Possible to get L1a1 or FAL?

Grizzly 45 · 07-12-2020 3:32pm

From a bit of looking at the UK and the FAL in straight pull.
About 2500 Stg starter IF you can find one, and they are known for extraction/ejection issues courtesy of the original FAL design itself.
The AR/AK with rotating bolt heads are apparently better at the stght pull design.
So 2750 euro appx is putting you into a good 2nd hand Oberland or new AR or even an average HK in Germany or a factory refurbished new in grease at 650 euros SKS with a hump load of surplus 7.62X39 or a 30 cal M1 carbine or a mini 14 for under a grand with plenty of ammo, and will actually work and not be a heart breaker if the Govt here ever does enact that legislation and you are out a couple of grand in a confiscated rifle.
What I would do, and am doing as I fancy a mini 14 next year, maybe.
But I am not spending big bucks on another SA here for sure.

tudderone · 07-12-2020 4:00pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

From a bit of looking at the UK and the FAL in straight pull.
About 2500 Stg starter IF you can find one, and they are known for extraction/ejection issues courtesy of the original FAL design itself.
The AR/AK with rotating bolt heads are apparently better at the stght pull design.
So 2750 euro appx is putting you into a good 2nd hand Oberland or new AR or even an average HK in Germany or a factory refurbished new in grease at 650 euros SKS with a hump load of surplus 7.62X39 or a 30 cal M1 carbine or a mini 14 for under a grand with plenty of ammo, and will actually work and not be a heart breaker if the Govt here ever does enact that legislation and you are out a couple of grand in a confiscated rifle.
What I would do, and am doing as I fancy a mini 14 next year, maybe.
But I am not spending big bucks on another SA here for sure.

Anyone in ireland stocking 7.62x39 ammunition ? I fancied a cz bolt action in that calibre, no trouble getting a rifle but ammo could be a concern.

jb88 · 07-12-2020 5:27pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

From a bit of looking at the UK and the FAL in straight pull.
About 2500 Stg starter IF you can find one, and they are known for extraction/ejection issues courtesy of the original FAL design itself.
The AR/AK with rotating bolt heads are apparently better at the stght pull design.
So 2750 euro appx is putting you into a good 2nd hand Oberland or new AR or even an average HK in Germany or a factory refurbished new in grease at 650 euros SKS with a hump load of surplus 7.62X39 or a 30 cal M1 carbine or a mini 14 for under a grand with plenty of ammo, and will actually work and not be a heart breaker if the Govt here ever does enact that legislation and you are out a couple of grand in a confiscated rifle.
What I would do, and am doing as I fancy a mini 14 next year, maybe.
But I am not spending big bucks on another SA here for sure.

I know Griz but your like a broken record with all of this about the future, live in the present and it wont be an issue. The last thing I would want to be seen to be like is English in reference to their gun laws. They have their laws and we have ours.

Griz you must be shopping at the Harrords Gun shop equivalent

About 1200 euro for a L1A1 - A really good one, OR Fal that was manufactured semi auto
1800 euro to 2k for a good AR 15
A HK Piston driven AR you dont want, too expensive and too heavy and despite the hype there are much better out there for cheaper.
M1 Carbine 1200 is the cheapest
Mini 14's under 1k, I want the link??

The other stuff well its just that..

Grizzly 45 · 07-12-2020 9:19pm

jb88 wrote: »

I know Griz but you're like a broken record with all of this about the future, live in the present and it won't be an issue. The last thing I would want to be seen to be like is English in reference to their gun laws. They have their laws and we have ours

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Let's just say for the day that's in it[Pearl harbour memorial day]. We suffered our own version of that here in the Irish shooting community in Nov 2006, and the similarities on how the warnings and after-effects were handled by those in authority in both cases are striking....
I don't fancy another one in the future here, with people running about like turkeys hearing about Christmas on Dec 1st looking at possibly losing highly expensive rifles, if and when, the Govt decide to enact that statue.

I went thru this clusterfuk as did many others with CF handguns, and I'd hate to see people lose,or not be able to afford court cases to try and keep their property. Sorry,I just can't do this short-sightedness and "Shure be grand nuthin will ever happen!" attitude we have here.

Just take it that Damoclean sword is over any new applications for S/A rifles and that you will have little to no chance of recovering any compensation if it ever happens.

Griz you must be shopping at the Harrords Gun shop equivalent

:p

About 1200 euro for a L1A1 - A really good one, OR Fal that was manufactured semi auto

Nope! About 2,700 Euros for a straight pull "FN style rifle" built with a new untapped for gas outlets barrel and little or no former select fire or semi-auto parts.

1800 euro to 2k for a good AR 15

This is the German gun dealers webpage,where you can trade directly with a dealer and these are the average prices for AR15s and AR10s in Germany on the rack in the gun stores.
https://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/waffenmarkt/langwaffen~selbstladebuechsen.html?s_t=oberland&s_hk=13&s_sk=56&s_k=&s_z=&s_p=&s_d=&o=neu&v=

A HK Piston driven AR you don't want, too expensive and too heavy and despite the hype there are much better out there for cheaper.

Yeah,they do weigh in around the 20lb mark alright.;):p
Should have been more specific and meant something like a HK 91/G3 clone or the like.

https://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/waffenmarkt/langwaffen~selbstladebuechsen/ercbp9v1_m_k_e-mke_t41_g3_klon.html?s=1&s_t=HK&o=neu

M1 Carbine 1200 is the cheapest

Who is shopping a Harrods now??:) With a para and straight stock! I'd go for that myself!
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=12808628#img

Mini 14's under 1k, I want the link??

There ya go!! 600 euros, and yes they will ship it to Mars if they have your money,or to a German gun dealer who'll be only too happy to send it to you in Ireland with the paperwork:p

https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=12782272#img

tudderone · 07-12-2020 9:34pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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Let's just say for the day that's in it[Pearl harbour memorial day]. We suffered our own version of that here in the Irish shooting community in Nov 2006, and the similarities on how the warnings and after-effects were handled by those in authority in both cases are striking....
I don't fancy another one in the future here, with people running about like turkeys hearing about Christmas on Dec 1st looking at possibly losing highly expensive rifles, if and when, the Govt decide to enact that statue.

I went thru this clusterfuk as did many others with CF handguns, and I'd hate to see people lose,or not be able to afford court cases to try and keep their property. Sorry,I just can't do this short-sightedness and "Shure be grand nuthin will ever happen!" attitude we have here.

Just take it that Damoclean sword is over any new applications for S/A rifles and that you will have little to no chance of recovering any compensation if it ever happens.

Yeah, happened to me, i was happily going along shooting the .45 every week, and then crash boom bang it was gone when little nasty baldyman signed the SI. I couldn't afford the court case, and wasn't borrowing money to take a punt in court.

jb88 · 08-12-2020 2:53pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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Let's just say for the day that's in it[Pearl harbour memorial day]. We suffered our own version of that here in the Irish shooting community in Nov 2006, and the similarities on how the warnings and after-effects were handled by those in authority in both cases are striking....
I don't fancy another one in the future here, with people running about like turkeys hearing about Christmas on Dec 1st looking at possibly losing highly expensive rifles, if and when, the Govt decide to enact that statue.

I went thru this clusterfuk as did many others with CF handguns, and I'd hate to see people lose,or not be able to afford court cases to try and keep their property. Sorry,I just can't do this short-sightedness and "Shure be grand nuthin will ever happen!" attitude we have here.

Just take it that Damoclean sword is over any new applications for S/A rifles and that you will have little to no chance of recovering any compensation if it ever happens.

:p

Nope! About 2,700 Euros for a straight pull "FN style rifle" built with a new untapped for gas outlets barrel and little or no former select fire or semi-auto parts.

This is the German gun dealers webpage,where you can trade directly with a dealer and these are the average prices for AR15s and AR10s in Germany on the rack in the gun stores.
https://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/waffenmarkt/langwaffen~selbstladebuechsen.html?s_t=oberland&s_hk=13&s_sk=56&s_k=&s_z=&s_p=&s_d=&o=neu&v=

Yeah,they do weigh in around the 20lb mark alright.;):p
Should have been more specific and meant something like a HK 91/G3 clone or the like.

https://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/waffenmarkt/langwaffen~selbstladebuechsen/ercbp9v1_m_k_e-mke_t41_g3_klon.html?s=1&s_t=HK&o=neu

Who is shopping a Harrods now??:) With a para and straight stock! I'd go for that myself!
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=12808628#img

There ya go!! 600 euros, and yes they will ship it to Mars if they have your money,or to a German gun dealer who'll be only too happy to send it to you in Ireland with the paperwork:p

https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=12782272#img

I take some of your points on board, but I have a few of these already so I know the prices, and straight pull is for the brits, not in Ireland, or if it is anyone who buys them is a fool who got rightly rode by an an English Gun Dealer.
900 to 1200 for an FN

STRAIGHT PULLS ARE FOR ENGLISH PEOPLE (I was going to say Girls, but that would be an insult to them)
Only a fool of an Irish person in the republic would buy one, one with lots of money to waste..

tudderone · 08-12-2020 2:58pm

jb88 wrote: »

STRAIGHT PULLS ARE FOR ENGLISH PEOPLE (I was going to say Girls, but that would be an insult to them)
Only a fool of an Irish person in the republic would buy one, one with lots of money to waste..

Or for people who worry that what happened before in the pistol ban, happens again with centrefire semi-auto rifles. A lot of people remember having to sell their prized possession's for a fraction of their value, i certainly do.

jb88 · 08-12-2020 7:15pm

I think its a good strong drink I need instead of reading this sometimes

Bagpipe · 08-12-2020 8:40pm

jb88 wrote: »

I think its a good strong drink I need instead of reading this sometimes

I fear i've opened more than just a can of worms with this one

Grizzly 45 · 09-12-2020 2:36am

But I bet you are 100%more informed on SA ownership in Ireland than before?ðŸ˜‚

Bagpipe · 16-12-2020 8:37pm

Sorry to revive the thread again but just to close after all of the extremely helpful information above, i think i will get a year or two of range time under my belt (maybe with a mk3 or a g98) and then pursue one of the "converted to SA" FALs. So thank you all again for the replies!

tudderone · 16-12-2020 8:40pm

Bagpipe wrote: »

Sorry to revive the thread again but just to close after all of the extremely helpful information above, i think i will get a year or two of range time under my belt (maybe with a mk3 or a g98) and then pursue one of the "converted to SA" FALs. So thank you all again for the replies!

MK3 ? Lee enfield ?

Bagpipe · 17-12-2020 12:26am

tudderone wrote: »

MK3 ? Lee enfield ?

Yes sir

Munsterlad102 · 17-12-2020 8:35pm

Bagpipe wrote: »

Sorry to revive the thread again but just to close after all of the extremely helpful information above, i think i will get a year or two of range time under my belt (maybe with a mk3 or a g98) and then pursue one of the "converted to SA" FALs. So thank you all again for the replies!

The G98 is a restricted rifle due to the caliber as 8mm Mauser is above the .308 cut off. I'd say the Lee Enfield in .303 would be a better choice, I haven't seen any G98 or any similar Mauser for sale, and the ammo wouldn't be readily available.

Munsterlad102 · 17-12-2020 8:36pm

tudderone wrote: »

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Yeah, happened to me, i was happily going along shooting the .45 every week, and then crash boom bang it was gone when little nasty baldyman signed the SI. I couldn't afford the court case, and wasn't borrowing money to take a punt in court.

Out of curiosity, what model was it? A 1911?

tudderone · 17-12-2020 9:02pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

tudderone wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what model was it? A 1911?

Yes, single stack US army spec .45acp, the flying pumpkin.

tudderone · 17-12-2020 9:11pm

You can buy an excellent Swedish Mauser in 6.5x55 which aren't restricted. They are very accurate and ammo is easily available, they are cock on close so the action is fast. Some think they are better than the German Mausers.

Norwegian Mausers were german rifles surrendered at the end of the war, and rebarreled by Norway to .30-06. Great if you can find one.

Enfields are great, the only fly in the ointment is the surplus ammo is long gone and smmo isn't going to be as cheap as you imagined.

Grizzly 45 · 17-12-2020 11:36pm

tudderone wrote: »

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Yes, single stack US army spec .45acp, the flying pumpkin.

Not a Norinco 1911 GI issue be chance?

Grizzly 45 · 17-12-2020 11:39pm

tudderone wrote: »

You can buy an excellent Swedish Mauser in 6.5x55 which aren't restricted. They are very accurate and ammo is easily available, they are cock on close so the action is fast. Some think they are better than the German Mausers.

Norwegian Mausers were german rifles surrendered at the end of the war, and rebarreled by Norway to .30-06. Great if you can find one.

Enfields are great, the only fly in the ointment is the surplus ammo is long gone and smmo isn't going to be as cheap as you imagined.

The Swede Mausers are considerd the Rolls Royce of the Mauser world.

meathstevie · 11-01-2021 12:45pm

juice1304 wrote: »

Its legal in Germany to make a lever release. The law you're thinking of is in relation to them manufacturing semi-autos on the same machines and tooling as they make full autos on. It was to try and prevent the public from being able to buy the SL8 however HK just decided to spend 4 million euros on another machine instead so it made no difference.
Although it would be legal to make you would be paying someone to develop the modification again. And the reason they are banned in the uk is because with minimal modification you could turn it into a full auto. Personally, i wouldn't bother with one.

That makes about as much sense as telling a car manufacturer that they can’t make a rally spec car and a road legal one under the same roof....

jb88 · 11-01-2021 6:13pm

juice1304 wrote: »

Its legal in Germany to make a lever release. The law you're thinking of is in relation to them manufacturing semi-autos on the same machines and tooling as they make full autos on. It was to try and prevent the public from being able to buy the SL8 however HK just decided to spend 4 million euros on another machine instead so it made no difference.
Although it would be legal to make you would be paying someone to develop the modification again. And the reason they are banned in the uk is because with minimal modification you could turn it into a full auto. Personally, i wouldn't bother with one.

My question to all of this is why??? Why do you want to make an Englishman's mistake your folly?
When you dont have the UK restrictions on Mars guns why at any stage would anyone in the Republic consider it, and dont give me the BS on competing, thats just pie in the sky...

The same for straight pulls which are essentially ruined classic rifles or black bolt action guns.

Im laughing fairly hard here at anyone who needs that rubbish. And thats what it is expensive rubbish made to do things to conform to criteria set down by the brits.

And its nigh on impossible or without serious gun skills, tonnes of money and access to a serious engineering shop to turn a semi automatic into a full auto, unless you want fake fingers and a good plastic surgeon to look forward too.
Even then odds are you will be lucky to survive the first few rounds.

Lets get things straight for the kids in the back row, and everyone else.
All this information about converting to a full auto for many of the now licenced types of semi auto centre fires in Ireland is about as smart as having a cigarette after dousing yourself in petrol, liable to ruin.

The components are so different and the sizes and dimensions altered so much that its almost possible.

Remember they banned full auto conversions to semi in the last SI if im not mistaken for a reason..

Aside from the fact, you cant get a licence for it.

Munsterlad102 · 11-01-2021 8:08pm

jb88 wrote: »

My question to all of this is why??? Why do you want to make an Englishman's mistake your folly?
When you dont have the UK restrictions on Mars guns why at any stage would anyone in the Republic consider it, and dont give me the BS on competing, thats just pie in the sky...

The same for straight pulls which are essentially ruined classic rifles or black bolt action guns.

Im laughing fairly hard here at anyone who needs that rubbish. And thats what it is expensive rubbish made to do things to conform to criteria set down by the brits.

And its nigh on impossible or without serious gun skills, tonnes of money and access to a serious engineering shop to turn a semi automatic into a full auto, unless you want fake fingers and a good plastic surgeon to look forward too.
Even then odds are you will be lucky to survive the first few rounds.

Lets get things straight for the kids in the back row, and everyone else.
All this information about converting to a full auto for many of the now licenced types of semi auto centre fires in Ireland is about as smart as having a cigarette after dousing yourself in petrol, liable to ruin.

The components are so different and the sizes and dimensions altered so much that its almost possible.

Remember they banned full auto conversions to semi in the last SI if im not mistaken for a reason..

Aside from the fact, you cant get a licence for it.

I think people who held licences for conversions before sometime in 2017 are allowed to keep them. Also what actually constitutes a full auto conversion, where do they draw the line? Take an FN FAL for example, if have a semi auto one are you allowed to swap out say the barrel or receiver? Are you allowed to make your own receiver and use full auto parts, technically it's not converting one but wheres the cut off point? Just some food for thought anyway.

Grizzly 45 · 11-01-2021 9:38pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I think people who held licences for conversions before sometime in 2017 are allowed to keep them. Also what actually constitutes a full auto conversion, where do they draw the line? Take an FN FAL for example, if have a semi auto one are you allowed to swap out say the barrel or receiver? Are you allowed to make your own receiver and use full auto parts, technically it's not converting one but wheres the cut off point? Just some food for thought anyway.

Re the 2017 thing...ASFIK NOPE! However, there are probably maybe oh... between five to 10 of these types of guns here in Ireland, and there is no way to prove that they were former assault rifles,bar a technical examination to prove this,of which when I talked to DOJ in person 2020 they have no way, means or qualified personnel to prove or disprove,it's probably so far down on the list of priorities as not to worry about.

As for a conversion.I'll answer this in the German context of an M16or X177 Colt Commando and Sten rebuild done by Waffen Niedermeyer in Munich, as they are still building and selling these.

It's a complete rebuild of the gun.
About the only original parts are probably the lower receiver and upper and handguards, and even the lower is remodified, in such the 3rd hole is we tig welded and the select-fire control pocket is filled in again with an aluminium block. The only thing that says it was a former M16 is the colt logo and the 3rd marking for FA on the receiver. The barrel is replaced, the entire fire control group, the bolt carrier is semi auto only BCG, and the supplied mag is a 10 round only.

The Sten irrespective of mark
Probably the stock and the mag well and some hold it together bits are original.
The bolt is machined either larger or smaller than the original spec bolt so a FA bolt cant be dropped in. The cocking lever slot and receiver length is specifically designed to make original parts inoperative if they were put in. The feeder ramp lips on the bolt are machined differently. The whole trigger mechanism is built to be semi-auto only,the selector button only has safe and semi ,and a new barrel. In short, it would be easier to go and build a Luty or an Ulster special than re work this to a select-fire STEN.

Then they are packed off to the Federal police technical lab in Wiesbaden for examination. The job there is to see can they be converted back to select fire with normal household tools, and that it doesn't fall foul of the war weapons act.... Germans don't consider lathes and milling machines normal DIY tools in the hobby basement. And these lads have titles like Dr or Prof in front of their names in things like engineering and firearms designs.
So if they cant do it, you are good to sell this on the German and EU market by default.

Off it goes then to Ulm or the like for a proof house testing, and then you can buy it on the open market.At a snip for 2,225 euros ,pay in advance:D https://www.waffen-niedermeier.de/de/shop/langwaffen/10673_colt_niedermeier_gmbh_xm177__

940 for the sten if available
https://www.waffen-niedermeier.de/de/shop/langwaffen/10331_verschiedene_sten_sa_mkii.html

jb88 · 13-01-2021 3:49pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I think people who held licences for conversions before sometime in 2017 are allowed to keep them. Also what actually constitutes a full auto conversion, where do they draw the line? Take an FN FAL for example, if have a semi auto one are you allowed to swap out say the barrel or receiver? Are you allowed to make your own receiver and use full auto parts, technically it's not converting one but wheres the cut off point? Just some food for thought anyway.

Not sure if you could ever hold a licence for a "conversion", and again how do you prove it. (GR what number exactly ;-) )
When the govt ban something it is that, a ban.
You need to understand the complexities of a conversion, its not some backroom mechanic you need for this. There is a reason its so hard, and oh yes everything on youtube is 100% honest.. Gotta love stupid people making stuff public.

I think you need a good look at the legislation here, its very clear on having a firearms manufacturing licence in order to do this. Its not food for thought, some less sensible person might read this and think its ok to do.
ITS NOT,

If you alter something into something that is against the law, then there are big consequences if you are caught. But as I said before in the case of AR's you need a different set up internally and externally if it were easy every .223 sporter in America would be converted to full Auto.

No food for though required, its Very Dangerous, Very illegal and Very difficult.

tudderone · 13-01-2021 4:00pm

jb88 wrote: »

Not sure if you could ever hold a licence for a "conversion", and again how do you prove it. (GR what number exactly ;-) )
When the govt ban something it is that, a ban.
You need to understand the complexities of a conversion, its not some backroom mechanic you need for this. There is a reason its so hard, and oh yes everything on youtube is 100% honest.. Gotta love stupid people making stuff public.

I think you need a good look at the legislation here, its very clear on having a firearms manufacturing licence in order to do this. Its not food for thought, some less sensible person might read this and think its ok to do.
ITS NOT,

If you alter something into something that is against the law, then there are big consequences if you are caught. But as I said before in the case of AR's you need a different set up internally and externally if it were easy every .223 sporter in America would be converted to full Auto.

No food for though required, its Very Dangerous, Very illegal and Very difficult.

I dunno about that, very serious consequences if you are caught doing anything like that in America. A long time in a prison that makes ours look like butlins holiday camps.

jb88 · 13-01-2021 4:30pm

tudderone wrote: »

I dunno about that, very serious consequences if you are caught doing anything like that in America. A long time in a prison that makes ours look like butlins holiday camps.

Not having a face or limbs being the first issue, Prison, they wont even get that far.
Special kind of Stupid reserved for that individual

Munsterlad102 · 13-01-2021 4:49pm

jb88 wrote: »

Not sure if you could ever hold a licence for a "conversion", and again how do you prove it. (GR what number exactly ;-) )
When the govt ban something it is that, a ban.
You need to understand the complexities of a conversion, its not some backroom mechanic you need for this. There is a reason its so hard, and oh yes everything on youtube is 100% honest.. Gotta love stupid people making stuff public.

I think you need a good look at the legislation here, its very clear on having a firearms manufacturing licence in order to do this. Its not food for thought, some less sensible person might read this and think its ok to do.
ITS NOT,

If you alter something into something that is against the law, then there are big consequences if you are caught. But as I said before in the case of AR's you need a different set up internally and externally if it were easy every .223 sporter in America would be converted to full Auto.

No food for though required, its Very Dangerous, Very illegal and Very difficult.

I think you're misinterpreting the points I was making. I was just talking about what point does a semi auto become a a full auto converted to semi auto, a conversion. I wasn't saying anything about rifles that were converted or modified, I was basically asking where the legislation draws a line with what parts are interchangeable with full auto rifle, NOT CONVERTING SEMI AUTO TO FULL AUTO!!!!!! Like can you put an M16 barrel on an AR-15 for example or something along those lines.

I think you've just seen me asking about what defines a conversion from a semi auto and ran with the idea that I want to make machine guns, which I can assure you isn't the case.

If you have anything to contribute, that would be nice but don't misinterpret my posts, whether through malicious intent or pure incompetence.

tudderone · 13-01-2021 6:14pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I think you're misinterpreting the points I was making. I was just talking about what point does a semi auto become a a full auto converted to semi auto, a conversion. I wasn't saying anything about rifles that were converted or modified, I was basically asking where the legislation draws a line with what parts are interchangeable with full auto rifle, NOT CONVERTING SEMI AUTO TO FULL AUTO!!!!!! Like can you put an M16 barrel on an AR-15 for example or something along those lines.

I think you've just seen me asking about what defines a conversion from a semi auto and ran with the idea that I want to make machine guns, which I can assure you isn't the case.

If you have anything to contribute, that would be nice but don't misinterpret my posts, whether through malicious intent or pure incompetence.

The lowers on the ar15 and m16 are completely different, despite appearances, and the lowers from one won't fit the other and visa-versa.

Munsterlad102 · 13-01-2021 8:15pm

tudderone wrote: »

The lowers on the ar15 and m16 are completely different, despite appearances, and the lowers from one won't fit the other and visa-versa.

Really? I could have sworn I saw a video of someone put an ar upper on an m16 lower. Maybe it was a ar full auto lower from the 60s. But anyway, it was just an example you get the analogy.

juice1304 · 13-01-2021 9:24pm

jb88 wrote: »

And its nigh on impossible or without serious gun skills, tonnes of money and access to a serious engineering shop to turn a semi automatic into a full auto, unless you want fake fingers and a good plastic surgeon to look forward too.
Even then odds are you will be lucky to survive the first few rounds..

It doesn't at all that is complete nonsense.
I explained how the basic functionality works in a very vague way and i was told not to talk about it but that is simply wrong and im not going to go into it in any further detail.
The barrel is the pressure vessel so if it will work semi without blowing up it will do the same in any other type of fire unless it changes the locking times.
Everyone in the thread above saying parts dont fit etc dont understand how it works.
And it makes no difference because its prohibited here unless you have authorization from the minister.
This conversation stands only to embolden ignorant politicians.
The simple fact of the matter is that unless someone manufacturers one of these types of firearms completely from scratch it is going to be banned under EU law and the only function they serve is to look cool.
And if someone does that because semi-autos are banned they will also be banned like in England because it is possible to make them semi again or like the conversation above.
Its a pointless exercise arguing about this especially when so many dont understand the basic function of a semi-auto and the mechanical differences in the mars or lever release.

Grizzly 45 · 14-01-2021 11:00am

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Really? I could have sworn I saw a video of someone put an ar upper on an m16 lower. Maybe it was a ar full auto lower from the 60s. But anyway, it was just an example you get the analogy.

Need to see the vid /thread to comment?Got a link?
And that wont function either,as it still needs an M16 bolt carrier.
Now,it is possible it was an AR 15 from that era with a so called "drop in auto sear"Which made the gun fire on full auto only. However that part nowadays is and must be registerd as a "machine gun"itself with BATFE
The AR lower had been redesigned numerous times by manufacturers in the US to prevent this.
So much that Colt even made their M16 upper a properity design in the 90s by making the forward hinge pin holes smaller/larger?so it would not work on Colt lowers designed for ARs.
Simple fact is;Just putting M16 parts like the bolt carrier into an AR upper wont make an instant machine gun.
You need the fire controls in the lower and that requires some machine shop skills as well as now federally registerd and controlled parts.As well as being very illegal to do this.

Munsterlad102 · 14-01-2021 11:36am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Need to see the vid /thread to comment?Got a link?
And that wont function either,as it still needs an M16 bolt carrier.
Now,it is possible it was an AR 15 from that era with a so called "drop in auto sear"Which made the gun fire on full auto only. However that part nowadays is and must be registerd as a "machine gun"itself with BATFE
The AR lower had been redesigned numerous times by manufacturers in the US to prevent this.
So much that Colt even made their M16 upper a properity design in the 90s by making the forward hinge pin holes smaller/larger?so it would not work on Colt lowers designed for ARs.
Simple fact is;Just putting M16 parts like the bolt carrier into an AR upper wont make an instant machine gun.
You need the fire controls in the lower and that requires some machine shop skills as well as now federally registerd and controlled parts.As well as being very illegal to do this.

I've heard of a drop in auto sear before, but this wasn't it. Here's the video and there's more like it if you're interested:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cr9e3N6HEw

I got confused between an M16 lower and a machine lower for an AR. The video was done by an actual gun dealer in the US so I assume he has all his ducks in a row, legally speaking. But can you swap an M16 barrel or any other pressure bearing parts with an AR?

Just a reminder to any moderators, I'm not trying to break the law, I'm just trying to find the extent of it. Just off the top of my head, firearms components are classes as firearms, so if you take something as mundane as a trigger spring from a full auto and put it in a semi auto, does that mean you've made a full auto firearm into a semi auto and hence banned? Purely theoretical, I don't plan to do anything like this.

BattleCorp · 14-01-2021 12:17pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I've heard of a drop in auto sear before, but this wasn't it. Here's the video and there's more like it if you're interested:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cr9e3N6HEw

I got confused between an M16 lower and a machine lower for an AR. The video was done by an actual gun dealer in the US so I assume he has all his ducks in a row, legally speaking. But can you swap an M16 barrel or any other pressure bearing parts with an AR?

I'm not an expert but swapping barrels is probably possible but it's not possible with most of the other pressure bearing parts. But then, the barrel doesn't have anything to do with making it fully auto. The lower and bolt carrier group is where most of it is at.

Munsterlad102 · 14-01-2021 1:11pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm not an expert but swapping barrels is probably possible but it's not possible with most of the other pressure bearing parts. But then, the barrel doesn't have anything to do with making it fully auto. The lower and bolt carrier group is where most of it is at.

I know that, but if the law considers gun components to be firearms on their own and full auto to semi auto conversions are banned. Then are you allowed to put an M16 barrel which is legally a full auto firearm, on an AR making it a semi auto? Or does the law not differentiate between full auto components and any other components? It might be a question for Cass

BattleCorp · 14-01-2021 1:23pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I know that, but if the law considers gun components to be firearms on their own and full auto to semi auto conversions are banned. Then are you allowed to put an M16 barrel which is legally a full auto firearm, on an AR making it a semi auto? Or does the law not differentiate between full auto components and any other components? It might be a question for Cass

If they barrels are interchangable, in other words if the M16 barrel fits the AR15, then I see no reason why you can't change them. It doesn't change the function of the rifle. It's still a semi-auto rifle.

Grizzly 45 · 14-01-2021 2:39pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I've heard of a drop in auto sear before, but this wasn't it. Here's the video and there's more like it if you're interested:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cr9e3N6HEw

I got confused between an M16 lower and a machine lower for an AR. The video was done by an actual gun dealer in the US so I assume he has all his ducks in a row, legally speaking. But can you swap an M16 barrel or any other pressure bearing parts with an AR?

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Iraqi vet 8888.
Yes he is a title 3 dealer,so he can do fun stuff like this in his state.
I'd ASSume he was running an M4 lower with an M4 BCG in the upper to get it to burn like that. You can't really tell from the close up of the front of the BCG in the vid, but I'd say with 95% certainty it is a FA BCG.

Can you put an M16 barrel in An AR upper? Good question, Technically it isn't a big deal to do a barrel swap. All of 20 mins of a job. Is it LEGAL to do so ??

In the EU categorically NO, as it is a pressure-bearing part for one and if from military stocks, probably, depending on were sourced from, no doubt not proof house tested to be sold on the civvie market
[2] the EU legislation considers a part of a former military select-fire rifle,so it will fall foul of the legislation
[3] WHY? it will more than likely have had a good few hundred thousand rounds down it and be a virtual smoothbore.:D MILSPEC means it was made by the cheapest bidder on a Govt contract with the most basic tolerances to satisfy a Govt specification.

In the US...Ask BATFE and get a written answer that will last as long as they think it is valid. But as you have such a choice of New M4 style barrels or in any configuration you want, no one would bother.

jb88 · 14-01-2021 3:27pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I think you're misinterpreting the points I was making. I was just talking about what point does a semi auto become a a full auto converted to semi auto, a conversion. I wasn't saying anything about rifles that were converted or modified, I was basically asking where the legislation draws a line with what parts are interchangeable with full auto rifle, NOT CONVERTING SEMI AUTO TO FULL AUTO!!!!!! Like can you put an M16 barrel on an AR-15 for example or something along those lines.

I think you've just seen me asking about what defines a conversion from a semi auto and ran with the idea that I want to make machine guns, which I can assure you isn't the case.

If you have anything to contribute, that would be nice but don't misinterpret my posts, whether through malicious intent or pure incompetence.

Youtube, Google and a few other search engines are your friend here

Grizzly 45 · 15-01-2021 2:14am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Iraqi vet 8888.

I'd ASSume he was running an M4 lower with an M4 BCG in the upper to get it to burn like that. You can't really tell from the close up of the front of the BCG in the vid, but I'd say with 95% certainty it is a FA BCG.

Yup..Just to further clarify that point.

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