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Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭storker


    actions should have consequences. letting Trump off helps nobody.

    It's funny how the Republicans are so keen on the idea of actions having consequences, and the punishment fitting the crime, until...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,280 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    storker wrote: »
    It's funny how the Republicans are so keen on the idea of actions having consequences, and the punishment fitting the crime, until...

    it is almost like the are hypo... no, no, that couldn't be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    briany wrote: »
    If we want to pursue this line of reasoning to its conclusion then you can never prosecute an outgoing president like Trump, with the following he has, no matter what he did because it's just too politically volatile.

    Do we want the lesson to be that if you can cultivate a cult of personality then you are de facto untouchable? Because if that's the lesson, I'm sure there are those taking notes.

    If he hadn't instigated the putsch of Jan 6th, I'd be inclined to agree that it isn't worth prosecuting him if agrees to go and live quietly, but I think he really crossed a line, and we know he crossed a line because all but the most ardent wingnuts cannot defend what he and his followers did. I think if you don't draw that line then others will come along who'll just keep pushing and pushing and pushing.

    I'll keep saying it: after Hitler's failed coup, they sentenced him to 5 years in their upscale caste of prison (Festungshaft - you'll need to translate the page: "fortress detention was considered an honorable punishment. It could be imposed on officers and members of the higher, educated classes."). He served 9 months, wrote the most infamous manifesto in history while doing so, and the German people thought he would just **** off to the Austrian countryside to live out the rest of his days quietly. The rest is blood-soaked history.

    hitler-tamed-by-prison.png1.jpg?w=970
    Are we really this dumb that we would repeat the same mistakes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,833 ✭✭✭joe40


    There was a discussion earlier about a possible book by Trump when this is all over. I was just thinking what section would bookshops stock the book. Would it be under biographies or politics or perhaps the fiction section would be most appropriate. Maybe some might keep it in the fantasy section..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    A senate trial for the impeachment will be very interesting. Lots of witnesses to show how Trump fermented and instigated the insurrection, but what is going to be produced in his defence?

    I think it would be in McConnell's interest to see Trump convicted of it as it will be a lesson for Republicans that they stand to lose everything in the future if they encourage a candidate that encourages the far-right spectrum of their supporters.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    joe40 wrote: »
    There was a discussion earlier about a possible book by Trump when this is all over. I was just thinking what section would bookshops stock the book. Would it be under biographies or politics or perhaps the fiction section would be most appropriate. Maybe some might keep it in the fantasy section..

    Keep it next to Mein Kampf.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    A senate trial for the impeachment will be very interesting. Lots of witnesses to show how Trump fermented and instigated the insurrection, but what is going to be produced in his defence?

    That's right, there will actually be a trial this time. The GOP doesn't have the votes to block witnesses again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭yagan


    It's like the whole moving statues thing again. No one could say "you're all imagining it" without being labelled anti church/catholic/faith etc.. yet you'd be hard pressed to find anyone except religious certifables who'd admit they saw anything. Everyone else moved on.

    It will be the same with Trump. MAGA hats will disappear into attics and closets just the same as the German guns the UVF imported in 1914.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    This is pretty damning, if true. Per Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol#Capitol_breach

    TRUMP'S CONDUCT DURING THE RIOT
    Trump, who had spent previous weeks promoting the "Save America" rally,[234] was "initially pleased" when his supporters breached the Capitol and refused to intercede,[235] but also "expressed disgust on aesthetic grounds" over the "low class" appearance of the supporters involved in the rioting.[236] Senator Ben Sasse (R-NE) said that senior White House officials told him that Trump was "delighted" to hear that rioters were entering the Capitol.[237] Staffers reported that Trump had been "impossible to talk to throughout the day," and that his inability to deal with his election loss and displeasure that his supporters were unsuccessful in overturning the result by force had, according to one staffer, made Trump "out of his mind."[238] Concerned that Trump may have committed treason through his actions, White House Counsel Pat Cipollone reportedly advised administration officials to avoid contact with Trump and ignore any illegal orders that could further incite the storming to limit their prosecutorial liability under the Sedition Act of 1918.[239]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,280 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    briany wrote: »
    This is pretty damning, if true. Per Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol#Capitol_breach

    TRUMP'S CONDUCT DURING THE RIOT

    that was mentioned earlier in the thread. His opinion of the MAGA supporters is no secret.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    briany wrote: »
    This is pretty damning, if true. Per Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol#Capitol_breach

    TRUMP'S CONDUCT DURING THE RIOT

    Wikipedia. Great source dude.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Wikipedia. Great source dude.

    You're free to click on the citations in the article that take you to the source material. There's plenty there.


  • Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Wikipedia. Great source dude.

    Wikipedia isn't the source. The cited sources are the source.

    Let me know if you need more help with this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,408 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston




  • Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    J. Marston wrote: »

    The impeachment part comes after the House votes in favour of it. The Democrats are the majority in the House and Biden is a member of the Democrats.

    So, no, Biden won't be impeached.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,280 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    J. Marston wrote: »

    LOL. she can file all the impeachment charges she wants. wont make a damn bit of difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    J. Marston wrote: »

    You can hear the collective groan from Republicans who have crutched their whole anti-impeachment offence on 'democrats trying to impeach the president from day one'


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The impeachment part comes after the House votes in favour of it. The Democrats are the majority in the House and Biden is a member of the Democrats.

    So, no, Biden won't be impeached.

    There won't even be a vote - It has to get out of Nadlers committee first.

    He won't even take up the request to review it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Abuse of power is an interesting thing to base it on considering he isn't in power yet.

    Her mentioning of Ukrainian energy companies seems to link back to the accusation of Biden using his stroke as VP to get his son a cushy job. I'm not sure how impeaching a man for what he's been accused of doing in a previous term of political office works, but OK...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal



    Never heard of forensicnews.net and neither even has the media bias websites.

    The only notable paper I see peddling this story is... Russian Times. And parroted by The American Conservative, The National Pulse, and Red State, which are all pro-Trump blogs with specious reputation. The actual RT piece is not compelling, either, it just reblogs some incredibly thin allegations from twitter users. In fact most of the story is framed around the audacity of Lincoln Project getting its schadenfreude in about the election and their plans to primary Republicans who supported #StopTheSteal, saying the quiet part out loud that this is a reactionary hit job from the Kremlin.

    Gonna give this one a hard pass unless an actual paper picks it up, or a prosecutor does.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,686 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    J. Marston wrote: »

    Her and that gun toting conspiracy theorist from Colorado are awful people. The Republicans would do well to primary them for the 2022 elections and get them out. They are both pure poison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Cross-posting to stingiest thing you've seen stingy people do

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1349766994560630784?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,200 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Her and that gun toting conspiracy theorist from Colorado are awful people. The Republicans would do well to primary them for the 2022 elections and get them out. They are both pure poison.

    This is a popular conservative commentator.

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer?s=20

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    If ever a Twitter profile screamed low esteem, this is it!

    I would bet that he and people like him wish they had more Taylor-Greenes, Boeberts, Jordans, Gaetz's and the likes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,480 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    MFF, A bail fund mired in controversy promoted by Kamala Harris that helped bail out several accused and convicted criminals, is refusing to share the records of the individuals it helped spring from jail in the midst of last year's violent and deadly BLM-led riots in Minnesota.

    A tweet from the Kamel's mouth:
    Harris.jpg
    hjkbk
    Minnesota nonprofit with $35M bails out those accused of violent crimes:

    Among those bailed out by the Minnesota Freedom Fund (MFF) is a suspect who shot at police, a woman accused of killing a friend, and a twice-convicted sex offender, according to court records reviewed by the FOX 9 Investigators.
      According to attempted murder charges, Jaleel Stallings shot at members of a SWAT Team during the riots in May. Police recovered a modified pistol that looks like an AK-47. MFF paid $75,000 in cash to get Stallings out of jail. Darnika Floyd is charged with second-degree murder, for stabbing a friend to death. MFF paid $100,000 cash for her release. Christopher Boswell, a twice-convicted rapist, is currently charged with kidnapping, assault, and sexual assault in two separate cases. MFF paid $350,00 [sic] in cash for his release.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/03/kamala-harris-tweeted-support-bail-fund-money-didnt-just-assist-protestors/

    Kamala Harris and her friends in the corporate media, otherwise known as the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party, will continue to pretend that this never happened. This has a wiff of The Dirlewanger Brigade.

    But Capitol..........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    MFF, A bail fund mired in controversy promoted by Kamala Harris that helped bail out several accused and convicted criminals, is refusing to share the records of the individuals it helped spring from jail in the midst of last year's violent and deadly BLM-led riots in Minnesota.

    A tweet from the Kamel's mouth:

    [/LIST]

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/03/kamala-harris-tweeted-support-bail-fund-money-didnt-just-assist-protestors/

    Kamala Harris and her friends in the corporate media, otherwise known as the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party, will continue to pretend that this never happened. A wife if The Dirlewanger Brigade off this.

    But Capitol..........

    The MFF posts bail for pretty much anyone. That's the point of opposing cash bail. Illinois just became the 3rd state to eliminate cash bail a year ago. CA voted in down in November on Prop 25.

    Reaching really far to accuse Harris of conspiring to specifically bail the worst of the worst.



    A tweet from the Kamel's mouth

    Utterly despicable of you.


  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They voted to impeach Trump now they are scared his cult followers may try to kill them.

    https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1349747027438153734?s=20

    Would say that they might be more worried about some of their party colleagues than the public


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,200 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    MFF, A bail fund mired in controversy promoted by Kamala Harris that helped bail out several accused and convicted criminals, is refusing to share the records of the individuals it helped spring from jail in the midst of last year's violent and deadly BLM-led riots in Minnesota.

    Leaving aside that this is not even a developed story yet, has a judge banned her from operating charities in future?
    No, it's your idol that that happened to.

    Have reported your post for the ignorance contained in it but I want you to know I'm loving how much Trumps downfall is hurting you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    MFF, A bail fund mired in controversy promoted by Kamala Harris that helped bail out several accused and convicted criminals, is refusing to share the records of the individuals it helped spring from jail in the midst of last year's violent and deadly BLM-led riots in Minnesota.

    A tweet from the Kamel's mouth:
    Harris.jpg
    hjkbk

    [/LIST]

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/03/kamala-harris-tweeted-support-bail-fund-money-didnt-just-assist-protestors/

    Kamala Harris and her friends in the corporate media, otherwise known as the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party, will continue to pretend that this never happened. This has a wiff of The Dirlewanger Brigade.

    But Capitol..........

    Your article is six months old. Any progress?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Anyone miss him off twitter?
    Weirdly, I don't.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Anyone miss him off twitter?
    Weirdly, I don't.

    Miss who?


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