Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

seamus · 14-01-2021 09:53AM

francois wrote: »

His stilted, scripted address last night suggests the Trump crime family have been telling him to stfu and stop the division, as they see their business empire crumbling in a hail of boycotts and lawsuits.
Too late for a damascene conversion though.

He has no access now to a platform that will allow him to ramble on. He can try use the White House channel as his personal YouTube, but I expect with 6 days to go most staff are suddenly emboldened (read: not afraid of being fired) and will refuse to do what he wants or be conveniently unavailable. Twitter and social media gave him access to post whatever he wanted without interference.

Calling press conferences or releasing videos on the WH channel doesn't allow that.

I expect in the next few days we'll get some bizarre scenario where he releases a "personal" video ranting about the impeachment that's relayed via LiveLeak or RT.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 14-01-2021 10:21AM

Probably best to drop the Lincoln Project..

https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1349544576671838209?s=19

Timberrrrrrrr · 14-01-2021 10:23AM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Probably best to drop the Lincoln Project..

https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1349544576671838209?s=19

Who should drop the Lincoln project?

14-01-2021 10:27AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Who should drop the Lincoln project?

Abraham Lincoln.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 14-01-2021 10:31AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Who should drop the Lincoln project?

I only came across them here when their tweets were being shared..

everlast75 · 14-01-2021 10:32AM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Probably best to drop the Lincoln Project..

https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1349544576671838209?s=19

Scott is a great reporter and I expect he has vetted this story before publishing it.

Anyone, Democrat, Republican or ex Republican should feel the full weight of the law if they are guilty of what is alleged here.

I expect the Lincoln project will take whatever steps are appropriate pending any investigation by law enforcement.

Gregor Samsa · 14-01-2021 10:32AM

nolivesmatter wrote: »

I don't understand why someone as selfish as him is motivated to pardon anyone.

The majority of his pardons to date have been Republican politicians, advisors, donors or activists who were convicted of various fraud or obstruction of justice offences. They're part of a pattern that aim to show that Republicans, and by extension himself, are unjustly targeted for political purposes by an ideologically hostile and corrupt justice system. It's part of his tactic of self preservation, where he constantly claims that any accusation against him is part of a wider "deep state" conspiracy against true conservatives.

Mellor · 14-01-2021 10:36AM

duploelabs wrote: »

That said, the level of legal expertise portrayed by Rudy puts him in the 'no win no fee' lawyer. If my solicitor alleged that there was fraud but then couldn't produce any in court, I'd consider what fee should be paid

He follows his clients instruction. If Trump wanted to cry fraud, what’s Rudy supposed to do if no evidence exists? He’s a lawyer not a magician.

Trump has turned him into a political spin doctor and spoofer and he’s best know as mayor of NYC. But prior to politics, his legal career was the complete opposite of this shambles.

ohnonotgmail · 14-01-2021 10:39AM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

The majority of his pardons to date have been Republican politicians, advisors, donors or activists who were convicted of various fraud or obstruction of justice offences. They're part of a pattern that aim to show that Republicans, and by extension himself, are unjustly targeted for political purposes by an ideologically hostile and corrupt justice system. It's part of his tactic of self preservation, where he constantly claims that any accusation against him is part of a wider "deep state" conspiracy against true conservatives.

to be fair some of those he pardoned/commuted were working on donalds behalf. It was self-preservation on trumps part.

robinph · 14-01-2021 10:49AM

So in Trumps video last night he's using the No True Scotsman defence several times to claim that he had nothing to do with inciting the mob to go and smash up the Capitol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

ohnonotgmail · 14-01-2021 10:56AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Well yeh Trump is not a true scotsman :P

yeah he is only half scottish.

yagan · 14-01-2021 11:19AM

I haven't seen any reaction yet from his faithful to his denouncement of their patriotic storming of the capital. I guess the net literally tightening makes it harder but I'd imagine there's a lot of confused racists out there in the Trump heartlands wondering if the flyboy from NY has shafted them.

Trump may yet be in most danger from his most vociferous followers.

Stark · 14-01-2021 11:21AM

They'll probably just tell themselves he was coerced.

sydthebeat · 14-01-2021 11:22AM

yagan wrote: »

I haven't seen any reaction yet from his faithful to his denouncement of their patriotic storming of the capital. I guess the net literally tightening makes it harder but I'd imagine there's a lot of confused racists out there in the Trump heartlands wondering if the flyboy from NY has shafted them.

Trump may yet be in most danger from his most vociferous followers.

one poor guy took his own life

14-01-2021 11:22AM

robinph wrote: »

So in Trumps video last night he's using the No True Scotsman defence several times to claim that he had nothing to do with inciting the mob to go and smash up the Capitol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

I just read that and watched the video. In true Donny fashion, it wasn't even cryptic at all. He literally says "No true supporter of mine would ever endorse violence". Hilarious.

Christy42 · 14-01-2021 11:24AM

yagan wrote: »

I haven't seen any reaction yet from his faithful to his denouncement of their patriotic storming of the capital. I guess the net literally tightening makes it harder but I'd imagine there's a lot of confused racists out there in the Trump heartlands wondering if the flyboy from NY has shafted them.

Trump may yet be in most danger from his most vociferous followers.

Sure isn't he being forced into this by all the betrayals and even Julius fell when betrayed by all those around him.

The Donald knows all and one must never doubt the Donald. For he is the greatest and should be called Daddy and be hyper sexualised by men who are also extremely homophobic at the same time. It is a confusing cult though I guess most are.

And anyway all violence was driven by Antifa never mind that they were openly planning this and dreaming of the day the "ammo box" would be the way to fix this and they could drop "commies" from helicopters. This did not break thou shalt not kill religious rules cos commies are not people.

jill_valentine · 14-01-2021 11:27AM

Some of the guys he pardoned -

fellow platoon members told of a ruthless leader who stabbed the [injured and sedated teenage] captive to death for no reason then forced his troops to pose for a photograph with the corpse

navy detectives laid out other allegations against Gallagher, including shooting a schoolgirl and elderly man from a sniper’s roost

- were at best just to Own The Libs and delight racists, but at worst intended to signal what he considers acceptable action on his behalf; that there will be no long consequences, it's fine.

He described the man above as a "great warrior" "against the deep state".

yagan · 14-01-2021 11:28AM

Stark wrote: »

They'll probably just tell themselves he was coerced.

His whole slock has always been to never back down. Even after the insurrection he still told them he loved them.

Last nights message was a complete disowning of them motivated no doubt by his concern for his business interests.

Regardless of their ardour his words must still wound. There was a quote about the problem with the establishment was they took him seriously but not literally, whereas his supporters took him literally but not seriously.

yagan · 14-01-2021 11:37AM

Christy42 wrote: »

And anyway all violence was driven by Antifa never mind that they were openly planning this and dreaming of the day the "ammo box" would be the way to fix this and they could drop "commies" from helicopters. This did not break thou shalt not kill religious rules cos commies are not people.

The thing while he'll never concede defeat and blame everyone else, he is now also alienating the followers who went the whole distance by his urging.

It is the most cutting of betrayals to be lined up the same as antifa.

In one week Donny has told his insurrectionists that they're good people and that he loves them but now they're not patriots and are actually enemies of the nation.

Donny's priority now is to protect his brand and to do that he has to turn on those he most inspired. I can't see forbearance from his loyalists for his betrayal lasting long.

robinph · 14-01-2021 11:48AM

yagan wrote: »

Donny's priority now is to protect his brand and to do that he has to turn on those he most inspired. I can't see forbearance from his loyalists for his betrayal lasting long.

But now he's turning on his very last remaining potential customers/ funders. They also have guns and experience at rioting whilst wearing silly racoon outfits.

He can't win whatever he does.

Leroy42 · 14-01-2021 12:10PM

Trump has sold out his base at nearly every opportunity, it never makes them rethink their support.

He was going to lock HC up, but then just forgot about it. He was going to drain the swamp, but then never bothered.

He gave massive tax cuts to the elites, completely against what he had promised.

There is nothing he could do to alienate them, because he really is the only option they have. And they have invested too much into it at this stage.

So this video will be glossed over. They will ignore the vast majority of what he said and pick up on a few key phrases. He didn't say they were wrong, he didn't tell them that Biden was the real POTUS from 20th. He only said that the violence was wrong. So everything up to that is perfectly fine, perfectly acceptable. They are right to believe the vote was stoeln. They are right to believe that Biden is a communist. They are right to believe that Deep State is out to get them.

robinph · 14-01-2021 12:17PM

Until this point though any failings by Trump hasn't been specifically blamed on his supporters. They weren't blamed for the lack of Hillary Clinton being locked up, or the building of the wall, or making Mexico pay or the lack of the new health care plan.

This time it is actually their fault, presumably for not loving him enough.

yagan · 14-01-2021 12:23PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Trump has sold out his base at nearly every opportunity, it never makes them rethink their support.

He was going to lock HC up, but then just forgot about it. He was going to drain the swamp, but then never bothered.

He gave massive tax cuts to the elites, completely against what he had promised.

There is nothing he could do to alienate them, because he really is the only option they have. And they have invested too much into it at this stage.

So this video will be glossed over. They will ignore the vast majority of what he said and pick up on a few key phrases. He didn't say they were wrong, he didn't tell them that Biden was the real POTUS from 20th. He only said that the violence was wrong. So everything up to that is perfectly fine, perfectly acceptable. They are right to believe the vote was stoeln. They are right to believe that Biden is a communist. They are right to believe that Deep State is out to get them.

That was all fine when it was shíts and giggles for Donald, but now the mob he created have the feds taking names, banging on doors and applying handcuffs he's telling them that he won't be in their corner. Worse, he now tells them that they're the traitors.

It's a hard thing for anyone to admit that they've been had, but it's impossible to escape the truth when you're rotting in a cell while the mob instigator walks free.

randd1 · 14-01-2021 12:35PM

yagan wrote: »

That was all fine when it was shíts and giggles for Donald, but now the mob he created have the feds taking names, banging on doors and applying handcuffs he's telling them that he won't be in their corner. Worse, he now tells them that they're the traitors.

It's a hard thing for anyone to admit that they've been had, but it's impossible to escape the truth when you're rotting in a cell while the mob instigator walks free.

They won't. They'll just devolve further into the conspiracy that the Deep State is out to get them, with their incarceration being proof the Federal Government, and in particular the Democrats, are out to get them.

Expect a huge surge in gun sales and ammunition in the next few months as the conspiracy becomes truth, and other republicans like Cruz and Hawley start trying to fill the void left by Trump by laying down even more baseless lies to his gullible supporters.

everlast75 · 14-01-2021 12:35PM

yagan wrote: »

That was all fine when it was shíts and giggles for Donald, but now the mob he created have the feds taking names, banging on doors and applying handcuffs he's telling them that he won't be in their corner. Worse, he now tells them that they're the traitors.

It's a hard thing for anyone to admit that they've been had, but it's impossible to escape the truth when you're rotting in a cell while the mob instigator walks free.

True, but how many of his supporters will end up in jail? A tiny fraction.

Meanwhile, the rest will continue to exist in echo chambers. And here's proof Trump's radicalism has truly come to america....

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1349691813695811585?s=19

TheIrishGrover · 14-01-2021 12:41PM

Hopefully, when all the stories and proofs come out over the next few years about his profiteering and the truth about all how all his friends he put in office profited from his term and all the corruption comes out he will drop in popularity. But the GOP have to distance themselves from him pretty damn sharpish.

I mean he is always going to have a vocal and rabid cult following but hopefully ACTUAL Republicans will start seeing him for what he is. Not a Republican, just a Trump who used the Republican party as a tool.

.... I mean, we can hope..... right?

everlast75 · 14-01-2021 12:47PM

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Hopefully, when all the stories and proofs come out over the next few years about his profiteering and the truth about all how all his friends he put in office profited from his term and all the corruption comes out he will drop in popularity. But the GOP have to distance themselves from him pretty damn sharpish.

I mean he is always going to have a vocal and rabid cult following but hopefully ACTUAL Republicans will start seeing him for what he is. Not a Republican, just a Trump who used the Republican party as a tool.

.... I mean, we can hope..... right?

it is clear that republican congress members will only do what is in their own personal interests.

They have no conscience whatsoever.

So if the numbers say support Trump, that's what they will do.

The only other consideration other than self preservation is fear of Trump and his supporters. If Trump tells them to hara-kiri, then they will do that.

With Trump neutered somewhat from social media, the second concern may not be as much of an issue. We will see.

FreudianSlippers · 14-01-2021 12:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I just read that and watched the video. In true Donny fashion, it wasn't even cryptic at all. He literally says "No true supporter of mine would ever endorse violence". Hilarious.

To give him some (probably undeserved) credit, I don't actually believe that he condones or supports violence in general. I think he's far too narcissistic to even contemplate that his words and actions would incite violence of that nature - in other words, I don't think he put any thought at all into how they'd react or what the consequences of that would be. He has utter contempt for his supporters and sees them as nothing more than a means to get what he wants.

I don't think he cares anyone died, cares they put people in danger or cares about the fallout other than how it impacts him.

Quin_Dub · 14-01-2021 12:56PM

everlast75 wrote: »

it is clear that republican congress members will only do what is in their own personal interests.

They have no conscience whatsoever.

So if the numbers say support Trump, that's what they will do.

The only other consideration other than self preservation is fear of Trump and his supporters. If Trump tells them to hara-kiri, then they will do that.

With Trump neutered somewhat from social media, the second concern may not be as much of an issue. We will see.

This encapsulates the Modern GOP in a nut-shell.

Their ONLY concern is obtaining power and keeping it.

If Trump is how they do that then they are perfectly fine with that.

If destroying American democracy is how they do that then they are perfectly fine with that.

All politicians are self-serving to some extent or other , but the GOP are a whole different breed.

What we now know with certainty is that there is absolutely nothing they will not say or do to retain power.

briany · 14-01-2021 12:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I just read that and watched the video. In true Donny fashion, it wasn't even cryptic at all. He literally says "No true supporter of mine would ever endorse violence". Hilarious.

From the man who brought you, "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you?"

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