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everlast75 · 12-01-2021 09:43AM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Another company that could have ceased business at any time, but picks this bandwagon to jump on.

Trump has 8 days left of his presidency, why didn't they make this statement before now?

This cannot be a coincidence

From the NYT Dec 22

"Trump's longtime banker at Deutsche Bank resigns"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/business/trump-deutsche-bank-rosemary-vrablic.amp.html

briany · 12-01-2021 09:59AM

everlast75 wrote: »

The idea that her or Don pose any possibility of becoming the nominee in 2024 is absolutely not going to ****ing happen, for a multitude of reasons, including that she is a woman.

Trump, for all his flaws, has a charisma which works on the weak minded. Ivanka and Don absolutely do not.

Neither one of them can hold a room.

Neither one of them have the illusion of being self made business mogul.

Neither one of them will have the national enquirer or other resources trump utilised in 2016.

Neither one of them will be running against a manifestly hated character like Hillary Clinton.

No how, no way.

And all of the above is without what will happen to the Trump name over the next year or two.

I can see why someone may instinctively fear it, but it does not in any way, become a possibility once it is considered for a short period of time.

If Donald Trump cannot run for the 2024 election, and the reason is not being in prison, dead, or otherwise incapacitated, then I would expect him to endorse either Ivanka or Don Jr. for Republican nominee.

Now, I fully agree with you on your opinion that Ivanka and Don Jr. are pretty much without charisma, and what attraction they do possess comes from their connections and money rather than emanating from their persons, and they would stand noooo chance of getting anywhere near a nomination - by themselves, but I would have to think that in the aforementioned case, they, and their dad, would make it perfectly clear that Don or Ivanka were proxy candidates, or as clear as they could without violating any statute which exists to prevent the practice. The message would be, "If you want 4 more years of Donald Trump, vote for me." Maybe not as blatant as that, but that would be the idea.

But even besides that, whoever wants to run for Republican nominee needs to court that Trump base, and this illustrates what a long shadow he's going to cast over the party, that his 'ideals' and potential endorsement will make or break candidates.

ArmaniJeanss · 12-01-2021 10:10AM

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Why would anyone think republicans would give Ivanka a platform to run for president?

Isn't it a factor of the primary system that they can't really stop her, or indeed anyone?
In much the same way that DJT once had very little support in the top levels of the party itself, but the party members kept voting for him and he won the nomination.
So unless there's a mechanism to prevent her getting on the New Hampshire/Iowa ballots in February 2024?

The Inbetween is mine · 12-01-2021 10:21AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Isn't it a factor of the primary system that they can't really stop her, or indeed anyone?
In much the same way that DJT once had very little support in the top levels of the party itself, but the party members kept voting for him and he won the nomination.
So unless there's a mechanism to prevent her getting on the New Hampshire/Iowa ballots in February 2024?

In order to run for president on a republican ticket, she would have to seek a party nomination...I would hope that is where her attempt would immediately fall

super_furry · 12-01-2021 10:24AM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Another company that could have ceased business at any time, but picks this bandwagon to jump on.

Trump has 8 days left of his presidency, why didn't they make this statement before now?

They did, it was decided months ago, they're just waiting for him to leave the White House. - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-deutsche-bank-exclusive/exclusive-tired-of-trump-deutsche-bank-games-ways-to-sever-ties-with-the-president-sources-idUSKBN27J0G0

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-01-2021 10:29AM

Not only was it a terrorist event last Wednesday, possibly a superspreader event on top of it..

https://twitter.com/RepJayapal/status/1348871117407203328?s=19

I seen headlines the other day of a female Rep trying to hand out face masks to Republicans and being laughed at while they refuse to take a face mask.

ArmaniJeanss · 12-01-2021 10:30AM

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

In order to run for president on a republican ticket, she would have to seek a party nomination...I would hope that is where her attempt would immediately fall

Do you need a nomination before the primaries though (i.e., in order to get onto the ballot in New Hampshire & Iowa and the other early voting states).
Or is the 'nomination' you refer to what happens at Congress?
Because I think if you've swept the primaries, they'd find it very difficult politically not to nominate you at Congress.

Leroy42 · 12-01-2021 10:44AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Isn't it a factor of the primary system that they can't really stop her, or indeed anyone?
In much the same way that DJT once had very little support in the top levels of the party itself, but the party members kept voting for him and he won the nomination.
So unless there's a mechanism to prevent her getting on the New Hampshire/Iowa ballots in February 2024?

While technically she can of course both run for and become POTUS, there are a number of issues that are going to go against her.

First is that she isn't her father. Whatever else can be said about Trump, he has a certain air about him, a confidence and a connection to people. Charisma. Ivanka doesn't have it. She has been PR to death. Ivanka is simply to stilted and robotic. SHe has tried to maintain this balance of being something to everyone. Which is fine when you are in the background.

She is a woman. It matters less than before no doubt, and Harris could be running so it might not be any issue, but it could count against her.

If the GOP decided that the best way to go forward is to drift away from Trump, which the signs point to, then Ivanka is going to find it very hard to be welcomed. Trump himself was nominated by Jeff Sessions, it won't be lost on GOP'ers that Sessions ended up losing badly out of that. WHo will want to be the first to put their hands up?

Depending on what happens legally over the next few years, the Trump name could very well be toxic. Not just Donald, but the whole Trump name.

Ivanka stood by when her father did what he did the last few years. She never stood in, never raised a question, never showed her opposition. She had nothing at all to say about the Covid catastrophe unfolding in front of her eyes.

Ivanka is simply to stilted and robotic

The Raging Bile Duct · 12-01-2021 10:56AM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Another company that could have ceased business at any time, but picks this bandwagon to jump on.

Trump has 8 days left of his presidency, why didn't they make this statement before now?

This has been going on in the background for a couple of months. They aren't making their decision based on what happened at the Capitol on Wednesday.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2020/11/03/deutsche-bank-eager-to-dump-340-million-in-loans-to-trump-businesses-after-election/?sh=1ffcc90423c0

Christy42 · 12-01-2021 11:02AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

While technically she can of course both run for and become POTUS, there are a number of issues that are going to go against her.

First is that she isn't her father. Whatever else can be said about Trump, he has a certain air about him, a confidence and a connection to people. Charisma. Ivanka doesn't have it. She has been PR to death. Ivanka is simply to stilted and robotic. SHe has tried to maintain this balance of being something to everyone. Which is fine when you are in the background.

She is a woman. It matters less than before no doubt, and Harris could be running so it might not be any issue, but it could count against her.

If the GOP decided that the best way to go forward is to drift away from Trump, which the signs point to, then Ivanka is going to find it very hard to be welcomed. Trump himself was nominated by Jeff Sessions, it won't be lost on GOP'ers that Sessions ended up losing badly out of that. WHo will want to be the first to put their hands up?

Depending on what happens legally over the next few years, the Trump name could very well be toxic. Not just Donald, but the whole Trump name.

Ivanka stood by when her father did what he did the last few years. She never stood in, never raised a question, never showed her opposition. She had nothing at all to say about the Covid catastrophe unfolding in front of her eyes.

Ivanka is simply to stilted and robotic

The issue with Ivanka vs Kamala isn't that people will vote for Harris over her. It is that it will naturally depress the Republican voting turnout without having as strong an effect on the more liberal Democrat base. Remember a strong theme of the Trump cult is talking about his role as a strong man, the peak of masculinity etc. etc.

Plus how hard is it to convince nazis to go out and vote for a Jewish woman? Nazis might not be the majority of the Republican party but they are significant enough to lose them an election if they don't vote.

Republicans seem to have little shot at winning the popular vote and really need a high turnout from their base to win the electoral college.

Donald Trump · 12-01-2021 11:20AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Ivanka is simply to stilted and robotic

Don't try to convince us that you wouldn't want to date her if she was your daughter!

On a serious note, what have you observed in the last few years of US politics that would lead one to believe that US people tend to vote on ability? Within the parties there is probably some thought put into selecting candidates at some levels, but once the badge is applied, for major elections, that is what drives the majority of the votes.

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 11:24AM

Christy42 wrote: »

The issue with Ivanka vs Kamala isn't that people will vote for Harris over her. It is that it will naturally depress the Republican voting turnout without having as strong an effect on the more liberal Democrat base. Remember a strong theme of the Trump cult is talking about his role as a strong man, the peak of masculinity etc. etc.

Plus how hard is it to convince nazis to go out and vote for a Jewish woman? Nazis might not be the majority of the Republican party but they are significant enough to lose them an election if they don't vote.

Republicans seem to have little shot at winning the popular vote and really need a high turnout from their base to win the electoral college.

Without a dramatic change in their policies the GOP will never win the National popular vote again.

However the advantage conferred on them by the Electoral College increases each cycle - As more and more people move to the large urban centres and away from the largely Rural/Small town smaller states (population wise).

Statistical analysis shows that the Democrats need to win 52% of the National vote to get to a 50:50 chance of winning the White House.

The GOP are still in with a decent shot even if they lose the popular vote for ~4%, which is 5 or 6 million votes!!

So , they are utterly reliant on the White , Non College educated Rural voter.

They are essential for the GOP to take the smaller mid-western & southern States.

So for WH races at least , they will pander to that particular cohort heavily. And they LOVE Trump and all that he stands for.

flazio · 12-01-2021 11:25AM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Not only was it a terrorist event last Wednesday, possibly a superspreader event on top of it..

https://twitter.com/RepJayapal/status/1348871117407203328?s=19

I seen headlines the other day of a female Rep trying to hand out face masks to Republicans and being laughed at while they refuse to take a face mask.

If any Capitol employee, be they politicians or staff dies from Covid related illness in the next few weeks, it should be added to the 5 deaths so far from the storming.

FreudianSlippers · 12-01-2021 11:25AM

Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

Donald Trump · 12-01-2021 11:28AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

Does star of ratings topper "The Apprentice" count as holding office?

If not, then there was a recent one anyway

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 11:28AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

Other than Trump himself - No.

Every single one of them was a Governor, Senator or Congress Person.

At least for those winning the nomination , there have been several in the Primary phase though - Carly Fiorina for example in 2016.

The Raging Bile Duct · 12-01-2021 11:29AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running?

Eh, Trump?

listermint · 12-01-2021 11:31AM

briany wrote: »

If Donald Trump cannot run for the 2024 election, and the reason is not being in prison, dead, or otherwise incapacitated, then I would expect him to endorse either Ivanka or Don Jr. for Republican nominee.

Now, I fully agree with you on your opinion that Ivanka and Don Jr. are pretty much without charisma, and what attraction they do possess comes from their connections and money rather than emanating from their persons, and they would stand noooo chance of getting anywhere near a nomination - by themselves, but I would have to think that in the aforementioned case, they, and their dad, would make it perfectly clear that Don or Ivanka were proxy candidates, or as clear as they could without violating any statute which exists to prevent the practice. The message would be, "If you want 4 more years of Donald Trump, vote for me." Maybe not as blatant as that, but that would be the idea.

But even besides that, whoever wants to run for Republican nominee needs to court that Trump base, and this illustrates what a long shadow he's going to cast over the party, that his 'ideals' and potential endorsement will make or break candidates.

Not happening , the stink that's going to come off the trump name this year will be undeniable.

I fully expect people to forget or deny ever voting for him.

You will see walk backs all over the place. And I fully expect lids to be lifted everywhere on things that were surpressed by his lackeys in multiple departments.

Save this post we can review it as the secrets come out.

jill_valentine · 12-01-2021 11:31AM

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1348815908597362691

This will affect the Proud Boys in particular, who have used GFM to support and move a number of essentially professional rioters, guys who don't have to worry about losing jobs because less upfront PBs are sponsoring them.

Edit - though it's worth saying they've moved a lot of their fundraising lately to a "Christian" GoFundMe alternative platform recently.

The Nal · 12-01-2021 11:33AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

Apart from Trump, no. Up until 2016 all campaigns were ran mainly on issues. Lee Atwater started the dirty tricks in the 84 election and they've become increasingly worse since then to the point where Trump didn't really need to run on issues. Just a few chants and catchphrases while slagging loads of people off.

briany · 12-01-2021 11:37AM

If Ivanka did run, she could use the slogan, "I'm Ivanka Trump, and I always do what my daddy tells me to."

Cienciano · 12-01-2021 11:40AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Has any modern Presidential candidate not held any office prior to running? I don't think Ivanka is even remotely a viable 2024 candidate this late in the game.

A lot of Trump supporters are extremely anti semetic, Ivanka doesn't have a hope because she's Jewish. She's too left for the right and too right for the left.

The Nal · 12-01-2021 11:43AM

Cienciano wrote: »

A lot of Trump supporters are extremely anti semetic, Ivanka doesn't have a hope because she's Jewish. She's too left for the right and too right for the left.

Converted though, not the same in their eyes.

The GOP have the perfect opportunity now to rid themselves of Trump and ensure he doesn't threaten them in 2024, but they won't, for some weird reason. Parts of that party are like a cult now.

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 11:45AM

briany wrote: »

If Ivanka did run, she could use the slogan, "I'm Ivanka Trump, and I always do what my daddy tells me to."

Ivanka won't run for the WH directly.

Prior to the latest sh!t storm I suspect she was planning to have a go at taking a Senate seat in Florida (hence the move to Florida) , now though she hasn't a hope.

If she won the Primary she'd absolutely put the seat hugely in play for the Democrats.

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 11:51AM

The Nal wrote: »

Converted though, not the same in their eyes.

The GOP have the perfect opportunity now to rid themselves of Trump and ensure he doesn't threaten them in 2024, but they won't, for some weird reason. Parts of that party are like a cult now.

Their "problem" is that he is still massively massively popular with GOP Voters and most of them still think he should be President

In a survey fielded in the days after a group of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the US Capitol (January 8 to 11), 72 percent of likely Republican voters said they continue to question the presidential election results. Nearly three-quarters of Republicans, or 74 percent, said allegations of voter fraud have contributed to these concerns. Those are overwhelming majorities, but even among independents, 42 percent said they do not currently trust the election results.

The GOP is more split on the presidential transition, with 49 percent of Republicans saying they have doubts about the election outcome and oppose Biden’s inauguration, 29 percent saying they still have doubts about the outcome but believe Biden should be inaugurated, and 16 percent saying they trust the election results and think Biden should be inaugurated. A total of 1,233 likely voters were polled for the survey, which has a margin of error of 2.8 percentage points.

Not an iota for sympathy for the place they have put themselves into , but even if they wanted to (and there's little evidence that they do) how do they untangle themselves from Trump and his fantasies with Polling data like that??

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 12:06PM

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"

Fox News prime-time host Sean Hannity said Monday that the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop will "shock the soul of the nation," citing "numerous credible sources" close to the matter.

They will yeah...

briany · 12-01-2021 12:08PM

If you look real close at the pictures of the rioters who Trump wound up on Wednesday, you can see Hunter Biden in approximately none of them.

Christy42 · 12-01-2021 12:10PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"

They will yeah...

I am sure plenty will point out that this sort of stuff doesn't foster unity in the US and is just driving divisions.

partyguinness · 12-01-2021 12:11PM

Cienciano wrote: »

A lot of Trump supporters are extremely anti semetic, Ivanka doesn't have a hope because she's Jewish. She's too left for the right and too right for the left.

You are being very very generous.

Ivanka Trump is nothing. Left, right or centre. Pure self serving ego and promotion. She isn't even Jewish- she 'converted' so she could marry the 'still waiting to shave' Kushner. Even that tells you how flexible she is- no convictions whatsoever like Daddy.

Anyway, most of the crazy GOPs believe that Jews are running the world. The Democrats are the natural home for the Jewish vote.

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 12:15PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sean Hannity shouts Squirrel!!!

From the man that brought you the Seth Rich "blockbuster"

They will yeah...

We are probably due a caravan travelling up from the South soon too

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