deaths.




    That's true. One would have to assume that they take into account any regime shift or phase transition in the models.


  • #5259
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    If we are in level 5+ and it's still not below zero, what the flip are we going to do? What's left to close to keep space in the hospitals? I guess better enforcement is all that's left

    It's too high to level it off right and maintain this level, thousands of cases a day. That means active cases are still going straight up

    Better enforcement is at last happening, as reported by RTE, 3 people from Meath who went 80 Km to Dublin for take away burgers were fined for doing so. Long overdue, if there'd been more active enforcement earlier, some of the more extreme issues we're now seeing might have been avoided, it worked for Australia, and hopefully will work here too.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #5260
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    If we are in level 5+ and it's still not below zero, what the flip are we going to do? What's left to close to keep space in the hospitals? I guess better enforcement is all that's left

    It's too high to level it off right and maintain this level, thousands of cases a day. That means active cases are still going straight up


    One of the metrics is positivity rate and this is decreasing .


  • #5261
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    This journalist is really pushing for answers on Hospital acquired infections.


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  • #5262
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    Better enforcement is at last happening, as reported by RTE, 3 people from Meath who went 80 Km to Dublin for take away burgers were fined for doing so. Long overdue, if there'd been more active enforcement earlier, some of the more extreme issues we're now seeing might have been avoided, it worked for Australia, and hopefully will work here too.

    I'm dying to know which takeaway it was, seriously.

    Also i can definitely think of a few takeaway meals that would be worth the 100 euro fine* but absolutely not worth putting anyone's health at risk for

    let alone the pure disrespect for health care workers it involves. Even if you could somehow be 100% sure it was safe, it's just so disrespectful to people who are risking or losing their lives to flaunt the rules for a burger


    (*craving greasy chips right now)


  • #5263
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    If we are in level 5+ and it's still not below zero, what the flip are we going to do? What's left to close to keep space in the hospitals? I guess better enforcement is all that's left

    It's too high to level it off right and maintain this level, thousands of cases a day. That means active cases are still going straight up

    Their modelling always lags reality a little bit. The data they use is typically a few days old as they need to assign the correct epidemiological date to the raw data (i.e. date when symptoms started). I wouldn't be worrying too much about the R rate they quoted today. What really matters is that case numbers fall and hospital admissions falls.


  • #5264
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Anybody else baffled and shocked by this??
    Miike wrote: »
    I knew the number was high but I didn't think it would be 50%. Fúck me alive!
    normanoffside wrote: »
    This journalist is really pushing for answers on Hospital acquired infections.

    HSE said earlier that 50% of infections in hospitals are acquired in hospital


  • #5265
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    normanoffside wrote: »
    This journalist is really pushing for answers on Hospital acquired infections.

    Good journalist, more of this please.


  • #5266
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    That's true. One would have to assume that they take into account any regime shift or phase transition in the models.

    No, they do not. The models do not make any assumptions about the potential impact of restrictions, if that it what you mean.


  • #5267
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Stheno wrote: »
    HSE said earlier that 50% of infections in hospitals are acquired in hospital

    :eek:

    Liam Woods (who is HSE afaik) just now said he didn't have the data to hand).

    Just mentioned that approx 1/3 of deaths acquired it in hospital


  • #5268
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Dr. Glynn explaining that the "backlog cleared" thing last week happened, because there was a delay of reporting in the West - they thought the backlog was clear when it still had some cases from the West.

    ---

    The last journalist had some great questions, who was that? Couldn't hear her name.


  • #5269
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Dr. Glynn explaining that the "backlog cleared" thing last week happened, because there was a delay of reporting in the West - they thought the backlog was clear when it still had some cases from the West.

    As i suspected the reason for the high Galway numbers the other day?


  • #5270
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭prunudo


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Mobility data is a concern, seems to be a higher percentage of people not adhering to retrictions

    There are still a lot of people who are allowed work at present.
    As for curfews, the people that aren't adhering to guidelines won't adhere to curfews either.


  • #5271
    DrSpongeBobz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭DrSpongeBobz


    Another god awful year ahead. Lord have Mercy.


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  • #5272
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Good journalist, more of this please.


    It was said earlier HSE briefing ,as good journo should know , oneworld think.


  • #5273
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Polar101 wrote: »

    The last journalist had some great questions, who was that? Couldn't hear her name.

    I wonder was it Sarah Carey?
    She interacts a lot with that guy Conor on Twitter


  • #5274
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭Polar101


    normanoffside wrote: »
    As i suspected the reason for the high Galway numbers the other day?

    Yes, he said that was the reason for high Galway and Mayo numbers.


  • #5275
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Dr. Glynn explaining that the "backlog cleared" thing last week happened, because there was a delay of reporting in the West - they thought the backlog was clear when it still had some cases from the West.


    So, when they said the backlog was cleared, the backlog wasn't actually cleared at all? Dr Glynn should start reading this thread (or go to Shane Hastings' website), it would give him more accurate data than the HSPC....


  • #5276
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    It was said earlier HSE briefing ,as good journo should know , oneworld think.

    Surprising Liam woods didn't have the figures then.

    I know a certain number is unavoidable due to incubation period etc, but could it not seriously be looked at to keep covid and non covid patients separate- like I mean seriously unwell non-covid patients be moved to Covid free hospitals?

    Ronan Glynn said that 1/3 of deaths are people who acquired it in Hospital, seems very unfair of a seriously ill patient to acquire Covid in Hospital and die as a result.


  • #5277
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    normanoffside wrote: »
    :eek:

    Liam Woods (who is HSE afaik) just now said he didn't have the data to hand).

    Just mentioned that approx 1/3 of deaths acquired it in hospital


    Well what did you expect ?

    Sickest most infectious patients in hospital , and many procedures requiring movement and necessitating removal of facemasks from patients .

    Healthcare staff getting sick both in work but unfortunately close contacts in a community setting also.

    Are you trying to blame somebody , when we are seeing posts here saying that there should be no blame associated with infections ?:)
    If you are come out and say it ...


  • #5278
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Well what did you expect ?

    Sickest most infectious patients in hospital , and many procedures requiring movement and necessitating removal of facemasks from patients .

    Healthcare staff getting sick both in work but unfortunately close contacts in a community setting also.

    Are you trying to blame somebody , when we are seeing posts here saying that there should be no blame associated with infections ?:)
    If you are come out and say it ...

    I am absolutely not blaming health care staff or patients.

    Just I keep asking because surely there is something that could be done or decided in the higher levels to mitigate.
    More testing (antigen +PCR?), Covid free Hospitals for vulnerable inpatients (I know impossible but maybe some covid only hospitals would be an idea?)

    Just surely there is some strategy that could be taken to help this?


  • #5279
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,374 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Denotifications on the up again, 42 today.


  • #5280
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    normanoffside wrote: »
    I am absolutely not blaming health care staff or patients.

    Just I keep asking because surely there is something that could be done or decided in the higher levels to mitigate.
    More testing (antigen +PCR?), Covid free Hospitals for vulnerable inpatients (I know impossible but maybe some covid only hospitals would be an idea?)

    Just surely there is some strategy that could be taken to help this?


    "covid only hospitals" is the type of thing you could have if you had three times the capacity that you do. When you have two hospitals that are 99% full it's impossible to completely change the function of one on the fly

    e.g. we'd end up with one hospital at 150% capacity and the other one at 50% capacity instead of 2 at 100% capacity

    Edit: the plan is to move the non-Covid patients to private hospitals where possible, so yeah, that's an example of increasing total capacity in order to do your idea, but they can't do it till they have those private beds


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  • #5281
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Surprising Liam woods didn't have the figures then.

    I know a certain number is unavoidable due to incubation period etc, but could it not seriously be looked at to keep covid and non covid patients separate- like I mean seriously unwell non-covid patients be moved to Covid free hospitals?

    Ronan Glynn said that 1/3 of deaths are people who acquired it in Hospital, seems very unfair of a seriously ill patient to acquire Covid in Hospital and die as a result.


    Absolutely .

    Hence the necessity to keep case numbers low and community transmission down .

    I have said before research has shown that if a patient contracts this and requires surgery they are 15% more likely of a bad outcome or death .

    It is hard to say definitively if people who have tested positive in hospital had the infection but tested negative / not detected before they come in or got it in hospital .

    Clusters are traced and that data should be made available I agree.

    It is just jumping on a bandwagon though saying " oh look, they got it in hospital" , and not thinking beyond that .


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