Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

14-01-2021 01:07PM

I think that deep down we all knew that Biden could not become the next president without rioting (to some extent) and a few fatalities.

I believe it is highly probable that there will be some more violence, or worse still a shoot out between the authorities and armed Trump supporters

Hopefully I am wrong.

TheIrishGrover · 14-01-2021 01:17PM

everlast75 wrote: »

it is clear that republican congress members will only do what is in their own personal interests.

They have no conscience whatsoever.

So if the numbers say support Trump, that's what they will do.

The only other consideration other than self preservation is fear of Trump and his supporters. If Trump tells them to hara-kiri, then they will do that.

With Trump neutered somewhat from social media, the second concern may not be as much of an issue. We will see.

Well, yeah, that's what I mean. No party is going to change their opinions based on purely altruistic reasons.

That was my thought. That, as scandals start being unearthed, the GOP will distance themselves from him and what he stood for. Simply based on public perception. As the stories come out, the GOP will wish to say "This is not us. This is HIM! We are the new and improved GOP. He does not represent the GOP". I don't envy their PR/rebranding people but hey, they knew who they were getting into bed with.

ohnonotgmail · 14-01-2021 01:19PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

To give him some (probably undeserved) credit, I don't actually believe that he condones or supports violence in general. I think he's far too narcissistic to even contemplate that his words and actions would incite violence of that nature - in other words, I don't think he put any thought at all into how they'd react or what the consequences of that would be. He has utter contempt for his supporters and sees them as nothing more than a means to get what he wants.

I don't think he cares anyone died, cares they put people in danger or cares about the fallout other than how it impacts him.

you're right, you are giving him undeserved credit.

Quin_Dub · 14-01-2021 01:24PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

To give him some (probably undeserved) credit, I don't actually believe that he condones or supports violence in general. I think he's far too narcissistic to even contemplate that his words and actions would incite violence of that nature - in other words, I don't think he put any thought at all into how they'd react or what the consequences of that would be. He has utter contempt for his supporters and sees them as nothing more than a means to get what he wants.

I don't think he cares anyone died, cares they put people in danger or cares about the fallout other than how it impacts him.

That is the centre of his entire world view.

He ONLY cares about how things impact him or how they make him look.

He doesn't actually care about anyone or anything - They are "things" that make him look good or feel good , that is all.

yagan · 14-01-2021 01:29PM

2011 wrote: »

I think that deep down we all knew that Biden could not become the next president without rioting (to some extent) and a few fatalities.

I believe it is highly probable that there will be some more violence, or worse still a shoot out between the authorities and armed Trump supporters

Hopefully I am wrong.

Trumps denouncement of his insurrectionist followers may hopefully deflate some of the rage he helped create, but there's probably militant cells with plans already in motion.

Prior to last nights denouncement of his insurgents I was expecting there to be attempts to declare states for Trump by taking over capital buildings, but insurrection plans are probably already too far advanced for the most militantly motivated to back out.

briany · 14-01-2021 01:32PM

yagan wrote: »

Trumps denouncement of his insurrectionist followers may hopefully deflate some of the rage he helped create, but there's probably militant cells with plans already in motion.

It would not surprise me if there was already a conspiracy theory that, during the address, Trump was blinking in morse code to communicate his real message.

jimmycrackcorm · 14-01-2021 01:33PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

This encapsulates the Modern GOP in a nut-shell.

Their ONLY concern is obtaining power and keeping it.

If Trump is how they do that then they are perfectly fine with that.

If destroying American democracy is how they do that then they are perfectly fine with that.

All politicians are self-serving to some extent or other , but the GOP are a whole different breed.

What we now know with certainty is that there is absolutely nothing they will not say or do to retain power.

It doesn't matter to GOP voters what Trump does - he was right in saying that he could go out and shoot someone and they'd still vote for him.

threeball · 14-01-2021 01:35PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It doesn't matter to GOP voters what Trump does - he was right in saying that he could go out and shoot someone and they'd still vote for him.

He could become more popular depending on who he shot.

Foxtrol · 14-01-2021 01:38PM

everlast75 wrote: »

True, but how many of his supporters will end up in jail? A tiny fraction.

Meanwhile, the rest will continue to exist in echo chambers. And here's proof Trump's radicalism has truly come to america....

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1349691813695811585?s=19

A tiny fraction of Trump's overall vote share but despite my serious issues with the two tier US law enforcement system I'd be shocked if there were not significant numbers of those charged (over 100 and counting) that spend some time in jail. I'd be concerned if we were dealing with a Trump DOJ but Biden's will go to town on them.

1800_Ladladlad · 14-01-2021 01:39PM

IMO, in four minutes Tom McClintock (Ca) sums up the sorry state of affairs in the US at the moment and what is to come. The only honesty since the 6th. The very people who contradict such an obvious statement act in bad faith.

https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1349462585226231811

BobbyMalone · 14-01-2021 01:40PM

briany wrote: »

It would not surprise me if there was already a conspiracy theory that, during the address, Trump was blinking in morse code to communicate his real message.

It's always amusing seeing conspiracy theories develop in real-time, as they are particularly bonkers in that kind of setting.

In general what I'm seeing is that the violence in the Capitol was Antifa led (some 'patriots' were there, but misguided), while initially it was suggested that the women who was shot was a crisis actor, this was rejected by the majority when her videos came to light.

I'm also seeing that the video of Trump (I think the first one after the storming of the Capitol) was deepfake ... with his most recent videos, however, I think most of them are just going in to a sulk. A complete rejection of the Republican Party seems to be popular, which would be a particularly pleasing result, imo.

extra gravy · 14-01-2021 01:45PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

IMO, in four minutes Tom McClintock (Ca) sums up the sorry state of affairs in the US at the moment and what is to come. The only honesty since the 6th. The very people who contradict such an obvious statement act in bad faith.

https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1349462585226231811

Yeah, no thanks.

TheIrishGrover · 14-01-2021 01:55PM

BobbyMalone wrote: »

It's always amusing seeing conspiracy theories develop in real-time, as they are particularly bonkers in that kind of setting.

In general what I'm seeing is that the violence in the Capitol was Antifa led (some 'patriots' were there, but misguided), while initially it was suggested that the women who was shot was a crisis actor, this was rejected by the majority when her videos came to light.

I'm also seeing that the video of Trump (I think the first one after the storming of the Capitol) was deepfake ... with his most recent videos, however, I think most of them are just going in to a sulk. A complete rejection of the Republican Party seems to be popular, which would be a particularly pleasing result, imo.

Well, I'm not a conspiracy theorist and they are welcome to their tinfoil hats. I really cannot understand them. But his first "denouncement" address (Not the "We Love You" address) the mannerisms and tone do indeed look more like a parody than the real deal. He just looks weird. Heavily medicated I suppose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NQOy3L8urc

TheIrishGrover · 14-01-2021 01:59PM

extra gravy wrote: »

Yeah, no thanks.

You didn't miss much: "I didn't like what he said....... BUT"

What you'd expect

everlast75 · 14-01-2021 02:00PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

IMO, in four minutes Tom McClintock (Ca) sums up the sorry state of affairs in the US at the moment and what is to come. The only honesty since the 6th. The very people who contradict such an obvious statement act in bad faith.

https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1349462585226231811

Disingenuous or delusional - that's all that's remains.

Muahahaha · 14-01-2021 02:02PM

I wonder when Trumps pardon list will land, the days are running out now. One man who is desperate to be on it is rapper Lil Wayne, he endorsed Trump before the election no doubt in a quid pro quo to get a pardon. He was arrested on his private jet with a gold plated Glock, coke, heroin and amphetamines and it wasnt his first offence. His sentencing date is Jan 28th so if Trump doesnt come through for him he is looking at around 10 years in prison.

namloc1980 · 14-01-2021 02:02PM

I see the true MAGA believers online reckon Trump is still going to be inaugurated on the 20th January. They are claiming Trump is going to make an address to the world no less and all the Democrats including Joe Biden and Mike Pence will be arrested on live TV at the inauguration after which Trump will be sworn in. Batshit crazy stuff.

yagan · 14-01-2021 02:04PM

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Well, I'm not a conspiracy theorist and they are welcome to their tinfoil hats. I really cannot understand them. But his first "denouncement" address (Not the "We Love You" address) the mannerisms and tone do indeed look more like a parody than the real deal. He just looks weird. Heavily medicated I suppose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NQOy3L8urc

He's reading from a carefully drafted script sculpted to dig a ditch between him and any further violence. This isn't one of his usually unhinged diverging ramblings because this time he personally stands to lose his entire business empire.

The people he's denouncing are the very type that he wouldn't allow in Mar A Lago, so he feels zero about plunging the knife into them.

namloc1980 · 14-01-2021 02:07PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

I wonder when Trumps pardon list will land, the days are running out now. One man who is desperate to be on it is rapper Lil Wayne, he endorsed Trump before the election no doubt in a quid pro quo to get a pardon. He was arrested on his private jet with a gold plated Glock, coke, heroin and amphetamines and it wasnt his first offence. His sentencing date is Jan 28th so if Trump doesnt come through for him he is looking at around 10 years in prison.

The reports are that Trump has been told by his advisors that he can't pardon himself because it would open him to massive civil cases. As Trump only thinks of himself his attitude will likely be: if there's no pardon for me, then there's no pardon for anyone else.

gutenberg · 14-01-2021 02:08PM

Apologies if this has been posted already: Trump & Guiliani have fallen out in the past week, the Guardian (via Washington Post) reports:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out

The report says the falling out has increased the president’s sense of isolation and abandonment since the events of 6 January. And of course, it also calls into question whether Giuliani will receive a pardon.

stoneill · 14-01-2021 02:15PM

Overheal wrote: »

Trump is being a HUGE crybaby about Rudy now:

“Trump has instructed aides not to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, two officials said, and has demanded that he personally approve any reimbursements for the expenses Giuliani incurred while traveling on the president’s behalf to challenge election results in key states.

This sums up Trump.
Rudy is no use now, time to stiff him.
Same as he stiffed all those contractors and anyone else that did some work for him.
Only out for himself and no-one else matters.

Real Life · 14-01-2021 02:15PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I see the true MAGA believers online reckon Trump is still going to be inaugurated on the 20th January. They are claiming Trump is going to make an address to the world no less and all the Democrats including Joe Biden and Mike Pence will be arrested on live TV at the inauguration after which Trump will be sworn in. Batshit crazy stuff.

Crazy that these people are allowed go about their life without carers.

14-01-2021 02:17PM

If Trump is anything in his character traits, he is predictable.

I doubt he'd even be loyal to his own kids if it came to it.

briany · 14-01-2021 02:18PM

stoneill wrote: »

This sums up Trump.
Rudy is no use now, time to stiff him.
Same as he stiffed all those contractors and anyone else that did some work for him.
Only out for himself and no-one else matters.

If only Trump had a personal history chock full of this kind of behaviour so we all could have seen this coming.

Quin_Dub · 14-01-2021 02:20PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

The reports are that Trump has been told by his advisors that he can't pardon himself because it would open him to massive civil cases. As Trump only thinks of himself his attitude will likely be: if there's no pardon for me, then there's no pardon for anyone else.

That's definitely part of it , but it's also the fact that if he isn't personally pardoned any of his inner circle that get a pardon are instant witnesses in any future cases against him. If he doesn't pardon them, then they can hide behind the 5th amendment.

He'll definitely throw out a few weird ones over the next few days that's for sure.

But the chances of there being pardons for anyone named Trump, Kushner, Meadows or Guiliani are slim to none at this stage.

briany · 14-01-2021 02:21PM

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

If Trump is anything in his character traits, he is predictable.

I doubt he'd even be loyal to his own kids if it came to it.

"Eric, our private plane is going down. You're no longer my son. You're ballast."

Foxtrol · 14-01-2021 02:22PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

IMO, in four minutes Tom McClintock (Ca) sums up the sorry state of affairs in the US at the moment and what is to come. The only honesty since the 6th. The very people who contradict such an obvious statement act in bad faith.

https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1349462585226231811

Very difficult to take anyone seriously when they are wearing a mask that has written on it 'this mask is useless'.

Also, you can't get any more bad faith than trying to blame BLM for the actions of these white terrorists. Absolute nonsense to claim they weren't held accountable for their actions over the summer when you compare the treatment of those protesters by the police and the soft touch policing last week.

joseywhales · 14-01-2021 02:23PM

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

If Trump is anything in his character traits, he is predictable.

I doubt he'd even be loyal to his own kids if it came to it.

If he had the ability to steal years of his own children's life, he would.

Edit: he can do tv though, I'll give him that.

The one satisfying thing about all of this is his golden streak, he has now failed at everything he has tried to do in his life. Cant build, can't manage assets, cant be president.

Tell me how · 14-01-2021 02:23PM

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

If Trump is anything in his character traits, he is predictable.

I doubt he'd even be loyal to his own kids if it came to it.

He just torched any future political careers they might have been considering as well as putting the Trump brand name in the dirt.

There is a sense of schedenfraude about the whole thing.

Quin_Dub · 14-01-2021 02:23PM

briany wrote: »

"Eric, our private plane is going down. You're no longer my son. You're ballast."

He's definitely that character from the Action movie , the Rich Executive that uses women and children as human shields when the bad guy he paid turns against him.

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