Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

joe40 · 11-01-2021 07:54PM

fash wrote: »

Actually the speech was carefully crafted so that the word "peaceful" was used hardly used, instead there was repeated violent imagery, repeated assertions that the other side had attacked the US,
Trumpists needed to save democracy, that Trumpists needed to fight and never give up, that those opposing Trump would learn their lesson, that the Trumpists would go up and see that the stolen election was made good etc etc. It's quite a tour de force of lies and propaganda
See around this part:
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Agree with this- an actually masterfully crafted speech - I am honestly shocked he was capable of it - there is some advanced cunning manipulative sociopathy involved (i.e. beyond the mere malignant narcissism).

Reminds of how Ian Paisley used to be able to inflame his followers but was then able to claim innocence when violence happened.

Carfacemandog · 11-01-2021 08:00PM

TLDR:

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namloc1980 · 11-01-2021 08:04PM

briany wrote: »

He didn't explicitly tell them to storm Capitol Hill. In fact, he did use the words 'peacefully and patriotically' in his address to that crowd re: going down to the Capitol building to, er, encourage lawmakers to, er, do the 'right thing'.

I just feel the need to point that out, because if you directly accuse him of telling the mob to attack the Capitol building, he can point to those three quoted words, which he probably knew what he was at by saying, and then call his critics 'hysterical', despite him riling up that crowd with the whole lie about the stolen election.

The word peaceful or peacefully was used once in the entire speech, that piece you quoted. On the other hand the word fight appears 20 times including this bit:

And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

He used steal or stolen 7 times including this:

Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.

There can be no doubt, coupled with the rhetoric for the last 2 months about stolen elections etc, what he was inciting the crowd to do.

11-01-2021 08:04PM

Couple of interesting ones, Trump is looking increasingly likely to face prosecution.

https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1348720134702026754

Meanwhile I think a state department employee is failing with Trump's biography. :pac:

Donald J. Trump's term ended on 2021-01-11 19:48:39.

https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/

briany · 11-01-2021 08:10PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

The word peaceful or peacefully was used once in the entire speech, that piece you quoted. On the other hand the word fight appears 20 times including this bit

Repeated use of 'fight' seems like a slam dunk, but, of course, he would undoubtedly claim he was using the word 'fight' as in to 'struggle', 'strive' or 'contend'.

I certainly do not disagree that he used a lot of fiery rhetoric, but I do think that if you accuse him directly of incitement to storm the Capitol, you give him and his lawyers an easy dodge.

Tony EH · 11-01-2021 08:10PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm not a Trump fan nor am I a fan of armed protests but Corporate America shouldn't get to make decisions like deplatforming Trump.

There's a huge danger in allowing social media companies to dictate who has a voice and who doesn't.

As a private entity, they have every right to refuse access to their product. Not only that, if someone uses their product to knowingly spread lies and on the back of that, encourage stupid and dangerous people to violent action, they have a DUTY to refuse that access.

The only thing wrong with the actions of these corporations, is that it came far too late in the day.

super_furry · 11-01-2021 08:11PM

Breaking: PGA will be cancelling all tournaments and instituting a lifetime ban of ever holding events at Trump Courses including stripping Trump of hosting the 2022 PGA Championship, insider says.

That's going to hurt him more than anything even remotely related to the Presidency. The PGA blackballing him will actually break his heart.

ohnonotgmail · 11-01-2021 08:13PM

briany wrote: »

Repeated use of 'fight' seems like a slam dunk, but, of course, he would undoubtedly claim he was using the word 'fight' as in to 'struggle', 'strive' or 'contend'.

I certainly do not disagree that he used a lot of fiery rhetoric, but I do think that if you accuse him directly of incitement to storm the Capitol, you give him and his lawyers an easy dodge.

Somebody else posted a link to a twitter thread by Seth Abramson that pulls the speech apart. Seth is a lawyer. Long but worth a read.

11-01-2021 08:14PM

https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/

By all accounts he's gone :eek:

Love him or hate him....its been an insane 4 years

briany · 11-01-2021 08:16PM

super_furry wrote: »

The PGA blackballing him will actually break his heart.

Here's hoping.

nullzero · 11-01-2021 08:16PM

Fake news?

Padre_Pio · 11-01-2021 08:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/

By all accounts he's gone :eek:

Love him or hate him....its been an insane 4 years

By no accounts other than your link as 20.16.

11-01-2021 08:16PM

nullzero wrote: »

Fake news?

State department website though??

joe40 · 11-01-2021 08:17PM

super_furry wrote: »

Breaking: PGA will be cancelling all tournaments and instituting a lifetime ban of ever holding events at Trump Courses including stripping Trump of hosting the 2022 PGA Championship, insider says.

That's going to hurt him more than anything even remotely related to the Presidency. The PGA blackballing him will actually break his heart.

The PGA aren't exactly a bastion of left wing thinking. That will hurt him.

bennyl10 · 11-01-2021 08:17PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

By no accounts other than your link as 20.16.

It’s live on the state department website?

It’s a hack or he’s gone

11-01-2021 08:17PM

Tony EH wrote: »

As a private entity, they have every right to refuse access to their product. Not only that, if someone uses their product to knowingly spread lies and on the back of that, encourage stupid and dangerous people to violent action, they have a DUTY to refuse that access.

The only thing wrong with the actions of these corporations, is that it came far too late in the day.

The thing is the fear Trump engendered if any of them has acted against him before this he had the power to make life very difficult if not impossible for the tec and social media companies. That is the scary thing about the power he had.

everlast75 · 11-01-2021 08:18PM

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1348722690895581193?s=19

McMurphy · 11-01-2021 08:18PM

Good riddance to the complete and utter bellend.

Kaybaykwah · 11-01-2021 08:19PM

yagan wrote: »

Trump is corporate America personified, willing to lie and cheat, to promote falsehoods to push his own interests.

He preferred Twitter because it gave him the instant adoration and fawning from followers that his narcissism thrived on. He has a presse room he avoided because he gets asked questions he didn't like.

Everyone could see he was the danger when he banned journalists he didn't like.

Right, and he has been pounding his lectern for 5 years, going on about how the media are the enemy of the people.

Every news outlet that didn't conform to his views was Fake News.

He is not without a tribune, but he is probably playing at being ostracized for maximum political effect. This aslo affords him some downtime since he is probably out of words to express what is happening right now. The residuum of his team is probably not very capable either.

super_furry · 11-01-2021 08:20PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1348722690895581193?s=19

Looks like a hack. The time keeps changing and its in the future in all US time zones.

nullzero · 11-01-2021 08:20PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Good riddance to the complete and utter bellend.

New bogeyman incoming....

alchemist33 · 11-01-2021 08:20PM

Probably hype over nothing, but helicopters buzzing about Pence's house

https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/1348723955096580097?s=20

Donald Trump · 11-01-2021 08:20PM

See yiz later losers

All fake news

Signore Fancy Pants · 11-01-2021 08:20PM

Apparently its an "disgruntled staffer".

Blaaz you coq teasing backstard.

Sir Oxman · 11-01-2021 08:21PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

See yiz later losers

:D:D

valoren · 11-01-2021 08:21PM

The PGA of America, who will not host in 2022, is different from the PGA Tour, I wonder what the PGA Tour stance is.

Damien360 · 11-01-2021 08:21PM

If he was impeached, would that prevent him running again in 4 years time ? Highly unlikely scenario but I could see the big goon actually believing he has a chance.

runawaybishop · 11-01-2021 08:21PM

The time on the announcement keeps changing. Can't imagine they would update the website before some other politician got there.

McMurphy · 11-01-2021 08:22PM

nullzero wrote: »

New bogeyman incoming....

Oh he's not a bogeyman of mine, I just seen him on the TV quite a bit, and every time he opened his mouth I thought he came across as a complete and utter bellend.

I have next to zero interest in USA politics otherwise. Simple as that really.

Clareman · 11-01-2021 08:22PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

The time on the announcement keeps changing. Can't imagine they would update the website before some other politician got there.

Also the time is Irish time not US time so looks weird

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