Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Sand · 09-01-2021 11:30PM

Overheal wrote: »

I knew finally, someone would be along to make this idiotic stance.

"Woah, looting Reeboks & Nikes wasn't domestic terrorism but trying to kidnap the joint session of the United States Congress is suddenly a problem? Jesus Christ this is what is wrong with you liberals."

I knew the American guy who always shows up to demonize police officers shooting unarmed Americans would be conjured too. And I predicted your stance too.

It's all so tiresome.

Overheal · 09-01-2021 11:31PM

Sand wrote: »

Bludgeoned to death? Fake news much?

He went back to his office and collapsed at some later point. He was hardly torn apart by some bloodthirsty mob. The real question is why werent you as exercised by the deaths of police officers at the hands of BLM motivated killers?

I know - the media told you it was peaceful protest.

Are you really being an apologist for whoever murdered him? Is this a real thing that I am reading.

namloc1980 · 09-01-2021 11:32PM

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Some Republican Senators looking for a redemption arc.

jill_valentine · 09-01-2021 11:32PM

Sand wrote: »

I knew the American guy who always shows up to demonize police officers shooting unarmed Americans would be conjured too. And I predicted your stance too.

It's all so tiresome.

I take it from you having to get personal you can't address anything then.

Sand · 09-01-2021 11:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think you overestimate how clever your argument is. Babbet was attempt to breach the chamber and that's about all I know. So it really depends on the details and I frankly can't judge until the investigation is completed. What we do know is the insurrection is largely being viewed as an act of terrorism and the parties involved are facing years of jail time.

Why did you feel the need to downplay the bludgeoning of a police officer that resulted in his death? Multiple bombs were found, targeting both Republicans and Dems.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/08/politics/us-capitol-riots-arrest-pelosi-desk/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Edit : Oh NVM, she was armed and trying to breach a chamber containing multiple politicians... More shocking she got that close.

At best, what you are claiming is that the BLM/Antifa riots never threatened the interests of the establishment so never justified violent defense of those interests. So we agree on that.

Overheal · 09-01-2021 11:33PM

Sand wrote: »

How would you describe the death of Ashli Babbet?

Carrying a backpack laden with no certain contents, she lunged through a door to attack lawmakers sheltering in place in the Speaker's Lobby on the 2nd floor of the Capitol. She knowingly did so in full view of drawn firearms.

She died an inept terrorist.

09-01-2021 11:34PM

Overheal wrote: »

I knew finally, someone would be along to make this idiotic stance.

"Woah, looting Reeboks & Nikes wasn't domestic terrorism but trying to kidnap the joint session of the United States Congress is suddenly a problem? Jesus Christ this is what is wrong with you liberals."

Sand is trying to claim the insurrection was a peaceful insurrection though... The one with multiple bombs... The fact more deaths didn't happen is incredible. Meanwhile everyone hiding in the Capitol are being described as "cowards" by the likes of Sand. I'm not sure if he thinks they should have been volunteering themselves to the guys with the cable ties...

Overheal · 09-01-2021 11:36PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SheWho_Resists/status/1348013553245151232

The 3 Percenters are the group who made plans to kidnap and execute the Governor of Michigan.

This needs to be vetted.

namloc1980 · 09-01-2021 11:36PM

Sand wrote: »

How would you describe the death of Ashli Babbet?

I can already guess, but I want you to consider how they differ and who told you to believe that. You might also consider why you so uncritically believe what you're told by perceived authority but that might be a step too far.

She died as an inept traitor trying to break through a door in the US Capitol where she was taking part in a treasonous insurrection.

PhiloCypher · 09-01-2021 11:36PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ashley Babbitt,

She illegally entered the capitol building.

She tried to climb through a broken window, She was told to get back even while a gun was pointed at her.

She continues to try climb through the window and was shot, she died from her own stupidity.

On the other side of that door was the chamber where most of the government were attempting to certify an election. No one knew if she was armed or not, she was perceived to be a threat and was treated as such.

She no doubt saw that gun toting militia storm the Michigan statehouse with nary a shot being fired , so it probably never entered her head they'd shoot. They were building to this for months, testing boundaries.

Overheal · 09-01-2021 11:38PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Some Republican Senators looking for a redemption arc.

You know what, for a week, let them.

They'll be treated with suspicion the rest of their lives, but let's see some Howard Bakers right now please finally.

Sand · 09-01-2021 11:39PM

Overheal wrote: »

Are you really being an apologist for whoever murdered him? Is this a real thing that I am reading.

I know you still think Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer for shooting the 3 guys trying to chase him down and beat him to death. Yet you simultaneously believe the shooting of Babbet is justified because she was a domestic terrorist because she was in a place she shouldn't have been. I'm okay with us having different views. I'd second guess myself if we ever agreed on something.

Overheal · 09-01-2021 11:39PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

I take it from you having to get personal you can't address anything then.

markodaly · 09-01-2021 11:41PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Hilary got no end of abuse when she called Trump's supporters "deplorables". she wasn't wrong.

That one statement cost her the election and ushered in the last 4 years. How did that go?

Classic Democrat overreach.

everlast75 · 09-01-2021 11:42PM

A little urine escaped when i read this...

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1348021032951668737?s=19

listermint · 09-01-2021 11:42PM

It's all still equally as delicious as it was this morning. Just cutting up slivers of the outrage. Dipped in outrage sauce with a side order of whataboutery .

everlast75 · 09-01-2021 11:43PM

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1348028043936165888?s=19

09-01-2021 11:43PM

Sand wrote: »

At best, what you are claiming is that the BLM/Antifa riots never threatened the interests of the establishment so never justified violent defense of those interests. So we agree on that.

They were trying to overrule an election result in an effort to enable a tyrant, that's most definitely terrorism... BLM had violent elements but was primarily peaceful protest as a result of police killings, it had an actual thing to protest. I know you're in denial about that fact but it is.

It was an incredibly large movement btw meanwhile a reasonably small group took the Capitol in an effort to either kill or take politicians hostage to undermine an election. I think it says more about you than anything else that you tried to downplay the murder of a police officer and think politicians are cowards for not offering themselves up to be tied up or killed.

listermint · 09-01-2021 11:44PM

markodaly wrote: »

That one statement cost her the election and ushered in the last 4 years. How did that go?

Classic Democrat overreach.

Her loss brought back the senate the house and the presidency to the Dems.

I'd say she's pretty ok with it. Deplorables on full display now to tear apart the GOP for years.

Just top top work.

everlast75 · 09-01-2021 11:46PM

Quick question.

How are Trump's chances for that Nobel prize doing?

listermint · 09-01-2021 11:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They were trying to overrule an election result in an effort to enable a tyrant, that's most definitely terrorism... BLM had violent elements but was primarily peaceful protest as a result of police killings, it had an actual thing to protest. I know you're in denial about that fact but it is.

It was an incredibly large movement btw meanwhile a reasonably small group took the Capitol in an effort to either kill or take politicians hostage to undermine an election. I think it says more about you than anything else that you tried to downplay the murder of a police officer and think politicians are cowards for not offering themselves up to be tied up or killed.

Huh?

The guys with the cable ties, the screams of shoot pence and hang pelosi and who built a guillotine ...

They just wanted to talk.

Sure it's all free speech.... Or something.

Harmless.

Overheal · 09-01-2021 11:47PM

Sand wrote: »

I know you still think Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer for shooting the 3 guys trying to chase him down and beat him to death.

Baseless deflection. This is not a self defense/vigilantism case. This was a coup d'etat. Ad hominem to boot.

Yet you simultaneously believe the shooting of Babbet is justified because she was a domestic terrorist because she was in a place she shouldn't have been. I'm okay with us having different views. I'd second guess myself if we ever agreed on something.

Tell me if this definition doesn't fit the terrorist and why:

18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions

(5)the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A)involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B)appear to be intended—
(i)to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii)to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii)to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping

09-01-2021 11:47PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Quick question.

How are Trump's chances for that Nobel prize doing?

His chances of winning a darwin award are through the roof, he might get a razzie for some his speeches as of late too.

Professor Moriarty · 09-01-2021 11:47PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Quick question.

How are Trump's chances for that Nobel prize doing?

Did you mean Knob prize?

LessOutragePlz · 09-01-2021 11:49PM

What are the chances that they'll get the required majority to find him guilty of the charges after the trial in the senate?

markodaly · 09-01-2021 11:50PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Parler was offered a chance to put some kind of effective moderation policy in place, and was permanently taken down when it did not.

It may not always feel like it given how long it took for them to kick in in Trump's case, but both Twitter and Facebook spend an enormous amount of money moderating their content. Facebook's staff here is probably mostly dedicated to that, in fact.

Ah, yea, Facebook are sooooo good at it, they allow live streaming of murder, rape and terrorist incidents, like the Christchurch massacre.
They are so good at it, they outsource moderation and are being brought to court due to damage sustained by the people working there.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/12/facebook-settlement-mental-health-moderators

They are so good at their business model, that the ECB is in the process of getting them to spin out Instagram and WhatApp as separate businesses due to Anti-Trust issues, with the Americans not far behind.

Facebook are angels.

Again, I love self-identifying left-wingers espouse the virtues of some of the most powerful, rich an influential capitalist corporations the world has ever known.
It just goes to show, this is not about right or wrong, its about power and having it in your pocket.

jill_valentine · 09-01-2021 11:53PM

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, yea, Facebook are sooooo good at it, they allow live streaming of murder, rape and terrorist incidents, like the Christchurch massacre.
They are so good at it, they outsource moderation and are being brought to court due to damage sustained by the people working there.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/12/facebook-settlement-mental-health-moderators

They are so good at their business model, that the ECB is in the process of getting them to spin out Instagram and WhatApp as separate businesses due to Anti-Trust issues, with the Americans not far behind.

Facebook are angels.

Again, I love self-identifying left-wingers espouse the virtues of some of the most powerful, rich an influential capitalist corporations the world has ever known.
It just goes to show, this is not about right or wrong, its about power and having it in your pocket.

Grand, none of this has anything to do with the point of my post though. Feel free to scroll back to remind yourself of what ye were pretending to ask about.

listermint · 09-01-2021 11:53PM

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, yea, Facebook are sooooo good at it, they allow live streaming of murder, rape and terrorist incidents, like the Christchurch massacre.
They are so good at it, they outsource moderation and are being brought to court due to damage sustained by the people working there.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/12/facebook-settlement-mental-health-moderators

They are so good at their business model, that the ECB is in the process of getting them to spin out Instagram and WhatApp as separate businesses due to Anti-Trust issues, with the Americans not far behind.

Facebook are angels.

Again, I love self-identifying left-wingers espouse the virtues of some of the most powerful, rich an influential capitalist corporations the world has ever known.
It just goes to show, this is not about right or wrong, its about power and having it in your pocket.

Think you might have over reached there. She merely made the point they spend alot of money doing it. In fact theres an entire building in Dublin with hundreds of staff working all the time doing it.

You can hold that factual information and still think Facebook needs to be broke up for disrupting impressionable people's with lies fed via AI.

Sand · 09-01-2021 11:54PM

Overheal wrote: »

Baseless deflection.

Acknowledgement of my point.

I'm not trying to point score of you. You don't need to defend it to me. Just take it away and think about why you believe Rittenhouse (in justifiable fear of his life while being chased by a mob) is a murderer and that guy who gunned down an unarmed protestor is not. Are you suddenly the guy who defends the temples of the establishment? Is invading a police station now justifiable for being killed in your view?

Maybe link the dissonance back to what your social media, mainstream media and corporations are telling you to think. I predicted what you would think because of what they think. Your argument is not with me.

markodaly · 09-01-2021 11:54PM

listermint wrote: »

Her loss brought back the senate the house and the presidency to the Dems.

I'd say she's pretty ok with it. Deplorables on full display now to tear apart the GOP for years.

Just top top work.

Really? You mean to say, the last 4 years was worth it, because now the Democrats are in the seat of power (with a razor-thin margin in the Senate).
It was all worth it, for what?

A very very odd comment tbh.

History is not kind to parties who hold all levels of power in the US. Odds on that the midterms in 2022 will see the Democrats given a kicking because the Democrats will overreach.

Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

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