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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3902
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The vaccine roll out order was supposed to be
    1.over 65s in care homes
    2. Health care workers
    3. Over 70s
    4. Health care workers not in direct contact with patients

    Why are we seeing health care workers going before over 65s in care homes? My friends missus is a nurse on maternity leave. She was booked in for last Friday even though she won't have contact with patients for another 6 months.

    Seems like the order has been pissed all over.

    It seems some extra people are getting it as each vial was thought to hold 5 shots but actually holds 6 shots, so there has been some extra capacity


  • #3903
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    All the fcukin rent a brains are on the journal predicting when the schools will reopen and the rest of the fcukin gombeens above in the Dublin/Wicklow mountains being told by the guards to go home and having their cars towed.
    If theres one thing this pandemic has highlighted for me,it is the amount of ignorant,selfish, brain dead fcukers that live among our society.
    What a fcukin time to be alive


  • #3904
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Lads n lassies, anyone know how many ICU beds we have in the country? 280 or higher at the moment?


  • #3905
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    All the fcukin rent a brains are on the journal predicting when the schools will reopen and the rest of the fcukin gombeens above in the Dublin/Wicklow mountains being told by the guards to go home and having their cars towed.
    If theres one thing this pandemic has highlighted for me,it is the amount of ignorant,selfish, brain dead fcukers that live among our society.
    What a fcukin time to be alive

    I realized that many many years ago unfortunately man


  • #3906
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    He actually said there's always a delay with reporting cases. Generally it's 24-72 hours. So some cases reported today are from swabs over the previous 72hrs. That's the norm. The backlog (taking in excess of 72hrs) has been cleared.
    So going forward the cases being announced are from swabs over the past 72hrs.

    Makes sence, then swabs start going up, your reporting over the previous 3 days, so cases will look lower then swabs. Then when swabs reduce like now, the cases are being reported over 72hrs when the swabs were higher.

    Yes, but I felt there were mixed messages. He also said they were up to date, but what that really meant was that they are as up to date as they normally are. He could have just said that the swab data (which is published on the Government's covid info site) is what you should be looking at if you want the most up to date picture.


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  • #3907
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    All the fcukin rent a brains are on the journal predicting when the schools will reopen and the rest of the fcukin gombeens above in the Dublin/Wicklow mountains being told by the guards to go home and having their cars towed.
    If theres one thing this pandemic has highlighted for me,it is the amount of ignorant,selfish, brain dead fcukers that live among our society.
    What a fcukin time to be alive

    The virus will eventually be die out. Unfortunately the stupidity and selfishness is permanent. Genuinely thought we were a less selfishand wiser nation than the virus has shown us up to be.


  • #3908
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    How do you know . Last we knew 15k were done

    From 2 days ago.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/all-care-facility-residents-and-staff-to-receive-covid-vaccine-in-next-two-weeks-says-donnelly-1061799.html

    Mr Donnelly said 40,000 doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine are expected to be administered by the end of this week to frontline healthcare workers and nursing home staff and residents, adding: "The plan is on target".

    The plan is to fully use capacity to deliver all possible doses of the vaccine as they come in, as I am sure you are aware. Now that supply seems stable we are also using some of the withheld second dose numbers.

    So again, how do you expect us to vaccinate more people than we have vaccines for? Because it looks to me that you are just complaining without understanding.


  • #3909
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    All the fcukin rent a brains are on the journal predicting when the schools will reopen and the rest of the fcukin gombeens above in the Dublin/Wicklow mountains being told by the guards to go home and having their cars towed.
    If theres one thing this pandemic has highlighted for me,it is the amount of ignorant,selfish, brain dead fcukers that live among our society.
    What a fcukin time to be alive

    Dont forget the cheltenham heads last year!

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • #3910
    Bushmaster64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Bushmaster64


    Question: If lockdowns work, has anyone come up with a reason as to why it's not the vulnerable population locking down and the rest go about their business?

    The stats show that this disease overwhelmingly targets a certain group of people, which in a way is the kind of virus you want.

    So how come they aren't the ones locking down while the working population keeps the economy going and gives governments even greater funds to deal with the vulnerable.

    How is locking down students or a young couple in their early 30s trying to run a café going to help?


  • #3911
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    Steve012 wrote: »
    I realized that many many years ago unfortunately man

    The same thicks that had 50 over on christmas day and infected their mums and dads. They now on facebook telling teachers to go on the pup if they dont want to teach. oh yea the schools closed, thats the teachers fault......


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  • #3912
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    Question: If lockdowns work, has anyone come up with a reason as to why it's not the vulnerable population locking down and the rest go about their business?

    The stats show that this disease overwhelmingly targets a certain group of people, which in a way is the kind of virus you want.

    So how come they aren't the ones locking down while the working population keeps the economy going and gives governments even greater funds to deal with the vulnerable.

    How is locking down students or a young couple in their early 30s trying to run a café going to help?

    The UK tried that already, it was an abysmal failure. If you allow it to run rampant you soon find out that just because you are not over 65 doesn't mean covid won't floor you and dump you in ICU.


  • #3913
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    brookers wrote: »
    The same thicks that had 50 over on christmas day and infected their mums and dads. They now on facebook telling teachers to go on the pup if they dont want to teach. oh yea the schools closed, thats the teachers fault......

    What about the builders who's sites are shut down? Not their fault, but they are on PUP. What about the barbers? What about the waitresses? Etc.


  • #3914
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,830 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Ireland number one in the world.

    Big round of applause has to go to the lads and lasses who rushed back to Ireland for the mammy's Christmas dinner, great work guys


  • #3915
    Bushmaster64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Bushmaster64


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    The UK tried that already, it was an abysmal failure. If you allow it to run rampant you soon find out that just because you are not over 65 doesn't mean covid won't floor you and dump you in ICU.

    Any idea how many Brits under say 55 without underlying conditions have died?


  • #3916
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    deisedevil wrote: »
    What about the builders who's sites are shut down? Not their fault, but they are on PUP. What about the barbers? What about the waitresses? Etc.
    You can tell my wife, who responded to and sent over 400 emails and spent four hours on the phone today, as well as doing 9 individual lessons, 2 full group sessions and not to mention the 18 hours planning over the weekend that it doesn't count as work because she wasn't in the school building.

    Tell the civil servants working from home that they have to go on the PUP too


  • #3917
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Ireland number one in the world.

    Big round of applause has to go to the lads and lasses who rushed back to Ireland for the mammy's Christmas dinner, great work guys

    And a big thank you to B.1.1.7, we couldn't have done it without him


  • #3918
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    Question: If lockdowns work, has anyone come up with a reason as to why it's not the vulnerable population locking down and the rest go about their business?

    The stats show that this disease overwhelmingly targets a certain group of people, which in a way is the kind of virus you want.

    So how come they aren't the ones locking down while the working population keeps the economy going and gives governments even greater funds to deal with the vulnerable.

    How is locking down students or a young couple in their early 30s trying to run a café going to help?

    People will meet their parents. Old/vulnerable people still need to go shopping. You can't lockdown an hospital, all kind of people will end there. Staff still needs to go to there and to nursing homes.

    As I young person myself I can understand the frustration, it feels like it would be a lot easier to just catch it, hope to not be in the small percentage of people that have serious issues, and be done with it. Unfortunately all people, society and business don't work in complete isolation between each other.


  • #3919
    Bushmaster64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Bushmaster64


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Ireland number one in the world.

    Big round of applause has to go to the lads and lasses who rushed back to Ireland for the mammy's Christmas dinner, great work guys

    Even worse news for you, Israel are fitting out your buses with Covid air filters.

    That won't go down well with the boycott crowd


  • #3920
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,862 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    Any idea how many Brits under say 55 without underlying conditions have died?

    388 under 60.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #3921
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    Any idea how many Brits under say 55 without underlying conditions have died?

    I don't follow UK news in that much detail. It's about ICU numbers anyway.


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  • #3922
    Bushmaster64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Bushmaster64


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    People will meet their parents. Old/vulnerable people still need to go shopping. You can't lockdown an hospital, all kind of people will end there. Staff still needs to go to there and to nursing homes.

    As I young person myself I can understand the frustration, it feels like it would be a lot easier to just catch it, hope to not be in the small percentage of people that have serious issues, and be done with it. Unfortunately all people, society and business don't work in complete isolation between each other.

    Same outcome though isn't it? if 20 year olds who're largely unaffected are out there catching it but the older population are locked down, it's the same result as everyone locking down. Only with the former you get to keep the economy going and stop the young losing their minds and committing suicide.


  • #3923
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Knine


    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    Question: If lockdowns work, has anyone come up with a reason as to why it's not the vulnerable population locking down and the rest go about their business?

    The stats show that this disease overwhelmingly targets a certain group of people, which in a way is the kind of virus you want.

    So how come they aren't the ones locking down while the working population keeps the economy going and gives governments even greater funds to deal with the vulnerable.

    How is locking down students or a young couple in their early 30s trying to run a café going to help?

    This has been explained so many times. What about the Carers of the vulnerable? Lock us all up? The Students or young couples with At risk parents? The young people with other illnesses/accidents that need an ICU bed but none available!,

    It is pretty self explanatory!


  • #3924
    Bushmaster64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Bushmaster64


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    388 under 60.

    So fewer than die from influenza?
    Influenza accounted for 10% of the attributed respiratory admissions and deaths in hospital. Healthy children under five had the highest influenza admission rate (1.9/1000)


  • #3925
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    So fewer than die from influenza?

    My apologies, I took your post at face value. I didn't realise you were just using weasel words. Why don't you actually say what you mean so it can be debunked and we can all move on.


  • #3926
    Bushmaster64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Bushmaster64


    Knine wrote: »
    This has been explained so many times. What about the Carers of the vulnerable? Lock us all up? The Students or young couples with At risk parents? The young people with other illnesses/accidents that need an ICU bed but none available!,

    It is pretty self explanatory!

    All vulnerable people go into lockdown.

    All people who live with vulnerable people go into lockdown.

    Seems simple.

    Why would students in their late teens or early 20s who are statistically more likely to die from influenza, be locked down if they don't live with parents?


  • #3927
    Bushmaster64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Bushmaster64


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    My apologies, I took your post at face value. I didn't realise you were just using weasel words. Why don't you actually say what you mean so it can be debunked and we can all move on.

    A very small amount of healthy people under 55 have died from Covid. Fewer than die from Influenza.

    Ergo, the lockdown of healthy people under 55 is complete lunacy and is fuelling questions as to why.

    This is part of the reason why governments are losing the people.


  • #3928
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    Same outcome though isn't it? if 20 year olds who're largely unaffected are out there catching it but the older population are locked down, it's the same result as everyone locking down. Only with the former you get to keep the economy going and stop the young losing their minds and committing suicide.

    Same outcome? Are you serious, or just winding up others.


  • #3929
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Luke O’Neill has talked before about the common cold giving some element of immunity in some people, and that more research was needed
    Finally this is being looked at. I've been banging this drum since the summer and it makes sense of how this dose is spreading and how it has such a variability in symptoms within positive cases and also explains how you can have households where one or two infected people don't transmit it to people that they live with. I personally know households where the happened. One of the kids and the mother got it and were symptomatic(thankfully mildly) but the dad and the other kid didn't. Husband and wife sleeping in the same bed and one didn't get it? Eh...

    If everyone has about the same amount of vulnerability to a virus then the spread would be more complete. EG if one person catches a cold or flu in a household it's a near given everyone in that household will catch it(even the 20% of those infected with flu who remain asymptomatic will return a positive).

    It even explains the odd relationship with smokers. IE smokers seem to be less likely to get it(which was unexpected), but if they do they suffer worse with it if they do contract it(which was to be expected). Smokers catch more respiratory viruses than non smokers. Weaker lungs and are constantly touching their hands to their mouths. So they were more likely than the background population to catch this potential "immunising" virus giving them more protection, but if they didn't catch it their habit makes them more likely to get sicker(if nicotine was the protective factor you'd not see this to nearly the same degree)

    In essence covid transmission looks more like the spread of a virus in a partially immunised population.

    If it turns out to be true it also means that a vaccine should last a long time as far as protection goes.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #3930
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    A very small amount of people under 55 with underlying condition have died from Covid. Fewer than die from Influenza.

    Ergo, the lockdown of healthy people under 55 is complete lunacy and is fuelling questions as to why.

    This is part of the reason why governments are losing the people.

    A small percent of those that caughtb it sure. When you allow unrestricted transmission that small percent turns out to be a lot of people, many who had no underlying conditions or didn't realise they had.

    It was tried in the UK, it was a horrible failure. What more do you need to know.


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  • #3931
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭h2005


    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    All vulnerable people go into lockdown.

    All people who live with vulnerable people go into lockdown.

    Seems simple.

    Why would students in their late teens or early 20s who are statistically more likely to die from influenza, be locked down if they don't live with parents?

    Considering the current **** show I’m shocked that people are still peddling this line of ****e.


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