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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3512
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    I said you would be guaranteed to get covid in hospital now.

    I said I presume people are avoiding hospital.

    Reading comprehension perhaps not a strong suit.

    Pat kenny just interviewed someone senior in the HSE and she volunteered that front line staff in hospitals are not mandated to take tests. They basically have the choice of refusing the test when offered and can mosey on to the ward where they are dealing with the elderly and vulnerable with no repercussions.


  • #3513
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Current hospitalisations at 1,499 according to RTE there, but 1,426 on Data Hub
    ??

    1426 was yesterday morning.
    1499 was last night operations report. This doesnt go on the data hub.
    1575 is today per the data hub.


  • #3514
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Up 149 on yesterday, but Hub says 104 admissions.
    Does that mean 45 cases detected in hospital after admission?

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1348560155898744832

    71 cases detected in hospital after admission

    Yesterday+admissions-discharges+detections=cases


  • #3515
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    More or less of a pinch of salt than the published case numbers?

    This crisis will long be remembered for the amount of fake numbers and horsesh1t spouted


  • #3516
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,111 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    It's not slowing yet..Doubling time ~5 days. It is exponential unfortunately. if it keeps going. Hope HCWs can weather it.

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    She got a good grilling from Pat Kenny and I learned some new and quite disturbing, it would seem staff testing is NOT mandatory in HSE, this is just astonishing if true, Poor Pat almost had a heart attack. I get vaccine concerns etc but to think HSE staff can refuse to be tested is quite a surprise, it seems the same goes in private settings albeit I suspect those staff might find hours cut if they refused.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • #3517
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,111 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Pat kenny just interviewed someone senior in the HSE and she volunteered that front line staff in hospitals are not mandated to take tests. They basically have the choice of refusing the test when offered and can mosey on to the ward where they are dealing with the elderly and vulnerable with no repercussions.

    I'm still in shock, was listening, she's quite astonishingly the COO (Interim) at the HSE

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #3518
    The Mighty Quinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭The Mighty Quinn


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    This crisis will long be remembered for the amount of fake numbers and horsesh1t spouted

    Or.. you know.... long remembered for the absolute pandemonium it caused, the lives it cost, the economic shock of it, that kinda thing.


  • #3519
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    I'm still in shock, was listening, she's quite astonishingly the COO (Interim) at the HSE

    This sounds ridiculously stupid. There are clearly outbreaks in hospitals and patients are by definition vulnerable if suffering from a different ailment that requires hospitalisation.

    They'd want to stop that sh!t asap. Crazy. It's probably leading to people dying that didn't need to die.


  • #3520
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Pat kenny just interviewed someone senior in the HSE and she volunteered that front line staff in hospitals are not mandated to take tests. They basically have the choice of refusing the test when offered and can mosey on to the ward where they are dealing with the elderly and vulnerable with no repercussions.

    Yeah but realistically how many of them actually do this. I've heard Pat Kenny a number of times trying to make out that a lot nurses are sloppy etc.


  • #3521
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Varadkar on Today FM saying general population will get vaccine sometime after Easter and that there will be 15 mass vaccination sites around the country.


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  • #3522
    [Deleted User]
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Varadkar on Today FM saying general population will get vaccine sometime after Easter and that there will be 15 mass vaccination sites around the country.

    “Sometime after Easter”? So 2022 then. Or perhaps he meant Easter 2022....

    Seriously though, I think there is so much overpromising going on

    (I hope I am wrong)


  • #3523
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    “Sometime after Easter”? So 2022 then. Or perhaps he meant Easter 2022....

    Seriously though, I think there is so much overpromising going on

    (I hope I am wrong)

    Question: "when are you going to get that work done by?"

    Answer "Some time in the future"

    You couldn't be more vague.


  • #3524
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Question: "when are you going to get that work done by?"

    Answer "Some time in the future"

    You couldn't be more vague.

    Should he have come out with

    Stop asking. It will depend on what gets approved.


  • #3525
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Deleted User wrote: »
    “Sometime after Easter”? So 2022 then. Or perhaps he meant Easter 2022....

    Seriously though, I think there is so much overpromising going on

    (I hope I am wrong)

    Well yeah it is vague but guess there's a hope that vulnerable and healthcare workers would be vaccinated by then at least. I think it's vague enough that anytime after Easter this year within a few months could count.


  • #3526
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,111 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Varadkar on Today FM saying general population will get vaccine sometime after Easter and that there will be 15 mass vaccination sites around the country.

    I'm just filled with a new sense of confidence now that Leaky Leo has spoken (NOT)

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #3527
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The important part of the question is when will it finish. Not when will it start. Subtle difference.

    By saying it'll be done some time after easter (some arbitrary, non specific future date) it doesn't tell us anything.

    Contrast with UK response.

    "Everyone over the age of 18 will be offered a Covid-19 vaccine by the autumn""

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1348305617669259269?s=20


  • #3528
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Not sure if it's been reported but over 100 new cases in China. It's the virus that keeps on giving.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cases/new-coronavirus-cases-in-china-double-mainly-in-hebei-province-idUSKBN29F01V


  • #3529
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    Dail should have been recalled at least remotely for Government to answer ongoing questions.

    Leo Varadker doing the rounds of Radio Stations this morning is not an acceptable substitute


  • #3530
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    The important part of the question is when will it finish. Not when will it start. Subtle difference.

    By saying it'll be done some time after easter (some arbitrary, non specific future date) it doesn't tell us anything.

    Contrast with UK response.

    "Everyone over the age of 18 will be offered a Covid-19 vaccine by the autumn""

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1348305617669259269?s=20
    The UK has promised many things and Hancock is bit of a Tigger in seeing everything as super positive and real until he has to change his message.

    Our plan has similar claims. It's not outlandish once we get the supplies needed to do so.


  • #3531
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Varadkar on Today FM saying general population will get vaccine sometime after Easter and that there will be 15 mass vaccination sites around the country.

    He clarified that by general public he was referring to those under 70.

    I think with AstraZeneca in February and J&J potentially also around the same time that calling forward groups of general population from April on should be very realistic, obviously working their way down the age range of course


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  • #3532
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    quartz1 wrote: »
    Dail should have been recalled at least remotely for Government to answer ongoing questions.

    Leo Varadker doing the rounds of Radio Stations this morning is not an acceptable substitute
    For what? The "questions" are for the HSE and possibly Donnelly. What questions actually need asking?


  • #3533
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    quartz1 wrote: »
    Leo Varadker doing the rounds of Radio Stations this morning is not an acceptable substitute

    How about Martin ? He's on Newstalk now


  • #3534
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Should he have come out with

    Stop asking. It will depend on what gets approved.

    No and yes he could have answered it truthfully and said "I don't know , it'll depend on when we get our allocation."

    No need to waffle. Better to foster trust.


  • #3535
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    How about Martin ? He's on Newstalk now

    He’s basically saying the general public had already begun to be less compliant with 2 weeks to the end of the lockdown in November and wouldn’t of continued with compliance. If pubs and shops aren’t open people can’t mingle as much socially.

    He mentioned household spread but households are still available for people (who won’t comply with regulations) during lockdowns. Not just that you can’t close houses, you can close shops and pubs, bit disingenuous argument.

    Still annoying because the public wanted things to open up, what responsibility with the people of Ireland take for the state of things? Cant pawn off all responsibility to the government.


  • #3536
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    No and yes he could have answered it truthfully and said "I don't know , it'll depend on when we get our allocation."

    No need to waffle. Better to foster trust.
    The issues affecting them , rightly or wrongly, are other people making pronouncements on the plan, especially the perceived slow roll out. They'll naturally push back against that.


  • #3537
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The issues affecting them , rightly or wrongly, are other people making pronouncements on the plan, especially the perceived slow roll out. They'll naturally push back against that.

    In fairness it's a rock and a hard place. I do understand that. Would be great if they could give a concrete answer.


  • #3538
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Drumpot wrote: »
    He’s basically saying the general public had already begun to be less compliant with 2 weeks to the end of the lockdown in November and wouldn’t of continued with compliance. If pubs and shops aren’t open people can’t mingle as much socially.

    He mentioned household spread but households are still available for people (who won’t comply with regulations) during lockdowns. Not just that you can’t close houses, you can close shops and pubs, bit disingenuous argument.

    Still annoying because the public wanted things to open up, what responsibility with the people of Ireland take for the state of things? Cant pawn off all responsibility to the government.
    Yeah, slipping compliance rates have been anticipated for months. Households behaviour depend on personal responsibility and cannot be policed so they try to limit mixing opportunities. Our situation is not unique, it's been replicated in many other countries.


  • #3539
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    In fairness it's a rock and a hard place. I do understand that. Would be great if they could give a concrete answer.
    At present I don't think they can do anything more than hide behind the plan and the kinds of mass vaccinations that will make the outcome more concrete are a good 2-3 months away.


  • #3540
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    My concern is they've not outlined when restrictions will be relaxed once the most vulnerable have been vaccinated.


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  • #3541
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    Martin and Varadker on different radio stations rolling out the blame game against the Public and NPHET.


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