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Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

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  • #7022
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,411 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    briany wrote: »
    If Donald Trump cannot run for the 2024 election, and the reason is not being in prison, dead, or otherwise incapacitated, then I would expect him to endorse either Ivanka or Don Jr. for Republican nominee.

    Now, I fully agree with you on your opinion that Ivanka and Don Jr. are pretty much without charisma, and what attraction they do possess comes from their connections and money rather than emanating from their persons, and they would stand noooo chance of getting anywhere near a nomination - by themselves, but I would have to think that in the aforementioned case, they, and their dad, would make it perfectly clear that Don or Ivanka were proxy candidates, or as clear as they could without violating any statute which exists to prevent the practice. The message would be, "If you want 4 more years of Donald Trump, vote for me." Maybe not as blatant as that, but that would be the idea.

    But even besides that, whoever wants to run for Republican nominee needs to court that Trump base, and this illustrates what a long shadow he's going to cast over the party, that his 'ideals' and potential endorsement will make or break candidates.

    Not happening , the stink that's going to come off the trump name this year will be undeniable.

    I fully expect people to forget or deny ever voting for him.

    You will see walk backs all over the place. And I fully expect lids to be lifted everywhere on things that were surpressed by his lackeys in multiple departments.

    Save this post we can review it as the secrets come out.


  • #7023
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1348815908597362691

    This will affect the Proud Boys in particular, who have used GFM to support and move a number of essentially professional rioters, guys who don't have to worry about losing jobs because less upfront PBs are sponsoring them.

    Edit - though it's worth saying they've moved a lot of their fundraising lately to a "Christian" GoFundMe alternative platform recently.


  • #7024
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,901 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

    Apart from Trump, no. Up until 2016 all campaigns were ran mainly on issues. Lee Atwater started the dirty tricks in the 84 election and they've become increasingly worse since then to the point where Trump didn't really need to run on issues. Just a few chants and catchphrases while slagging loads of people off.


  • #7025
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,057 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Ivanka did run, she could use the slogan, "I'm Ivanka Trump, and I always do what my daddy tells me to."


  • #7026
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,135 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

    A lot of Trump supporters are extremely anti semetic, Ivanka doesn't have a hope because she's Jewish. She's too left for the right and too right for the left.


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  • #7027
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,901 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cienciano wrote: »
    A lot of Trump supporters are extremely anti semetic, Ivanka doesn't have a hope because she's Jewish. She's too left for the right and too right for the left.

    Converted though, not the same in their eyes.

    The GOP have the perfect opportunity now to rid themselves of Trump and ensure he doesn't threaten them in 2024, but they won't, for some weird reason. Parts of that party are like a cult now.


  • #7028
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    briany wrote: »
    If Ivanka did run, she could use the slogan, "I'm Ivanka Trump, and I always do what my daddy tells me to."

    Ivanka won't run for the WH directly.

    Prior to the latest sh!t storm I suspect she was planning to have a go at taking a Senate seat in Florida (hence the move to Florida) , now though she hasn't a hope.

    If she won the Primary she'd absolutely put the seat hugely in play for the Democrats.


  • #7029
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The Nal wrote: »
    Converted though, not the same in their eyes.

    The GOP have the perfect opportunity now to rid themselves of Trump and ensure he doesn't threaten them in 2024, but they won't, for some weird reason. Parts of that party are like a cult now.

    Their "problem" is that he is still massively massively popular with GOP Voters and most of them still think he should be President
    In a survey fielded in the days after a group of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the US Capitol (January 8 to 11), 72 percent of likely Republican voters said they continue to question the presidential election results. Nearly three-quarters of Republicans, or 74 percent, said allegations of voter fraud have contributed to these concerns. Those are overwhelming majorities, but even among independents, 42 percent said they do not currently trust the election results.

    The GOP is more split on the presidential transition, with 49 percent of Republicans saying they have doubts about the election outcome and oppose Biden’s inauguration, 29 percent saying they still have doubts about the outcome but believe Biden should be inaugurated, and 16 percent saying they trust the election results and think Biden should be inaugurated. A total of 1,233 likely voters were polled for the survey, which has a margin of error of 2.8 percentage points.

    Not an iota for sympathy for the place they have put themselves into , but even if they wanted to (and there's little evidence that they do) how do they untangle themselves from Trump and his fantasies with Polling data like that??


  • #7030
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

    From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"
    Fox News prime-time host Sean Hannity said Monday that the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop will "shock the soul of the nation," citing "numerous credible sources" close to the matter.

    They will yeah...


  • #7031
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,057 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If you look real close at the pictures of the rioters who Trump wound up on Wednesday, you can see Hunter Biden in approximately none of them.


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  • #7032
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

    From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"



    They will yeah...

    I am sure plenty will point out that this sort of stuff doesn't foster unity in the US and is just driving divisions.


  • #7033
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Cienciano wrote: »
    A lot of Trump supporters are extremely anti semetic, Ivanka doesn't have a hope because she's Jewish. She's too left for the right and too right for the left.


    You are being very very generous.

    Ivanka Trump is nothing. Left, right or centre. Pure self serving ego and promotion. She isn't even Jewish- she 'converted' so she could marry the 'still waiting to shave' Kushner. Even that tells you how flexible she is- no convictions whatsoever like Daddy.

    Anyway, most of the crazy GOPs believe that Jews are running the world. The Democrats are the natural home for the Jewish vote.


  • #7034
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,112 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

    From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"



    They will yeah...

    We are probably due a caravan travelling up from the South soon too

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #7035
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,848 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    The Nal wrote: »
    The GOP have the perfect opportunity now to rid themselves of Trump and ensure he doesn't threaten them in 2024, but they won't, for some weird reason. Parts of that party are like a cult now.


    The question is, how many Trump supporters will still support another Republican candidate, and how many will not.


    You see the treatment Lindsey Graham got and you realise that there is a cohort of Trump supporters for whom it's Trump or nothing, and who see Republican politicians who don't unconditionally support Trump as the enemy as much as anybody else.



    The Republicans have to be concerned about Trump, or maybe a member of the family, running as an independent and slicing off say 10 million votes.


  • #7036
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,031 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

    From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"



    They will yeah...

    Was that the laptop that he lost?


  • #7037
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Their "problem" is that he is still massively massively popular with GOP Voters and most of them still think he should be President

    Not an iota for sympathy for the place they have put themselves into , but even if they wanted to (and there's little evidence that they do) how do they untangle themselves from Trump and his fantasies with Polling data like that??
    The GOP will be sh1tting themselves now.

    If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

    If they exclude the Trumps, and a new fascist party emerges, then the right wing vote in 2024 might be cleft down the middle and nobody has a hope of beating the Democrats for about 20 years. The GOP themselves might be wiped out if team Trump keeps marching on and hoovering up right-wing votes.

    The GOP's only hope at salvaging this might be agreeing to widespread electoral reform such as abandoning the electoral college and having uniform voting rules and procedures across all states.

    Tactics of gerrymandering and voter suppression will be used against the GOP to severe effect if a significant amout of voters jump to a new party.


  • #7038
    Dillonb3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Dillonb3


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

    From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"



    They will yeah...

    Didn't he admit on air recently that he doesn't vet his sources


  • #7039
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,057 ✭✭✭✭briany


    seamus wrote: »

    If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

    And if they commit to Hawley, they're also committing to a man who looks too much like Ryan Tubridy for me, or anyone, to really be comfortable with...


  • #7040
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,112 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    seamus wrote: »
    The GOP will be sh1tting themselves now.

    If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

    If they exclude the Trumps, and a new fascist party emerges, then the right wing vote in 2024 might be cleft down the middle and nobody has a hope of beating the Democrats for about 20 years. The GOP themselves might be wiped out if team Trump keeps marching on and hoovering up right-wing votes.

    The GOP's only hope at salvaging this might be agreeing to widespread electoral reform such as abandoning the electoral college and having uniform voting rules and procedures across all states.

    Tactics of gerrymandering and voter suppression will be used against the GOP to severe effect if a significant amout of voters jump to a new party.

    Frankenstein- meet monster

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #7041
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    everlast75 wrote: »
    We are probably due a caravan travelling up from the South soon too

    Seeing your post reminds me of the speech he gave just before the idiots invaded the capitol building, He actually mentioned that a caravan was building and was almost ready to depart for the southern border. With everything going on that day it slipped my mind until now.


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  • #7042
    livia21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭livia21


    where is Mark Meadow's ?

    Don jr said he was a "true fighter"


  • #7043
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    flazio wrote: »
    If any Capitol employee, be they politicians or staff dies from Covid related illness in the next few weeks, it should be added to the 5 deaths so far from the storming.

    'from' or 'with'?


  • #7044
    randd1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭randd1


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

    Hannity. The man, like Rudy, has taken to wearing fake tan. It says all you need to know.

    He's basically Q-Anon light.


  • #7045
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

    From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"



    They will yeah...

    Sure Hannity isn't a reporter though even his employer (Fox) admitted in court that he is an entertainer. Pity so many Americans take his shìt spitting seriously though.


  • #7046
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    seamus wrote: »
    The GOP will be sh1tting themselves now.

    If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

    If they exclude the Trumps, and a new fascist party emerges, then the right wing vote in 2024 might be cleft down the middle and nobody has a hope of beating the Democrats for about 20 years. The GOP themselves might be wiped out if team Trump keeps marching on and hoovering up right-wing votes.

    The GOP's only hope at salvaging this might be agreeing to widespread electoral reform such as abandoning the electoral college and having uniform voting rules and procedures across all states.

    Tactics of gerrymandering and voter suppression will be used against the GOP to severe effect if a significant amout of voters jump to a new party.

    The risk isn't a new party per se , the US system makes that almost impossible to get off the ground.

    The risk is a bunch of loons standing in the primaries against more vanilla GOP incumbents.

    One of two things happen - The Loon wins and hands the seat to the Democrats in the main election a la Doug Jones in Alabama or they don't win but they force the winning candidate to shift sufficiently over to the looney fringe to defeat them in the primary that they put the seat in play in a big way.

    A Trump will not run as an independent - ever , they'd have to spend their own money to do that. And they'd know that they wouldn't have a chance of wining.

    Not matter what happens , Donald himself will never run for office again , the sheer naked terror of losing again will prevent him from doing so.

    Ivanka or Don Jr *might* give it a go at some point in the future , but it's extremely hard to see how or where they might try.

    Neither of them are capable of running for POTUS , they have absolutely none of the elements that got Daddy elected.

    I also don't think that either of them are capable of winning a Senate seat or a Governorship either.

    They'd probably be able to walk into a safe GOP House seat somewhere , but I don't see either of them being interested in that.

    They wouldn't be running to "serve" , they'd be running for status and power - Neither of which they'd get from winning a cake-walk House seat.

    So , in short - No Trump will ever hold office again.

    That's not to say that they won't be politically influential for the next few years , they probably will but they will never run for Election.


  • #7047
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    partyguinness wrote: »
    She isn't even Jewish- she 'converted' so she could marry the 'still waiting to shave' Kushner.




    Not relevant at all to thread, but for anyone who hasn't seen them, I think that the spitting image pisstakes on Kushner are very funny. (I won't post the link but you can see on youtube)


  • #7048
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,057 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Sure Hannity isn't a reporter though even his employer (Fox) admitted in court that he is an entertainer. Pity so many Americans take his shìt spitting seriously though.

    This is a problem with news in general. The news used to be a guy behind a desk dryly reporting the events of the day. Now, your 24 hour channels allow for endless editorial comment and punditry.


  • #7049
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,112 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    livia21 wrote: »
    where is Mark Meadow's ?

    Don jr said he was a "true fighter"

    Busy committing criminal offences on the phone to state officials no doubt

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #7050
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Does star of ratings topper "The Apprentice" count as holding office?


    If not, then there was a recent one anyway
    I obviously wasn't including Trump in that.


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  • #7051
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

    Would Eisenhower count as modern enough? Did he stand for any political position before president?


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