Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Carfacemandog · 12-01-2021 03:09AM

JJayoo wrote: »

There were rallys everyday up until this protest and there were no issues. I am on about the pro trump rallys/protests since he lost the election. I am not on about the pro trump dip****s that would show up looking to fight at the BLM protests.

posted in response to you earlier (post 9377), though you may have missed it since it's a busy thread.....

Genuine question: who told you that?

Proud Boys leader arrested for violence and vandalizing church property, in DC no less, the day before the Jan 6th terror attack: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/proud-boys-enrique-tarrio-arrest/2021/01/04/8642a76a-4edf-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html

And just three days before that trump supporters and antifa again got in a violent clash that saw 4 stabbed and 1 shot - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/12/us/4-stabbed-and-one-shot-as-trump-supporters-and-opponents-clash.html

That's two incidents that should have escalated policing, at least one of which was after nightfall, both within DC, and I only had to go back less than 100 hours from the storming of the Capitol building to find them.

Dohnjoe · 12-01-2021 03:09AM

NSAman wrote: »

No it’s not. Leaking information to CNN only? If it’s a credible threat, they tell all news outlets!...sheezzz..CNN are a **** “news” channel.

If you believe CNN there is no point in debating you. I don’t watch news here as it is all partisan and party affiliated.

Talk to ordinary people and you will get a proper feel for what they think.CNN, FOX etc are all crap and report anything but the way ordinary people feel.

It was first sent to ABC, who reported it. Perhaps read the story.

NSAman · 12-01-2021 03:13AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It was first sent to ABC, who reported it. Perhaps read the story.

Funny nothing about it on the abc news at all. Mind you just in from work so didnt see the evening news. Will see later if it’s on.

Dohnjoe · 12-01-2021 03:19AM

NSAman wrote: »

Funny nothing about it on the abc news at all. Mind you just in from work so didnt see the evening news. Will see later if it’s on.

ABC
https://abcnews.go.com/US/armed-protests-planned-50-state-capitols-fbi-bulletin/story?id=75179771&cid=social_twitter_abcn

NBC
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/fbi-warn-of-possible-armed-protest-at-50-state-capitols/2277924/

Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-inauguration/fbi-warns-of-armed-protests-ahead-of-inauguration-idUSKBN29G0Q5

AP
https://apnews.com/article/state-capitols-security-e9fd42d72e7c0a150fd2dca9347be87d

NSAman · 12-01-2021 04:01AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

ABC
https://abcnews.go.com/US/armed-protests-planned-50-state-capitols-fbi-bulletin/story?id=75179771&cid=social_twitter_abcn

NBC
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/fbi-warn-of-possible-armed-protest-at-50-state-capitols/2277924/

Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-inauguration/fbi-warns-of-armed-protests-ahead-of-inauguration-idUSKBN29G0Q5

AP
https://apnews.com/article/state-capitols-security-e9fd42d72e7c0a150fd2dca9347be87d

Thanks for that. So it’s a warning bulletin. Slightly different than what was originally stated. Even the Boston report says the fbi there have no intelligence on Massachusetts plans.

Homeland security and the FBI do this the whole time.

Well, inauguration will be a unifying event in this country... NOT!..:)

Never seen a country so polarised.. while I personally can understand both sides, I find it incredible that common sense on both sides has gone out the window.

SpacialNeeds · 12-01-2021 04:05AM

I didn't fully realise until now how daft the second amendment is, in the context of a country which consistently underfunds its education system.

How easy has it been for this rich tyrannical sociopath to deceive these angry, badly-treated, ARMED poor people into thinking he's on their side.

In a way, it kind of makes me see their side of it. They've been treated like shjt by the democratic processes they're trying to fight back against. The media have been complicit in propping up the political system that beats them down. Top it off with the fact that they're not black so they don't get any sympathy for their terrible miserable existence.

I kind of get it now. Not saying any of it is right, but I can see their perspective and the whole thing just sucks.

Tell me how · 12-01-2021 04:19AM

NSAman wrote: »

Thanks for that. So it’s a warning bulletin. Slightly different than what was originally stated. Even the Boston report says the fbi there have no intelligence on Massachusetts plans.

Homeland security and the FBI do this the whole time.

Well, inauguration will be a unifying event in this country... NOT!..:)

Never seen a country so polarised.. while I personally can understand both sides, I find it incredible that common sense on both sides has gone out the window.

Can you give an example of what you mean by common sense on the left going out the window?

I'm seeing a whole lot of revisionism and 'let's come together' from conservatives in the last week but as we saw even after the events of last Wednesday, many republicans still voted to object to the counting of the electoral college votes.

We have all seen this escalate to this point from Trump's 'Stand back and stand by' his attempt to impact on mail in ballots being counted while making pre-emptive accusations about how those votes would be counted, his refusal to say that he would accept the result if he lost, and then what has gone on since the election which is off the charts in how devoid of logic it has been culminating in last weeks events, which will only get worse when we see future documentaries which will piece together the full sequence of events, actions behind the scenes and the incitement which went on at Trumps Rally on Wednesday morning.

At this point, I'm very wary of people using the 'both sides' line, not you specifically as I see it as trying to absolve people from their responsibilities.

aloyisious · 12-01-2021 04:30AM

On the lines of disinformation [which I dislike strongly as anti-social and divisive] some propagandist has mentioned that Trump will be visiting the Alamo site in Texas. However, its worth noting according to the White House, Trump Tuesday will visit the small town of Alamo, Texas, located in the Rio Grande Valley, to tour the border barrier, and not to the Alamo Fort so beloved of Texan and hardline U.S citizens as a definition of U.S nationality.

From the Presidents official White House visit itinerary; This is not to be confused with the Alamo Mission, the mission and fortress compound located in San Antonio, Texas. “President Trump is expected to travel to Alamo, Texas, on Tuesday to mark the completion of more than 400 miles of border wall — a promise made, promise kept — and his Administration’s efforts to reform our broken immigration system,” the White House said in an email to the McAllen Monitor.

IMO, this latest attempt to divide the U.S as a nation equals the sick attempts used by Trump for electoral gain and should be called to account despite the not so random choice of named towns to be visited by Trump.

NSAman · 12-01-2021 04:48AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Can you give an example of what you mean by common sense on the left going out the window?

I'm seeing a whole lot of revisionism and 'let's come together' from conservatives in the last week but as we saw even after the events of last Wednesday, many republicans still voted to object to the counting of the electoral college votes.

We have all seen this escalate to this point from Trump's 'Stand back and stand by' his attempt to impact on mail in ballots being counted while making pre-emptive accusations about how those votes would be counted, his refusal to say that he would accept the result if he lost, and then what has gone on since the election which is off the charts in how devoid of logic it has been culminating in last weeks events, which will only get worse when we see future documentaries which will piece together the full sequence of events, actions behind the scenes and the incitement which went on at Trumps Rally on Wednesday morning.

At this point, I'm very wary of people using the 'both sides' line, not you specifically as I see it as trying to absolve people from their responsibilities.

For me, both sides are hypocritical.

DEMS for saying peaceful protests all summer. Which as anyone living in the states will know is total BS.

Win the election and then claim you are unifying people. All the time inciting people by trying to remove a sitting president (70 million,people voted for the guy). I have little interest in either side to be honest, but the Dems have to realise that impeachment and removal (he is nuts) will incite more violence.

Dems have not been pushed in interviews at all, Biden gets a soft ride as he is hidden and protected most of the time. I don’t think the guy is a good candidate at all and I will be surprised if he lasts 4 years. His health is obviously in question..so why choose him?

60 minutes interviewed Nancy the other evening. She didn’t come across well in my humble opinion.

I am loath to use left and right. I am in the middle as many of my neighbours are too. Most would be Democrats, they would be of the same opinion of the Democratic Party as myself. They only voted Biden to get trump out.

Where I live is totally Republican (it’s a weird little place)I am in business so I hear a lot of worries from business people about democratic policies. I can understand their side too.

As someone who never declares a side in politics (mainly because not one of the candidates was Centerist locally) it gets mighty interesting when the subject of politics arises. I have never seen people talk to each other like they “talk” to each other here in the States.

This will not be resolved easily. I personally don’t believe Biden has the ability to unify this country. I honestly think both parties have played a massive part in what has happened. The Press is complicit (again on both sides) but ultimately the American population is not using common sense.

I am seriously worried about this country....first time I have not felt safe here.

Tell me how · 12-01-2021 05:02AM

NSAman wrote: »

For me, both sides are hypocritical.

DEMS for saying peaceful protests all summer. Which as anyone living in the states will know is total BS.

Win the election and then claim you are unifying people. All the time inciting people by trying to remove a sitting president (70 million,people voted for the guy). I have little interest in either side to be honest, but the Dems have to realise that impeachment and removal (he is nuts) will incite more violence.

Dems have not been pushed in interviews at all, Biden gets a soft ride as he is hidden and protected most of the time. I don’t think the guy is a good candidate at all and I will be surprised if he lasts 4 years. His health is obviously in question..so why choose him?

60 minutes interviewed Nancy the other evening. She didn’t come across well in my humble opinion.

I am loath to use left and right. I am in the middle as many of my neighbours are too. Most would be Democrats, they would be of the same opinion of the Democratic Party as myself. They only voted Biden to get trump out.

Where I live is totally Republican (it’s a weird little place)I am in business so I hear a lot of worries from business people about democratic policies. I can understand their side too.

As someone who never declares a side in politics (mainly because not one of the candidates was Centerist locally) it gets mighty interesting when the subject of politics arises. I have never seen people talk to each other like they “talk” to each other here in the States.

This will not be resolved easily. I personally don’t believe Biden has the ability to unify this country. I honestly think both parties have played a massive issue in what has happened. The Press is complicit (again on both sides) but ultimately the American population is not using common sense.

I am seriously worried about this country....first time I have not felt safe here.

I'm living in the states also and in my state the BLM protests continued all summer and in to the autumn and the vast majority of them were peaceful with only a few nights at the height of it with tensions between police and protestors becoming fraught.

In what way should Dems be pushed in interviews? And as for Biden, he has been pretty close to pitch perfect in my view since he won the nomination. The current guy was a reality TV show candidate and he turned the office in to a reality TV show. Completely inappropriate focus on 'ratings' attention and a desire to be praised.
What I think America needs is someone like Biden to appoint a strong administration and heads of key bodies and then to speak publicly much less frequently than the last guy did.

Not sure what you mean about Pelosi not coming across well. In what way?

I think it's incredible that after a summer where we saw demands for subservience from BLM protestors and accusations of them being violent mobs that events which have shown a pattern of escalating conflict from conservatives including threats to kill a governor, invasion of and disruption of state houses, the invasion of the capitol and now rumours of threats around the inauguration and all of this encouraged, actually, requested by the sitting President and supported by many prominent members of congress, that some are calling for a focus on unity.

In my view, that will only embolden the wannabe usurpers (that word is appropriate) to collate, learn from last week and re-strategise. Arnold Schwarzanegger spoke about his experience of similar emergence of dark forces from his childhood and while I'm not suggesting that it is anything as sinister or likely to be at that level, it is an extremely relevant topic to consider at this time.

12-01-2021 05:10AM

It's easy to see the Republican side. On the one hand they're massive racists but on the other hand they, eh, don't like filling out forms?

NSAman · 12-01-2021 05:35AM

Tell me how wrote: »

I'm living in the states also and in my state the BLM protests continued all summer and in to the autumn and the vast majority of them were peaceful with only a few nights at the height of it with tensions between police and protestors becoming fraught.

In what way should Dems be pushed in interviews? And as for Biden, he has been pretty close to pitch perfect in my view since he won the nomination. The current guy was a reality TV show candidate and he turned the office in to a reality TV show. Completely inappropriate focus on 'ratings' attention and a desire to be praised.
What I think America needs is someone like Biden to appoint a strong administration and heads of key bodies and then to speak publicly much less frequently than the last guy did.

Not sure what you mean about Pelosi not coming across well. In what way?

I think it's incredible that after a summer where we saw demands for subservience from BLM protestors and accusations of them being violent mobs that events which have shown a pattern of escalating conflict from conservatives including threats to kill a governor, invasion of and disruption of state houses, the invasion of the capitol and now rumours of threats around the inauguration and all of this encouraged, actually, requested by the sitting President and supported by many prominent members of congress, that some are calling for a focus on unity.

In my view, that will only embolden the wannabe usurpers (that word is appropriate) to collate, learn from last week and re-strategise. Arnold Schwarzanegger spoke about his experience of similar emergence of dark forces from his childhood and while I'm not suggesting that it is anything as sinister or likely to be at that level, it is an extremely relevant topic to consider at this time.

It’s a big country, that there is no doubt of. My own experience and even now is that violence was all over this area. Madison, chicago boarded up. Shops looted and protests seem to go on in areas where large expensive retail existed....could just be the area I’m in.

Don’t get me wrong, I do HOPE America changes it’s path. I cannot see it personally happening in the coming administration, I hope I am incorrect!

You have to agree, living here that the divide is real. Can you personally say that unity will happen?

Tell me how · 12-01-2021 05:54AM

NSAman wrote: »

It’s a big country, that there is no doubt of. My own experience and even now is that violence was all over this area. Madison, chicago boarded up. Shops looted and protests seem to go on in areas where large expensive retail existed....could just be the area I’m in.

Don’t get me wrong, I do HOPE America changes it’s path. I cannot see it personally happening in the coming administration, I hope I am incorrect!

You have to agree, living here that the divide is real. Can you personally say that unity will happen?

Right not, unity is a pipe dream but two parties with a predominance of respectful leadership at the front even if they have different philosophies would be much better than what is currently going on but I wouldn't be in favour of letting some of those responsible for creating this environment to whitewash their role in it in the interest of some supposed unity. And I am looking at the Republican side when saying this last statement much more so than the Democrats.

We might yet see this whitewashing take the form of some senators voting to impeach Trump taking the position that it will be easier to win a primary next time round than win against a Democrat if they say he did nothing wrong. Time will tell.

duploelabs · 12-01-2021 08:39AM

aloyisious wrote: »

On the lines of disinformation [which I dislike strongly as anti-social and divisive] some propagandist has mentioned that Trump will be visiting the Alamo site in Texas. However, its worth noting according to the White House, Trump Tuesday will visit the small town of Alamo, Texas, located in the Rio Grande Valley, to tour the border barrier, and not to the Alamo Fort so beloved of Texan and hardline U.S citizens as a definition of U.S nationality.

From the Presidents official White House visit itinerary; This is not to be confused with the Alamo Mission, the mission and fortress compound located in San Antonio, Texas. “President Trump is expected to travel to Alamo, Texas, on Tuesday to mark the completion of more than 400 miles of border wall — a promise made, promise kept — and his Administration’s efforts to reform our broken immigration system,” the White House said in an email to the McAllen Monitor.

IMO, this latest attempt to divide the U.S as a nation equals the sick attempts used by Trump for electoral gain and should be called to account despite the not so random choice of named towns to be visited by Trump.

Nah, bone spurs probably wanted to go to The Alamo to make people believe that he's some kind of military leader and the symbolism of a great stand off but someone in his administration booked the wrong place ala four seasons landscaping

prawnsambo · 12-01-2021 09:02AM

NSAman wrote: »

It’s a big country, that there is no doubt of. My own experience and even now is that violence was all over this area. Madison, chicago boarded up. Shops looted and protests seem to go on in areas where large expensive retail existed....could just be the area I’m in.

Don’t get me wrong, I do HOPE America changes it’s path. I cannot see it personally happening in the coming administration, I hope I am incorrect!

You have to agree, living here that the divide is real. Can you personally say that unity will happen?

For some strange reason, you get these calls for unity when what's actually required is accountability first. Those currently looking for unity at the moment would seem to be the ones most in danger of accountability.

Overheal · 12-01-2021 09:06AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

For some strange reason, you get these calls for unity when what's actually required is accountability first. Those currently looking for unity at the moment would seem to be the ones most in danger of accountability.

Yeah there aren't the same parallels to 2008 when Obama embraced 'turning the page' from GWB, who left office with abysmal approval and some calls to have him tried for war crimes (something every president technically does). Not every president obstructs justice, obstructs the transfer of power, or incites a coup d'état though and Trump did all 3; a lot of these lawmakers are party to it, and they're scared of consequences. f*ck'em

In fact I don't know how they weren't all charged with crimes in 2019 for staging a sit-in at the capitol SCIF. They were clearly attempting to obstruct a lawful impeachment inquiry.

is_that_so · 12-01-2021 09:25AM

Looks like fallout from last week is going to be far more widespread and it could kill the Trump brand.

In the span of four days, President Trump’s family business has lost its online store, the buzz from Mr. Trump’s promotional tweets about its luxury resorts and bragging rights as host to one of the world’s most prestigious golf tournaments.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/business/trump-brand-capitol-mob.html

Leroy42 · 12-01-2021 09:30AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

For some strange reason, you get these calls for unity when what's actually required is accountability first. Those currently looking for unity at the moment would seem to be the ones most in danger of accountability.

Exactly. The likes of South Africa showed that a major component of unity and moving on is owning up to past mistakes. Truth and reconciliation.

I don't see any GOPers calling for that.

Hurrache · 12-01-2021 10:31AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

For some strange reason, you get these calls for unity when what's actually required is accountability first. Those currently looking for unity at the moment would seem to be the ones most in danger of accountability.

It's a hilarious tactic isn't it. Invoke and support a failed insurrection which resulted in several deaths, and when you realise you're in the ****ter come out with "ah lads, now's the time for unity, don't widen the divide with talks of punishment and repercussions."

It's like when you're caught robbing a bank but tell the judge now's not the time for justice.

Detritus70 · 12-01-2021 11:01AM

Hurrache wrote: »

It's a hilarious tactic isn't it. Invoke and support a failed insurrection which resulted in several deaths, and when you realise you're in the ****ter come out with "ah lads, now's the time for unity, don't widen the divide with talks of punishment and repercussions."

It's like when you're caught robbing a bank but tell the judge now's not the time for justice.

There will have to be consequences. Peope who spread and incite hatred, commit acts of violence because they can't accept a democratic election or even invade public buildings should rightfully be arrested, charged, fined, imprisoned, lose their jobs, end up on no fly lists and lose friends and family.
Same goes for people who burn and loot naturally.
There is two portions to this accountability, at the moment law-enforcement agencies are gathering data on anyone who took part in this idiotic coup attempt, employees of state agencies get suspended and terminated, private companies are firing people who took part and internet platforms are banning organisations that were involved.
BUT this has to go further. The Republican party has to find some spine and take responsibility for their part in all of this, be it through action or inaction.
That's the accountability portion.

But the US badly needs investment into education, because that should be the very first step in any decent society that wants to improve it's lot. Because if the US doesn't do that, there will simply be generations of ill-informed, ignorant people who never learnt critical thinking and will be easy prey to firebrands, rat-catchers, conspiracy theorists and wannabe Beer Hall revolutionaries.

This is exactly like an abusive relationship. "See what you made me do!" and "I'm sorry I promise I won't do it again" aren't gonna cut it. There will have to be real and serious consequences.
Then this country can start to talk about healing, but not before.

Brian? · 12-01-2021 11:02AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

For some strange reason, you get these calls for unity when what's actually required is accountability first. Those currently looking for unity at the moment would seem to be the ones most in danger of accountability.

It’s the same with deficit reduction. It only really matters to the GOP when they’ve lost.

seamus · 12-01-2021 11:07AM

Christy42 wrote: »

The bigger question is why did that 5% vote for Biden if they think top Democrats have a pedpfile ring?

There's a theory in poll-taking, that up to 10% of the data is complete nonsense because respondents give an intentionally wrong answer for the craic.
Don't have the link now, but there have been a few studies done where you take a survey and include a ridiculous answer intentionally. There's a really consistent cohort of people who pick the ridiculous answer every time.

In this case, "Democrats are running a pedo ring" is likely the "Atari Jaguar" of that survey.

listermint · 12-01-2021 11:15AM

SpacialNeeds wrote: »

I didn't fully realise until now how daft the second amendment is, in the context of a country which consistently underfunds its education system.

How easy has it been for this rich tyrannical sociopath to deceive these angry, badly-treated, ARMED poor people into thinking he's on their side.

In a way, it kind of makes me see their side of it. They've been treated like shjt by the democratic processes they're trying to fight back against. The media have been complicit in propping up the political system that beats them down. Top it off with the fact that they're not black so they don't get any sympathy for their terrible miserable existence.

I kind of get it now. Not saying any of it is right, but I can see their perspective and the whole thing just sucks.

That would be an interesting take if not for the fact how wealthy and in many cases actually educated his Republican voters are.

They vote for him purely for selfish purposes.

The other lot who are under educated and poorer voted because he fed them lies. The media didn't feed them lies.

So selfishness and lies.

dogbert27 · 12-01-2021 11:20AM

Deutsche Bank to sever ties with Trump organisation

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9137075/Deutsche-Bank-sever-ties-Donald-Trump-Trump-organization-owes-340-million-loans.html

Bill Belichik rejects Trumps Presidential Medal of Freedom

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9136701/Belichick-wont-Presidential-Medal-Freedom-all.html

Ivanka trying to save her own political career going against her father by intending to attend the inaugeration

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9134437/Ivanka-Trump-planning-attend-Bidens-inauguration-save-political-career.html

It's been a long 4 years with him but it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost for Trump.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-01-2021 11:25AM

dogbert27 wrote: »

Deutsche Bank to sever ties with Trump organisation

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9137075/Deutsche-Bank-sever-ties-Donald-Trump-Trump-organization-owes-340-million-loans.html

Bill Belichik rejects Trumps Presidential Medal of Freedom

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9136701/Belichick-wont-Presidential-Medal-Freedom-all.html

Ivanka trying to save her own political career going against her father by intending to attend the inaugeration

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9134437/Ivanka-Trump-planning-attend-Bidens-inauguration-save-political-career.html

It's been a long 4 years with him but it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost for Trump.

Has she even been invited? Why would she be, she's just her daddies lackey, hopefully Biden tells her to fùck off and that she's not welcome.

pixelburp · 12-01-2021 11:29AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

For some strange reason, you get these calls for unity when what's actually required is accountability first. Those currently looking for unity at the moment would seem to be the ones most in danger of accountability.

When you think about it, these disingenuous pleas for unity are playing out exactly the same as the narrative just after another Mass Shooting; that "now isn't the time" for legislative change, prosecution or finger-pointing. Thoughts n' prayers and all that. We're seeing the same thing now, a reluctance to actually grasp the nettle and look the ugliness head on. I think it comes down to a reality that Americans aren't really that big into self-reflection. Decades of telling themselves and the world of American Exceptionalism doesn't really sit well with truthful reconciliation.

Francie Barrett · 12-01-2021 11:29AM

Deutsche Bank is potentially big. If he can't refinance his debts they could decide to play hard ball and foreclose on his business empire.

seamus · 12-01-2021 11:33AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Has she even been invited? Why would she be, she's just her daddies lackey, hopefully Biden tells her to fùck off and that she's not welcome.

I was thinking the same. She's an advisor to the president, but I don't think that gives her any specific right to an invite. She's not a member of cabinet.

It would be incredibly amusing to have her declare that she's going to go and then she doesn't get an invite. Absolute cherry on top.

Given that one would expect the inauguration to be a very slimmed-down affair, the guest list could be very limited. Perhaps just former presidents and senior senate members (like Pelosi).

Leroy42 · 12-01-2021 11:36AM

seamus wrote: »

I was thinking the same. She's an advisor to the president, but I don't think that gives her any specific right to an invite. She's not a member of cabinet.

It would be incredibly amusing to have her declare that she's going to go and then she doesn't get an invite. Absolute cherry on top.

Given that one would expect the inauguration to be a very slimmed-down affair, the guest list could be very limited. Perhaps just former presidents and senior senate members (like Pelosi).

It highlights her arrogance on her sense, in fact the entire family, of their standing. They fully believe that the Trumps were voted into the office.

Ivanka is merely a sub POTUS. Of course, in her mind, she would be invited, as she is part of the nadover. If Don can't be there, there she, as sub POTUS, should of course be the one to hand over the position.

Nody · 12-01-2021 11:43AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Deutsche Bank is potentially big. If he can't refinance his debts they could decide to play hard ball and foreclose on his business empire.

DB will not foreclose it; DB will sell on his loans as most banks do with loan portfolios they don't want to recoup money. However and that could make it very interesting depending on who buys it. A vulture fund could make a healthy profit on pushing his businesses into bankruptcy and buy them cheap for example; or an anonymous Russian company may end up buying it all (if they think they can still use him for destabilizing USA further).

Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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