So - Brexit and Ireland - what are the consequences?

peasant · 10-01-2021 10:16pm #1

Now that the omnishambles that is Brexit is slowly unravelling, I thought it might be a good idea to keep track of the consequences for our little island as and when they happen, because I fear there will be plenty once this is bedded in.

So far we have:
- DPD (and I think some other parcel companies) not delivering from the UK to Ireland

- Marks and Spencer's Ireland looking at the first empty shelves

- delays in getting goods into Ireland because landbridge is no longer an option and the "short sea" route just takes longer

What else?

suicide_circus · 10-01-2021 10:18pm

Duty Free booze and fags when you fly to the UK.

Hellotonever · 10-01-2021 11:09pm

got charged 214eu for a guitar i bought from the UK. Such b*ll****

Hamsterchops · 11-01-2021 12:40am

Hellotonever wrote: »

got charged 214eu for a guitar i bought from the UK. Such b*ll****

I presume you mean on top of the price you already paid. Scary stuff alright, I used to buy the odd item from across the water, but now I'm afraid to buy anything (for the time being), until things settle down .....

We should know the real impact by about March?

ELM327 · 11-01-2021 10:13am

I have stopped buying anything from the UK until we find out what happens.
Prior customer (regularly) of amazon and parcel motel

JasonStatham · 11-01-2021 10:30am

This thread will end well is my prediction. It'll probably be hijacked by a mix of Nationalist and Unionist extremists on here.

I think the NI-GB supply chain will get back to normal eventually.

Donald Trump · 11-01-2021 4:02pm

Hellotonever wrote: »

got charged 214eu for a guitar i bought from the UK. Such b*ll****

On VAT?

Can you claim a refund from the seller for the UK VAT they charged

ELM327 · 11-01-2021 4:35pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

On VAT?

Can you claim a refund from the seller for the UK VAT they charged

no

Junkyard Tom · 11-01-2021 7:22pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I'm afraid to buy anything

Try Amazon.de on the mainland.

peasant · 11-01-2021 7:39pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

On VAT?

Can you claim a refund from the seller for the UK VAT they charged

It's not just VAT that can be a problem.

The "zero tariffs" that the Brexiteers so loudly applaud only apply to goods that were actually made in the UK and that fulfill the rules of origin.

Just trading in stuff that was imported from elsewhere will definitely be liable for duty.
But even if the product was made in the UK, enough of its component parts must also have been made there to comply with the rules of origin. Just screwing together some imported foreign made parts won't do.

SCOOP 64 · 11-01-2021 7:39pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Try Amazon.de on the mainland.

So this will avoid vat , hows delivery?

Seth Brundle · 11-01-2021 7:50pm

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

So this will avoid vat , hows delivery?

Within EU so vat shouldn't be an issue.
I mentioned in another thread how my wife bought a laptop case on Amazon.de for way less than it was on Amazon.co.uk. it was ordered on Sunday 3rd and arrived via courier on Thursday 7th.

SCOOP 64 · 11-01-2021 7:58pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Within EU so vat shouldn't be an issue.
I mentioned in another thread how my wife bought a laptop case on Amazon.de for way less than it was on Amazon.co.uk. it was ordered on Sunday 3rd and arrived via courier on Thursday 7th.

Thats good to know, so shouldn't be a problem ordering a mobile phone?

Junkyard Tom · 11-01-2021 8:06pm

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Thats good to know, so shouldn't be a problem ordering a mobile phone?

I bought a Redmi Note 7 for about €170 on Amazon.de last year, no issues, no VAT, full warranty etc.

siochain · 11-01-2021 8:55pm

Hellotonever wrote: »

got charged 214eu for a guitar i bought from the UK. Such b*ll****

Was the guitar ordered before the 1st of January? And was there and UK VAT and taxes included when you paid for it?

thanks

Random Account · 11-01-2021 10:14pm

Daughter said she spent 45 euro on clothes from pretty little thing website. Looked at my card charged 45 euro aswell on custom charges. Cried myself to sleep. **** brexit

Hamsterchops · 11-01-2021 11:14pm

It's an almighty bloody mess at this stage, hopefully it will settle down and we will all resume our commerce and trade between the two islands sometime later this year?

Fingers crossed

Skyfloater · 12-01-2021 11:32am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

It's an almighty bloody mess at this stage, hopefully it will settle down and we will all resume our commerce and trade between the two islands sometime later this year?

Fingers crossed

What do you mean settle down? Britain has left the EU. Permanently.
There's 26 other countries in the EU that you can but stuff from, if the Irish option is too expensive. People here seem to forget that.

fly_agaric · 12-01-2021 12:05pm

Skyfloater wrote: »

What do you mean settle down? Britain has left the EU. Permanently.

Well, in terms of UK-Ireland trade am sure it will "settle" at some point this year to a new normal of lower volumes, restricted choice and a higher cost.

That is what the UK voted for as they keep saying, but at least we have options (the rest of the EU) to mitigate damage.

Beechwoodspark · 12-01-2021 12:07pm

Won’t buy anything from .co.Uk sites for the foreseeable.

I’ll review in a few weeks

FrancieBrady · 12-01-2021 12:11pm

Skyfloater wrote: »

What do you mean settle down? Britain has left the EU. Permanently.
There's 26 other countries in the EU that you can but stuff from, if the Irish option is too expensive. People here seem to forget that.

Yep, can report seamless, hassle free purchase from amazon.de. Cheaper product, slightly dearer delivery, about a week, door to door, but happy out.

Orange Tiny Terror · 12-01-2021 9:55pm

Bought a drone from Amazon.de 5 days delivery time with standard shipping. Very easy to change your Amazon account from co.uk to .de

Caquas · 12-01-2021 10:25pm

Before Brexit, I was highly impressed with Amazon Prime. Stuff I ordered just after Christmas was arriving in a day or two.

Then I ordered a couple of things on 1 January. They were in stock and ready for next day delivery but when I said deliver to Ireland I was told they would arrive on 12 January. The items were dispatched on 4 Jan. and "cleared customs" on 5 Jan. . Then nothing although the message switched to "arriving tomorrow by 9 pm", then "arriving today by 9 pm." but the items were not "out for delivery".

Now I get this

Now expected 13 January - 14 January
We’re very sorry your delivery is late. Most late packages arrive in a day. If you have not received your package by 14 January, you can come back here the next day for a refund.

I'm not expecting anything will turn up tomorrow or the day after, so I will get a stupid refund.:mad:

I have a couple of other items in my basket and when I give an address in England, I'm promised delivery by 14 January. When I switch to my Irish address, delivery isn't until 26 January. Still cheaper than Amazon.de and same delay.

12-01-2021 10:30pm

I am sorry that I didn't read this thread. Ordered something from Amazon UK, now stuck at customs for 3 days. I need this as soon as possible as well.

Total C-fluck. Not doing that again, its the lack of consistency that kills it.

Get Real · 12-01-2021 10:38pm

Don't know if it's Brexit related or pure coincidence/has always been the case.

But anyway, noticed in Lidl the other day, they had Lidl brand 500g porridge oats for the Irish/British Market (Crownfield brand) . Among these though were clearly continental European/German Market oats, under a different Lidl brand.

See attached:

You can see the Lidl UK/Irish brand is Crownfield but the EU one is Countryside.

Makes no odds to me, I'd be happy with more continental EU products direct from EU tbh.

What I couldn't understand was why there was a mix of them in the same "pallet" as such. Rather than a full tray of Countryside by itself. That's what puts me off thinking its Brexit related. Just an observation though.

TheValeyard · 12-01-2021 11:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I am sorry that I didn't read this thread. Ordered something from Amazon UK, now stuck at customs for 3 days. I need this as soon as possible as well.

Total C-fluck. Not doing that again, its the lack of consistency that kills it.

Yep. Better off ordering from amazon.de

Gregor Samsa · 13-01-2021 11:33am

TheValeyard wrote: »

Yep. Better off ordering from amazon.de

Well, delivery isn't exactly fast for amazon.de - recent order took 8 days to arrive here. All my amazon UK orders since the new year are faster than that. But fvp4 is right, there's no consistency or reliability, which is an issue.

Gregor Samsa · 13-01-2021 11:47am

Delivery delays aside, once you're buying either "sold by Amazon" or "fulfilled by Amazon" items from the UK site, you're not going to be hit by anything more than you pay for at the checkout. Irish VAT and any customs is added for items from these sellers at the time of purchase. Also remember that Customs charges are only ever charged on orders more than €150, and even then a lot of common items (whether they're made in the UK or not) are on 0% rates no matter what the cost. This includes most household electrical items.

Once the seller is registered for VAT in the UK, Amazon take off the UK VAT (20%) and add on the Irish VAT (currently 21%) - so there's only a 1% difference. VAT on imports is currently not being applied at all on orders under €22, so there's actually great value to be had at the moment on getting small items from UK sellers on Amazon, as you get the, VAT free (this will end in the summer, and VAT will be charged on all items regardless of cost). Anything actually sent from an Amazon warehouse should have the correct paperwork on the package, and should sail though Customs without issue.

The main problem is buying from 3rd party sellers that ship the goods themselves. In this case, Amazon don't collect the Irish VAT or any customs charges, and it's up to the seller to put the correct documentation on the package - which most of them don't do. These are the ones usually getting stuck at Customs, and attracting extra charges before delivery.

Hurrache · 13-01-2021 11:47am

Get Real wrote: »

You can see the Lidl UK/Irish brand is Crownfield but the EU one is Countryside.

Makes no odds to me, I'd be happy with more continental EU products direct from EU tbh.

What I couldn't understand was why there was a mix of them in the same "pallet" as such. Rather than a full tray of Countryside by itself. That's what puts me off thinking its Brexit related. Just an observation though.

Might be simply because of labelling. Food stuff sold in the EU need to have an EU address. The Crownfield one probably had a UK address only which technically they shouldn't be selling any more.

Real Life · 13-01-2021 11:59am

Random Account wrote: »

Daughter said she spent 45 euro on clothes from pretty little thing website. Looked at my card charged 45 euro aswell on custom charges. Cried myself to sleep. **** brexit

Just a heads up on buying form clothes shops online, ASOS is not affected in the same way many of the other similar shops are as they have a base in I think Germany so anything we buy here will now come from there. Something to keep in mind when clothes shopping online.

Gregor Samsa · 13-01-2021 12:20pm

Random Account wrote: »

Daughter said she spent 45 euro on clothes from pretty little thing website. Looked at my card charged 45 euro aswell on custom charges. Cried myself to sleep. **** brexit

There's something wrong here.

There's no customs charges on imports under €150.

PLT are VAT registered in the UK, so they won't be charging UK VAT on exports. The prices on prettylittlething.ie already include Irish VAT.

PLT state

WILL I BE CHARGED CUSTOMS AND IMPORT DUTIES?
EU deliveries – All orders to EU addresses will be delivered with all duties and taxes paid by us.

https://www.prettylittlething.ie/delivery-information

Like most big retailers in the UK that are used to exporting, they're fully set up to collect Irish (or any EU) VAT, so there's no extra to be paid after the fact.

The WTO Customs Duty rate on (most) clothes made in countries that don't have a trade agreement with the UK (like China) is 12%. But this would only apply to orders over €150, and PLT would charge it up front, so the order total at time of checkout would include it.

But even if one was buying an item that attracted the very highest rate of Customs Duty, and both UK and Irish VAT were added together, there's no way the markup could be 100%.

Are you sure when she "said" she spent €45 she was correct?

Hurrache · 13-01-2021 12:28pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Like most big retailers in the UK that are used to exporting, they're fully set up to collect Irish (or any EU) VAT, so there's no extra to be paid after the fact.

But even if one was buying an item that attracted the very highest rate of Customs Duty, and both UK and Irish VAT were added together, there's no way the markup could be 100%.

Are you sure when she "said" she spent €45 she was correct?

Not necessarily true, there's been numerous instances of this sort of thing, most high profile one I'm aware of is Microsoft, in which people have had similar issues with IT and Xbox hardware. It's one I'm following anyway as I do get most of our hardware from them whenever we need something.
This poster

jodome wrote: »

Sort of a reverse bargain alert / #brexit nuisance

I ordered a new controller for my Series X off the Microsoft website and sat back to wait. UPS pushed the delivery due date back a day and it arrived today. With a bill for an extra 40/EUR in taxes because, even though I ordered on Microsoft's Ireland site, they were shipping from the UK. Refused the delivery and called Microsoft (1800 71 0200 in case anyone finds themselves in a similar spot). They are aware of the issue and for the moment don't recommend placing a new order. They'll look to issue a refund once the item is returned to them by UPS.

and these examples
https://twitter.com/Noelle_OC/status/1347158625278636034
https://twitter.com/damiencollins8/status/1348584389576454145

Gregor Samsa · 13-01-2021 12:45pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Not necessarily true, there's been numerous instances of this sort of thing, most high profile one I'm aware of is Microsoft, in which people have had similar issues with IT and Xbox hardware. It's one I'm following anyway as I do get most of our hardware from them whenever we need something.
This poster

There's going to be mistakes and cockups for sure. And when they do happen, they're going to be difficult to sort out. The important thing is that people know what they should be charged, and under what circumstances. That guy with the X-Box controller was right to refuse the package.

I think most problems are going to be down to the lack of proper paperwork. If the seller messes up the paperwork, it's going to be a nightmare alright. All kinds of doublecharging and delays.

Every package needs a CN 22 or CN 23 form (depending on the value of the package) stuck outside the package, that details the goods, the value, the country of origin, etc. If Irish VAT and Duty have already been paid at the time of purchase, that has to be declared on the paperwork too. Without all of this, the package is going to be liable to inspection, charges, handling fees, etc.

You would expect Microsoft to get this right, though. So it is a sobering and cautionary story.

hello2020 · 13-01-2021 1:05pm

Real Life wrote: »

Just a heads up on buying form clothes shops online, ASOS is not affected in the same way many of the other similar shops are as they have a base in I think Germany so anything we buy here will now come from there. Something to keep in mind when clothes shopping online.

Any suggestion about impact on laptop purchases from Amazon UK? Since laptop is priced above 400 euros , will it attract any custom charge or gets delivered to home as before?

Gregor Samsa · 13-01-2021 1:31pm

hello2020 wrote: »

Any suggestion about impact on laptop purchases from Amazon UK? Since laptop is priced above 400 euros , will it attract any custom charge or gets delivered to home as before?

Who is the seller? If it’s Amazon, or fulfilled by Amazon, just put it in the cart and go to the checkout. You’ll see exactly what the end cost will be, as all VAT and any customs will be charged there.

If it’s a third party seller that ships themselves, or a marketplace seller, chances are you’ll be hit by VAT on arrival, at 21%. Plus whatever the delivery company decide to charge in “handling fees” for the privilege of charging you the VAT.

There’s zero customs duty on laptops regardless of cost or origin:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20210113&Area=GB&MeasType=&StartPub=&EndPub=&MeasText=&GoodsText=&op=&Taric=8471300000&search_text=goods&textSearch=&LangDescr=en&OrderNum=&Regulation=&measStartDat=&measEndDat=

SeeMoreBut · 13-01-2021 3:24pm

Was going to buy something from sports direct and from .ie site but wasn't sure if it I'd get hit with extra charges or not as I expect it to get sent from uk

I think that is the general consensus

Kermit.de.frog · 13-01-2021 3:28pm

Amazon should set up .ie address and serve the island of Ireland from a distribution center here.

I think this will happen soon.

Cina · 13-01-2021 3:36pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Amazon should set up .ie address and serve the island of Ireland from a distribution center here.

I think this will happen soon.

Not likely. Their Singapore site is the only one for a country remotely comparable in population/economy to us and that's basically a hub for SE Asia anyway. Every other site is for massive economies. No chance they'll set one up for lowly little Ireland!

I'd say the most likely outcome is a gradual shift away from the .co.uk. site to the .fr and .de sites for Irish customers.

Triangle · 13-01-2021 3:41pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Won’t buy anything from .co.Uk sites for the foreseeable.

I’ll review in a few weeks

It's not just Co. UK sites.
I got some cables from cablemonkey. Ie that are liable for Vat.

Just make sure they have an Irish or eu distribution center holding the stock.

Gregor Samsa · 13-01-2021 3:47pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Amazon should set up .ie address and serve the island of Ireland from a distribution center here.

I think this will happen soon.

But there's no need for them to do that. They have everything in place for them to sell to Ireland via .co.uk already, with Irish VAT collected at the checkout. For the majority of items sold and fulfilled by Amazon, the experiences and cost for Irish customers is exactly the same as it was before Brexit.

For the small percentage of stock that does attract Customs Duty (remember, there's no Customs Duty at all on orders under €150, which the vast majority of Amazon orders are, and there's also none on most consumer electronics and many other common items - clothing being a notable exception), setting up a whole Irish operation isn't worth the effort.

There's only a problem with 3rd party and Marketplace sellers, but that won't be solved by a .ie site, because those things aren't being shipped by Amazon anyway.

Gregor Samsa · 13-01-2021 3:53pm

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

Was going to buy something from sports direct and from .ie site but wasn't sure if it I'd get hit with extra charges or not as I expect it to get sent from uk

I think that is the general consensus

Sports Direct say they're set up to collect all applicable EU taxes for EU costumers:

For customers based outside the UK but in the EU: the prices for goods on the Website include all applicable taxes.

https://help.sportsdirect.com/support/solutions/articles/76000021985-terms-conditions-non-uk-customers-

That means what you see in the Checkout is the final price, and you should not be hit for anything else on delivery.

If you are, something has gone wrong, and you should refuse the delivery and contact Sports Direct.

The_Brood · 14-01-2021 7:33pm

Numerous things ordered from the UK, including medical appliances, not being delivered/lost/postponed for who knows how long.

Obviously lots of people with bigger issues as well.

The Brits have well and truly screwed us and many others in Europe as well.

Is there anyone who will hold them accountable? They need to be blocked, barred, blacklisted from every facet of life in the EU. Things really need to get dirty. They need to be made to pay for this.

Seth Brundle · 14-01-2021 7:52pm

The_Brood wrote: »

Numerous things ordered from the UK, including medical appliances, not being delivered/lost/postponed for who knows how long.

Obviously lots of people with bigger issues as well.

The Brits have well and truly screwed us and many others in Europe as well.

Is there anyone who will hold them accountable? They need to be blocked, barred, blacklisted from every facet of life in the EU. Things really need to get dirty. They need to be made to pay for this.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
I don't believe that the issues are deliberate but more down to a lack of preparation by the UK government in terms of recruiting customs staff and for preparing businesses in how to manage the required export paperwork.
Many companies are unable to produce because of the disruption to required imported raw materials.
Whilst it's a right clusterfupp it's not revenge or them punishing us!

The_Brood · 14-01-2021 8:01pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
I don't believe that the issues are deliberate but more down to a lack of preparation by the UK government in terms of recruiting customs staff and for preparing businesses in how to manage the required export paperwork.
Many companies are unable to produce because of the disruption to required imported raw materials.
Whilst it's a right clusterfupp it's not revenge or them punishing us!

That really doesn't matter. They were told it would cause problems, they voted for it anyway. They voted for Brexit, then they voted for parties that backed Brexit. Or they stood by and watched it happen. It's on them.

BattleCorp · 14-01-2021 8:07pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Amazon should set up .ie address and serve the island of Ireland from a distribution center here.

I think this will happen soon.

The distribution centre is built. They recently installed the racking. They aren't too far away from starting to stock it. But from looking at the type of racking they installed, I'd guess they are going to stock it with main sellers and then the slower moving items will come in from abroad.

peasant · 14-01-2021 9:37pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
I don't believe that the issues are deliberate but more down to a lack of preparation by the UK government in terms of recruiting customs staff and for preparing businesses in how to manage the required export paperwork.
Many companies are unable to produce because of the disruption to required imported raw materials.
Whilst it's a right clusterfupp it's not revenge or them punishing us!

Yes but...

They had four years to get their sovereignty and their fish..four bloody years and they left it to the last minute to prepare exactly ...nothing.

The UK currently is a black hole when it comes to freight. Anything (in work) we've shipped to UK customers so far hasn't arrived and materials we need can't leave.
Thankfully 90% of our business - in and out - is outside of the UK, but even that is seriously impacted because you have to ship it around the long way with limited capacity and extra days lost.

Seth Brundle · 14-01-2021 9:49pm

Agreed but it's pure and simple incompetence and not down to malice.

BattleCorp · 15-01-2021 11:47am

I wonder how the NHS are getting on with their extra £350 million per week?

Caquas · 02-02-2021 10:18pm

Caquas wrote: »

Before Brexit, I was highly impressed with Amazon Prime. Stuff I ordered just after Christmas was arriving in a day or two.

Then I ordered a couple of things on 1 January. They were in stock and ready for next day delivery but when I said deliver to Ireland I was told they would arrive on 12 January. The items were dispatched on 4 Jan. and "cleared customs" on 5 Jan. . Then nothing although the message switched to "arriving tomorrow by 9 pm", then "arriving today by 9 pm." but the items were not "out for delivery".

Now I get this

I'm not expecting anything will turn up tomorrow or the day after, so I will get a stupid refund.:mad:

I have a couple of other items in my basket and when I give an address in England, I'm promised delivery by 14 January. When I switch to my Irish address, delivery isn't until 26 January. Still cheaper than Amazon.de and same delay.

Amazon seem to have sorted most of their Brexit problems. I ordered a couple of things on Saturday, delivery was estimated for next Friday but, hey presto, they were delivered in good order this morning. Not quite the speed I was getting before Brexit but good enough to forget about Amazon.de, not to mention Article 16 and Larne loyalists

CrazyFather1 · 02-02-2021 10:23pm

I am ordering more than every from Amazon, have a prime membership so I get deliveries now 7 days a week when compared to 5 days. Quicker now with depot in Dublin. Plus if I keep under the clip I get more off them. Couple of Hue bulbs the other day for 15 pound compared to the normally 22 pound is just an example.

insert name here 123 · 06-03-2021 10:39am

I was going to order from sportsdirect.ie but not sure if I will be hit with vat when order arrives?

I couldn't see anything on their website, bas anyone ordered from them recently and had any issue's?

Thanks ðŸ˜Š

So - Brexit and Ireland - what are the consequences?

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