Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

BattleCorp · 11-01-2021 06:32PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Did you actually read the article? Merkl’s point is that governments should have a tougher regulatory system in place for online content.

This isn’t the valiant defending of free speech you seem to think it is.

Yep, I did read the article. Obviously we are both taking different things from it. She said Twitter and FB shouldn't be making up their own rules. Which is pretty much what I've been saying.

maebee · 11-01-2021 06:33PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

I don’t think you do get it. It’s nothing to do with disliking Trump. It’s the fact that he actively sent a violent mob to stop Congress from certifying his legitimate successor. And the fact that he showed no remorse for doing so and looked likely to try to do it again.

Exactly. And if he hadn't encouraged, no, requested his violent mob to storm Capitol Hill, five of his countrymen would be alive today.

Gregor Samsa · 11-01-2021 06:34PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Yep, I did read the article. Obviously we are both taking different things from it. She said Twitter and FB shouldn't be making up their own rules. Which is pretty much what I've been saying.

Well, all I’m taking from it is quotes like this:

“ But Ms Merkel said through her spokesman that the US government should take on the responsibility for regulating hate speech, as Germany does, instead of leaving it up to platforms such as Twitter and Facebook.

The intervention highlights a key area of disagreement between the US and Europe on how to regulate social media platforms. The EU wants to give regulators more powers to force Internet platforms such as Facebook or Twitter to remove illegal content. In the US, Internet giants are generally left to police their sites themselves.”

everlast75 · 11-01-2021 06:38PM

It is hard to keep up with this thread, so i don't know if this was posted, but..

https://twitter.com/JoshMargolin/status/1348672731286532096?s=19

There will be significant political pressure on the Republicans to be seen to do something about this. They can't have another jan 6th on their hands.

McConnell will have to try pressure trump to resign and take the fire out of this. If his doesn't, there will be further significant fall out for the reps.

BattleCorp · 11-01-2021 06:38PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Well, all I’m taking from it is quotes like this:

“ But Ms Merkel said through her spokesman that the US government should take on the responsibility for regulating hate speech, as Germany does, instead of leaving it up to platforms such as Twitter and Facebook.

The intervention highlights a key area of disagreement between the US and Europe on how to regulate social media platforms. The EU wants to give regulators more powers to force Internet platforms such as Facebook or Twitter to remove illegal content. In the US, Internet giants are generally left to police their sites themselves.”

And I'm not disagreeing with what you've said. I just think that the 'Internet giants' and tech companies are getting too powerful and now have more control than the Government. And that's not a good thing.

briany · 11-01-2021 06:38PM

maebee wrote: »

Exactly. And if he hadn't encouraged, no, requested his violent mob to storm Capitol Hill, five of his countrymen would be alive today.

He didn't explicitly tell them to storm Capitol Hill. In fact, he did use the words 'peacefully and patriotically' in his address to that crowd re: going down to the Capitol building to, er, encourage lawmakers to, er, do the 'right thing'.

I just feel the need to point that out, because if you directly accuse him of telling the mob to attack the Capitol building, he can point to those three quoted words, which he probably knew what he was at by saying, and then call his critics 'hysterical', despite him riling up that crowd with the whole lie about the stolen election.

Dressoutlet · 11-01-2021 06:42PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's all very ''judge, jury and executioner '' . No one knows the story behind the storming of the capitol.

To me it was all very spur of the moment, by the front liner nutjobs, with a lot of simple country folk flowing into building, and flowing out again.
The arrests were few, and it targeted those nutjobs.

Except any of us who were reading sites such as the Donald and parler knew it was coming because it was openly planned for weeks. Not spur of the moment.

yagan · 11-01-2021 06:42PM

briany wrote: »

He didn't explicitly tell them to storm Capitol Hill. In fact, he did use the words 'peacefully and patriotically' in his address to that crowd re: going down to the Capitol building to, er, encourage lawmakers to, er, do the 'right thing'.

I just feel the need to point that out, because if you directly accuse him of telling the mob to attack the Capitol building, he can point to those three quoted words, which he probably knew what he was at by saying, and then call his critics 'hysterical', despite him riling up that crowd with the whole lie about the stolen election.

True, but he didn't correct his boy Giuliani's "Trial by combat" line, but built on it.

However I think he crossed the line last spring inciting anti lockdock measures in individual states.

PropJoe10 · 11-01-2021 06:43PM

everlast75 wrote: »

It is hard to keep up with this thread, so i don't know if this was posted, but..

https://twitter.com/JoshMargolin/status/1348672731286532096?s=19

There will be significant political pressure on the Republicans to be seen to do something about this. They can't have another jan 6th on their hands.

McConnell will have to try pressure trump to resign and take the fire out of this. If his doesn't, there will be further significant fall out for the reps.

I can't see Trump taking the fire out of anything. There's nothing more dangerous than a cornered rat, and he's in a "well, i have nothing to lose" type corner now.

It's a very dangerous situation indeed. I hope the police are better prepared than they were for 6th January!

duploelabs · 11-01-2021 06:43PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

And I'm not disagreeing with what you've said. I just think that the 'Internet giants' and tech companies are getting too powerful and now have more control than the Government. And that's not a good thing.

The only reason why trump remained on twitter for so long (and had his tweets factchecked) is because he is government but he couldn't not balls that up (like everything he does) after too long.
You know of the bot that was created that transposed trump's tweets to their own and was banned not after too long.
He still has the world's press at his beck and call and a shiny press room to sit them in

everlast75 · 11-01-2021 06:44PM

"Impeachment witch hunt"

****ing disgusting

https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1348690838453411840?s=19

Tell me how · 11-01-2021 06:44PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

And I'm not disagreeing with what you've said. I just think that the 'Internet giants' and tech companies are getting too powerful and now have more control than the Government. And that's not a good thing.

Is this really a conservative asking for more governmental control?

Anyway, with respect to the bit in bold, no they don't.
Trump has a Press Office and Press team by which he could communicate should he wish to do so. He hasn't.

David Nunes said yesterday that Republicans no longer have a way to communicate given Twitter and then Google/Apple/Amazon on Parler. The only problem is, he was saying it on the most widely watch cable news network.

Overheal · 11-01-2021 06:46PM

Feelsgood.gif

https://twitter.com/tony3879/status/1348626353118130176?s=21

everlast75 · 11-01-2021 06:47PM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I can't see Trump taking the fire out of anything. There's nothing more dangerous than a cornered rat, and he's in a "well, i have nothing to lose" type corner now.

It's a very dangerous situation indeed. I hope the police are better prepared than they were for 6th January!

McConnell can convict him and there are serious ramifications for trump if that happens, plus personal disgrace.

I can only imagine what allowing trump to do nothing about another riot will do to the reps.

11-01-2021 06:48PM

People rejoicing in this "new" way of policing discourse and thoughts will soon be shocked when it's turned on them.

Sad to see. Lambs to the slaughter.

11-01-2021 06:48PM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I can't see Trump taking the fire out of anything. There's nothing more dangerous than a cornered rat, and he's in a "well, i have nothing to lose" type corner now.

It's a very dangerous situation indeed. I hope the police are better prepared than they were for 6th January!

I agree with this. I think the state of his finances, creditors lining up at the door and the inevitable downfall that will follow is Trumps worse fear and puts things in a very dangerous position for us all with his narcissistic mindset.

Captain_Crash · 11-01-2021 06:48PM

briany wrote: »

He didn't explicitly tell them to storm Capitol Hill. In fact, he did use the words 'peacefully and patriotically' in his address to that crowd re: going down to the Capitol building to, er, encourage lawmakers to, er, do the 'right thing'.

I just feel the need to point that out, because if you directly accuse him of telling the mob to attack the Capitol building, he can point to those three quoted words, which he probably knew what he was at by saying, and then call his critics 'hysterical', despite him riling up that crowd with the whole lie about the stolen election.

There are plenty of laws in the US regarding what constitutes a direction/order. It just has to be perceived as a direction and not specifically asked of someone... they were written specifically to win the war against the mafia.

For example a mob boss comes over to your house and says “nice car you got out there, it would be a shame if something happened to it”. The mob boss didn’t actually say anything incriminating, but he said all he needed to say! Trump is doing the exact same!

You don’t have to ask someone to do something to ask someone to do something!

PropJoe10 · 11-01-2021 06:51PM

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

I agree with this. I think the state of his finances, creditors lining up at the door and the inevitable downfall that will follow is Trumps worse fear and puts things in a very dangerous position for us all with his narcissistic mindset.

Yup. I'd expect him, Don Jr and Rudy to be taken into custody before the end of January, on charges of inciting violence. None of this is going to end well.

11-01-2021 06:52PM

Overheal wrote: »

Feelsgood.gif

https://twitter.com/tony3879/status/1348626353118130176?s=21

Whooooo... You go girlfriend.

What was that?

jill_valentine · 11-01-2021 06:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People rejoicing in this "new" way of policing discourse and thoughts will soon be shocked when it's turned on them.

Sad to see. Lambs to the slaughter.

Trump is having rules applied to him that already applied to everyone else. These kind of histrionics won't make any traction, because every one of us know how websites work.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 11-01-2021 06:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Whooooo... You go girlfriend.

What was that?

That'll be called the insurrectionists Vs the digital age

Gregor Samsa · 11-01-2021 06:55PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

And I'm not disagreeing with what you've said. I just think that the 'Internet giants' and tech companies are getting too powerful and now have more control than the Government. And that's not a good thing.

But the point is that this is how the US system is supposed to work. Both parties, but especially Republicans, have long opposed Government regulation of pretty much anything. Their point was that businesses should self-regulate. Businesses should have control over who they do business with. And that ultimately nothing bad would happen because the market would not allow it.

Businesses and the market have swung in to thwart a direct attack on democracy that the government could do nothing about. And yet some of the very people who built and defended this system to the nth degree suddenly think it’s an issue!

yagan · 11-01-2021 06:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People rejoicing in this "new" way of policing discourse and thoughts will soon be shocked when it's turned on them.

Sad to see. Lambs to the slaughter.

Four years of Twitter profiting off Trump dividing the nation led to an attempted coup. An attempted attack on democracy is an attack "on them" as you put it.

The republicans will now be split between insurrectionists and constitutionalists.

Dressoutlet · 11-01-2021 06:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People rejoicing in this "new" way of policing discourse and thoughts will soon be shocked when it's turned on them.

Sad to see. Lambs to the slaughter.

What's new? Kicking people off social media, happened me enough times to know its not new.

11-01-2021 06:57PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Trump is having rules applied to him that already applied to everyone else. These kind of histrionics won't make any traction, because every one of us know how websites work.

Cool. Soon we will see the prominent BLM activists having incitement levelled at them?

Trump is a ****.

He has a right to be though.

fly_agaric · 11-01-2021 06:59PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

And I'm not disagreeing with what you've said. I just think that the 'Internet giants' and tech companies are getting too powerful and now have more control than the Government. And that's not a good thing.

Businesses & special interests should be free to self-regulate/dictate laws they desire to the government, companies (like Twitter...) are people really, the money of a wealthy individual or a company is equivalent to a citizen's "free speech", government should interfere as little as possible with operations of companies or their ability to profit etc. - does all this sound familiar?

EU countries have tried to reign in their operations over here to an extent. As these mega-companies are all American, they usually complain it is unfair/discriminatory + hide behind the flag & cry to their government for help.

In extremis, they probably also have this great little country as a reliable spoiler inside the EU 27 to nobble holding them to account.

namloc1980 · 11-01-2021 07:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People rejoicing in this "new" way of policing discourse and thoughts will soon be shocked when it's turned on them.

Sad to see. Lambs to the slaughter.

There are literally people banned from this thread because they couldn't engage in civil discourse. Do you think this is new or something??

Overheal · 11-01-2021 07:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cool. Soon we will see the prominent BLM activists having incitement levelled at them?

Trump is a ****.

He has a right to be though.

People already incite against BLM

VinLieger · 11-01-2021 07:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Cool. Soon we will see the prominent BLM activists having incitement levelled at them?

Trump is a ****.

He has a right to be though.

Yup but he has no right to access the services of a private company, which is something republicans and christian extremists fought hard for several years ago.

Irony is beautiful.

11-01-2021 07:02PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Yup but he has no right to access the services of a private company, which is something republicans and religious extremists fought hard for several years ago.

Irony is beautiful.

Yay!

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