Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

briany · 12-01-2021 03:03PM

Overheal wrote: »

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/01/parlers-amateur-coding-could-come-back-to-haunt-capitol-hill-rioters/

We're coming for you, assholes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx5GwULPU90

Question,

How long until we get some parsing of the data in that dump and a summary of the findings? I don't think most of us fancy sifting through 70TB of material...

Tell me how · 12-01-2021 03:04PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Well I just see it differently.

He's gone in a week. He's been abandoned by numerous allies. Gone of twitter. And above all, he lost the election.

The impeachment keeps him in the news for the next few days.

As the self-claimed President of Law & Order, surely Trump would want anyone who incited insurrection to be tried to the full extent of the law in the appropriate forum for their actions.

Or, do you think he was just bullsh*tting about that claim to try to get votes from people who thought he was only referring to Black people?

Overheal · 12-01-2021 03:06PM

briany wrote: »

Question,

How long until we get some parsing of the data in that dump and a summary of the findings? I don't think most of us fancy sifting through 70TB of material...

It's already being done. How long is a piece of string?

briany · 12-01-2021 03:08PM

Overheal wrote: »

How long is a piece of string?

70TB

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 03:18PM

Surprise surprise, Trump hasn't learned a ****ing thing..

https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/1349012193765957633?s=19

12-01-2021 03:21PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Surprise surprise, Trump hasn't learned a ****ing thing..

https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/1349012193765957633?s=19

Fully expect him to double down and rile up the crowd in Texas so.

No doubt, in his mind he is the victim.

partyguinness · 12-01-2021 03:22PM

For all the talk about censorship etc

There is absolutely nothing to stop Trump from holding a press conference as many times as he wants. He has chosen not to.

randd1 · 12-01-2021 03:30PM

partyguinness wrote: »

For all the talk about censorship etc

There is absolutely nothing to stop Trump from holding a press conference as many times as he wants. He has chosen not to.

Yeah, exactly. There's nothing stopping him from saying what he wants. No law has been changed.

What bull**** he said last year he can say again tomorrow. He has not been silenced or censored in any way. He's as free now as he ever was.

I can't understand how people don't get that and equate twitter policy to actual legislation.

radia · 12-01-2021 03:32PM

tigger123 wrote: »

How many (estimate) would be required from the Republican side to actually achieve impeachment?

astrofool wrote: »

16 isn't it? (66 total needed).

basillarkin wrote: »

Correct, no way 16 GOP senators vote to impeach him. Will be lucky to get 8. Loads there for a criminal conviction after.

But the Dems don't actually need 16 Republicans to switch if some don't turn up. As can be seen from Overheal's previous post (colour added for emphasis), what's needed for conviction is a two-thirds supermajority of those present, not two-thirds of the full Senate membership. So if some Republican Senators could be persuaded not to turn up (say, because they were self-isolating or had urgent business out of town)...

Overheal wrote: »

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present. Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-01-2021 03:39PM

Could Trump face charges?

The DC AG thinks so.

https://twitter.com/funder/status/1348710813842997248?s=19

Kaybaykwah · 12-01-2021 03:39PM

randd1 wrote: »

Yeah, exactly. There's nothing stopping him from saying what he wants. No law has been changed.

What bull**** he said last year he can say again tomorrow. He has not been silenced or censored in any way. He's as free now as he ever was.

I can't understand how people don't get that and equate twitter policy to actual legislation.

And of course, he can claim his right to free speech was taken away by Twitter, and that is a handy tool in his holster.

If he had his own media platform to blurt out inanities, the tradeoff would be that he has gone Big Brother.

His silence the past week has been a convenient way of passing himself off the victim.

Overheal · 12-01-2021 03:40PM

Old video of young Ted Cruz' aspiration to "rule the world; world domination"

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/kvnc3e/young_ted_cruz_wants_to_rule_the_world_or_be_in_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 03:42PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Could Trump face charges?

The DC AG thinks so.

https://twitter.com/funder/status/1348710813842997248?s=19

State and federal.

If he wants to avoid the latter, he needs a pardon.

If he needs a pardon, it is safer that Pence give it to him as self pardons are not clear.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1349017619890905090?s=20

*this just in - the bloke that was impeached for a call that he said was perfect, thinks that the speech he gave which caused a riot was "appropriate"

I'm saying it now - the more Trump doubles down on this kind of speak, the more pressure McConnell will be under to neuter him. The closer it gets to the 20th, the more pressure McConnell will be under to do something lest there be a repeat of the 6th and the reps will have been seen to do nothing.

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1349017587368263680?s=20

I expect a Nixon-esque ending to this.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-01-2021 03:43PM

briany wrote: »

70TB

Found Nancy pelosi boards account..

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-01-2021 03:48PM

Another bites the dust..

https://twitter.com/Gothamist/status/1349015253741408263?s=19

briany · 12-01-2021 03:49PM

everlast75 wrote: »

I expect a Nixon-esque ending to this.

I have to wonder the press treatment and Trump's response if it had been he who'd committed the illegal acts comprising the Watergate scandal.

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 03:51PM

everlast75 wrote: »

State and federal.

If he wants to avoid the latter, he needs a pardon.

If he needs a pardon, it is safer that Pence give it to him as self pardons are not clear.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1349017619890905090?s=20

*this just in - the bloke that was impeached for a call that he said was perfect, thinks that the speech he gave which caused a riot was "appropriate"

I'm saying it now - the more Trump doubles down on this kind of speak, the more pressure McConnell will be under to neuter him. The closer it gets to the 20th, the more pressure McConnell will be under to do something lest there be a repeat of the 6th and the reps will have been seen to do nothing.

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1349017587368263680?s=20

I expect a Nixon-esque ending to this.

The problem he now faces is that if he accepts a Pardon (or pardons himself) covering the incident on the 6th or a blanket pardon covering his time in Office, that is an admission of guilt.

If he admits guilt, then people will go to town on him via Civil Suits , he can't claim innocence , it just becomes a matter of how much it costs him.

Anyone injured on the day can sue him for inciting the riot that caused their injury (or death in the case of the Police Officer).

I'm sure even some people not injured could sue him for putting them at risk etc. etc.

He is well and truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 03:53PM

briany wrote: »

I have to wonder the press treatment and Trump's response if it had been he who'd committed the illegal acts comprising the Watergate scandal.

Nixons activities were just an average Wednesday afternoon in the Trump admin.

The stuff Nixon did is positively quaint compared to the utter lawless kip that Trump has turned the office of President into.

swampgas · 12-01-2021 03:58PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The problem he now faces is that if he accepts a Pardon (or pardons himself) covering the incident on the 6th or a blanket pardon covering his time in Office, that is an admission of guilt.

If he admits guilt, then people will go to town on him via Civil Suits , he can't claim innocence , it just becomes a matter of how much it costs him.

Anyone injured on the day can sue him for inciting the riot that caused their injury (or death in the case of the Police Officer).

I'm sure even some people not injured could sue him for putting them at risk etc. etc.

He is well and truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Speculating, at this point I can see only 2 options:

Go all out to complete the coup and install himself as de facto dictator
Escape from the US to a safe haven

He can try the first and fall back on the second if he has an escape route planned out. I would also suspect that he has managed to transfer as much cash as possible to where it cannot be seized by the authorities.

He is too old to risk prison - he's got to go all in now.

Leroy42 · 12-01-2021 03:59PM

And the thing that must be really driving him mad, is that like the election loss itself, this is all on him.

Had he simply accepted the loss, acted with some degree of pride, he would have walked away from the WH, richer, pardon in hand, and 74m willing to pay into whatever get rich scheme he dreamt up. He basically had a licence to print money. Even if he had to stay out of the limelight somewhat, the path was set for the likes of Ivanka or Don Jr to push ahead.

Instead, he fecked it all in a failed attempt to overturn the result. Yet again Trump makes a bad decision. It is actually quite staggering to me that he made it as far in life as he did since nearly every decision he makes ends up a disaster.

duploelabs · 12-01-2021 04:01PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

And the thing that must be really driving him mad, is that like the election loss itself, this is all on him.

Had he simply accepted the loss, acted with some degree of pride, he would have walked away from the WH, richer, pardon in hand, and 74m willing to pay into whatever get rich scheme he dreamt up. He basically had a licence to print money. Even if he had to stay out of the limelight somewhat, the path was set for the likes of Ivanka or Don Jr to push ahead.

Instead, he fecked it all in a failed attempt to overturn the result. Yet again Trump makes a bad decision. It is actually quite staggering to me that he made it as far in life as he did since nearly every decision he makes ends up a disaster.

Well he did blow all his daddy's money

The Nal · 12-01-2021 04:03PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Nixons activities were just an average Wednesday afternoon in the Trump admin.

The stuff Nixon did is positively quaint compared to the utter lawless kip that Trump has turned the office of President into.

Well Nixon did commit treason before he even got into office. Told the South Vietnamese to reject the peace deal because they'd get a better deal when he got in. Many US soldiers died as a result. There were about 300 dying a week at that point.

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 04:04PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

And the thing that must be really driving him mad, is that like the election loss itself, this is all on him.

Had he simply accepted the loss, acted with some degree of pride, he would have walked away from the WH, richer, pardon in hand, and 74m willing to pay into whatever get rich scheme he dreamt up. He basically had a licence to print money. Even if he had to stay out of the limelight somewhat, the path was set for the likes of Ivanka or Don Jr to push ahead.

Instead, he fecked it all in a failed attempt to overturn the result. Yet again Trump makes a bad decision. It is actually quite staggering to me that he made it as far in life as he did since nearly every decision he makes ends up a disaster.

Narcissists always self destruct

duploelabs · 12-01-2021 04:06PM

The Nal wrote: »

Well Nixon did commit treason before he even got into office. Told the South Vietnamese to reject the peace deal because they'd get a better deal when he got in. Many US soldiers died as a result. There were about 300 dying a week at that point.

Virtually the same amount die every hour by trump's inept handling of the coronavirus

briany · 12-01-2021 04:08PM

swampgas wrote: »

Speculating, at this point I can see only 2 options:
Go all out to complete the coup and install himself as de facto dictator

Escape from the US to a safe haven

He can try the first and fall back on the second if he has an escape route planned out. I would also suspect that he has managed to transfer as much cash as possible to where it cannot be seized by the authorities.

He is too old to risk prison - he's got to go all in now.

He hasn't the resources to complete a coup. The military won't back him.

If I were Trump I'd go straight for the safe haven idea. Obviously, I'd want to see him brought to justice, but if I were Trump...

Kaybaykwah · 12-01-2021 04:09PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Another bites the dust..

https://twitter.com/Gothamist/status/1349015253741408263?s=19

That guy is in that Jayden X video throughout, and he is especially violent and confrontational, he seems to be on speed, or just plain mentally challenged.

is_that_so · 12-01-2021 04:09PM

Cruz and Hawley could end up on no fly lists according to this!

House Homeland Security Committee Chair Rep. Bennie Thompson has said Senators Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Josh Hawley (R-MO) could be put on the no-fly list if they're found liable for inciting the riot at the Capitol that left five people dead.

https://www.newsweek.com/ted-cruz-josh-hawley-no-fly-list-house-homeland-security-chair-1560748

listermint · 12-01-2021 04:10PM

British Golf Open now following the PGA, no competitions at trump properties.

seamus · 12-01-2021 04:11PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Instead, he fecked it all in a failed attempt to overturn the result. Yet again Trump makes a bad decision. It is actually quite staggering to me that he made it as far in life as he did since nearly every decision he makes ends up a disaster.

It was a few months ago I first saw an analysis on Twitter about how when Trump is presented with options, he always picks the bad one. Without fail. The only time he ever does the right thing is when he has not other choice.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's quite incredible.

If you ever think to yourself, "Trump will do the smart thing here now, he has to", but there is another option on the table - he will take that option.

PropJoe10 · 12-01-2021 04:14PM

This man is absolutely deluded.

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