Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

osarusan · 12-01-2021 12:15PM

The Nal wrote: »

The GOP have the perfect opportunity now to rid themselves of Trump and ensure he doesn't threaten them in 2024, but they won't, for some weird reason. Parts of that party are like a cult now.

The question is, how many Trump supporters will still support another Republican candidate, and how many will not.

You see the treatment Lindsey Graham got and you realise that there is a cohort of Trump supporters for whom it's Trump or nothing, and who see Republican politicians who don't unconditionally support Trump as the enemy as much as anybody else.

The Republicans have to be concerned about Trump, or maybe a member of the family, running as an independent and slicing off say 10 million votes.

duploelabs · 12-01-2021 12:17PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"

They will yeah...

Was that the laptop that he lost?

seamus · 12-01-2021 12:22PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Their "problem" is that he is still massively massively popular with GOP Voters and most of them still think he should be President

Not an iota for sympathy for the place they have put themselves into , but even if they wanted to (and there's little evidence that they do) how do they untangle themselves from Trump and his fantasies with Polling data like that??

The GOP will be sh1tting themselves now.

If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

If they exclude the Trumps, and a new fascist party emerges, then the right wing vote in 2024 might be cleft down the middle and nobody has a hope of beating the Democrats for about 20 years. The GOP themselves might be wiped out if team Trump keeps marching on and hoovering up right-wing votes.

The GOP's only hope at salvaging this might be agreeing to widespread electoral reform such as abandoning the electoral college and having uniform voting rules and procedures across all states.

Tactics of gerrymandering and voter suppression will be used against the GOP to severe effect if a significant amout of voters jump to a new party.

Dillonb3 · 12-01-2021 12:25PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"

They will yeah...

Didn't he admit on air recently that he doesn't vet his sources

briany · 12-01-2021 12:26PM

seamus wrote: »

If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

And if they commit to Hawley, they're also committing to a man who looks too much like Ryan Tubridy for me, or anyone, to really be comfortable with...

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 12:26PM

seamus wrote: »

The GOP will be sh1tting themselves now.

If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

If they exclude the Trumps, and a new fascist party emerges, then the right wing vote in 2024 might be cleft down the middle and nobody has a hope of beating the Democrats for about 20 years. The GOP themselves might be wiped out if team Trump keeps marching on and hoovering up right-wing votes.

The GOP's only hope at salvaging this might be agreeing to widespread electoral reform such as abandoning the electoral college and having uniform voting rules and procedures across all states.

Tactics of gerrymandering and voter suppression will be used against the GOP to severe effect if a significant amout of voters jump to a new party.

Frankenstein- meet monster

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-01-2021 12:26PM

everlast75 wrote: »

We are probably due a caravan travelling up from the South soon too

Seeing your post reminds me of the speech he gave just before the idiots invaded the capitol building, He actually mentioned that a caravan was building and was almost ready to depart for the southern border. With everything going on that day it slipped my mind until now.

livia21 · 12-01-2021 12:27PM

where is Mark Meadow's ?

Don jr said he was a "true fighter"

Quantum Erasure · 12-01-2021 12:31PM

flazio wrote: »

If any Capitol employee, be they politicians or staff dies from Covid related illness in the next few weeks, it should be added to the 5 deaths so far from the storming.

'from' or 'with'?

randd1 · 12-01-2021 12:36PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

Hannity. The man, like Rudy, has taken to wearing fake tan. It says all you need to know.

He's basically Q-Anon light.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-01-2021 12:38PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"

They will yeah...

Sure Hannity isn't a reporter though even his employer (Fox) admitted in court that he is an entertainer. Pity so many Americans take his shìt spitting seriously though.

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 12:43PM

seamus wrote: »

The GOP will be sh1tting themselves now.

If they run a candidate like Ivanka or Hawley, then they're committing fully to fascism and erasing any tenuous link to the ideals of the original founders.

If they exclude the Trumps, and a new fascist party emerges, then the right wing vote in 2024 might be cleft down the middle and nobody has a hope of beating the Democrats for about 20 years. The GOP themselves might be wiped out if team Trump keeps marching on and hoovering up right-wing votes.

The GOP's only hope at salvaging this might be agreeing to widespread electoral reform such as abandoning the electoral college and having uniform voting rules and procedures across all states.

Tactics of gerrymandering and voter suppression will be used against the GOP to severe effect if a significant amout of voters jump to a new party.

The risk isn't a new party per se , the US system makes that almost impossible to get off the ground.

The risk is a bunch of loons standing in the primaries against more vanilla GOP incumbents.

One of two things happen - The Loon wins and hands the seat to the Democrats in the main election a la Doug Jones in Alabama or they don't win but they force the winning candidate to shift sufficiently over to the looney fringe to defeat them in the primary that they put the seat in play in a big way.

A Trump will not run as an independent - ever , they'd have to spend their own money to do that. And they'd know that they wouldn't have a chance of wining.

Not matter what happens , Donald himself will never run for office again , the sheer naked terror of losing again will prevent him from doing so.

Ivanka or Don Jr *might* give it a go at some point in the future , but it's extremely hard to see how or where they might try.

Neither of them are capable of running for POTUS , they have absolutely none of the elements that got Daddy elected.

I also don't think that either of them are capable of winning a Senate seat or a Governorship either.

They'd probably be able to walk into a safe GOP House seat somewhere , but I don't see either of them being interested in that.

They wouldn't be running to "serve" , they'd be running for status and power - Neither of which they'd get from winning a cake-walk House seat.

So , in short - No Trump will ever hold office again.

That's not to say that they won't be politically influential for the next few years , they probably will but they will never run for Election.

Donald Trump · 12-01-2021 12:47PM

partyguinness wrote: »

She isn't even Jewish- she 'converted' so she could marry the 'still waiting to shave' Kushner.

Not relevant at all to thread, but for anyone who hasn't seen them, I think that the spitting image pisstakes on Kushner are very funny. (I won't post the link but you can see on youtube)

briany · 12-01-2021 12:53PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Sure Hannity isn't a reporter though even his employer (Fox) admitted in court that he is an entertainer. Pity so many Americans take his shìt spitting seriously though.

This is a problem with news in general. The news used to be a guy behind a desk dryly reporting the events of the day. Now, your 24 hour channels allow for endless editorial comment and punditry.

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 12:54PM

livia21 wrote: »

where is Mark Meadow's ?

Don jr said he was a "true fighter"

Busy committing criminal offences on the phone to state officials no doubt

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2021 12:58PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Does star of ratings topper "The Apprentice" count as holding office?

If not, then there was a recent one anyway

I obviously wasn't including Trump in that.

robinph · 12-01-2021 01:01PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

Would Eisenhower count as modern enough? Did he stand for any political position before president?

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 01:03PM

A great thread...

https://twitter.com/jules_su/status/1348879180658860032?s=19

Dempo1 · 12-01-2021 01:07PM

No sure if posted previously but you've got to watch Morning Joe on MSNBC, not your typical us network show and it's fair to say it's presenters seething over what's happened, also fair to say there's history between the Shows hosts and trump. It's a riveting watch

https://youtu.be/AREpAuOXC60

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 01:09PM

https://twitter.com/rossgarber/status/1348980124696391680?s=19

12-01-2021 01:13PM

robinph wrote: »

Would Eisenhower count as modern enough? Did he stand for any political position before president?

Closest he came to having one was serving as military governor of Germany.

Drumpot · 12-01-2021 01:14PM

When you think about it on a very simple level, how the f**k is this even a debate? He was on TV for years saying he could only lose a democraticly run election if he is cheated. He never accepted the result. People close to him were concerned he wasn’t going to leave quietly or peacefully. And it’s actually hard to not qualify what happened as a coup attempt last week given what we know.

Seems like people can’t grasp the severity of what happened. It’s crazy. He’s not any shred of evidence and he’s causing riots. I suppose when you look at how America ignores its culture of systematic racism it shouldn’t surprise me. But I think what happened last week is far bigger and potentially far more damaging long term to USA then most have factored in.

12-01-2021 01:16PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Sure Hannity isn't a reporter though even his employer (Fox) admitted in court that he is an entertainer. Pity so many Americans take his shìt spitting seriously though.

He's about one step up from an online conspiracy theorist, and that's being generous to him.

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 01:20PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

It's awful.stuff but Pelosi doesn't help things either. She's the wrong person to have speaking out. The Dems really need somebody else leading Congress.

https://twitter.com/RepWillBailey/status/1348774981560369154?s=19

100% right

namloc1980 · 12-01-2021 01:22PM

everlast75 wrote: »

We are probably due a caravan travelling up from the South soon too

Before the 2018 election the Republicans were screaming about the caravans - day after the election we heard no more until, funnily enough Trump actually mentioned the caravans in his speech last Wednesday:

But now the caravans, they think Biden’s getting in, the caravans are forming again. They want to come in again and rip off our country. Can’t let it happen.

tigger123 · 12-01-2021 01:24PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rossgarber/status/1348980124696391680?s=19

How many (estimate) would be required from the Republican side to actually achieve impeachment?

Leroy42 · 12-01-2021 01:25PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RepWillBailey/status/1348774981560369154?s=19

Ouch, that is some burn from Pelosi.

VinLieger · 12-01-2021 01:27PM

tigger123 wrote: »

How many (estimate) would be required from the Republican side to actually achieve impeachment?

They have the votes in the house to Impeach which is a simple majority, however it needs 2/3rds majority in the senate to convict.

astrofool · 12-01-2021 01:29PM

tigger123 wrote: »

How many (estimate) would be required from the Republican side to actually achieve impeachment?

16 isn't it? (66 total needed).

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-01-2021 01:34PM

Apologies if this has been posted already I've been skipping past pages!

An op-ed from Fiona Hill, she was a witness in trump's first impeachment hearings.. She walks you through the steps that led to last Wednesday.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/11/capitol-riot-self-coup-trump-fiona-hill-457549

Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

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