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Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Overheal wrote: »
    Repeatedly mused about delaying it

    Tried to upend the postal service to defeat distance voting

    Rushed through RBG's replacement within a week, citing the need for a conserative majority to hand him wins in election suits

    Sued the pants off the election result

    Called and harassed election officials and principle investigators to either find fraud or say they found fraud

    Incited a coup d'etat to stop the peaceful transition of power




    You're right, he's a terrible fascist, but he's still very much one.

    I would point out that the communist party in Russia held an election and didn't rig in their favour (or at least not very well) since they lost. They then took over via force and succeeded which is why they were in power afterwards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    More than half of America think the election was stolen from them and there has being no transparency into all the voting irregularities this time around and was told 'nothing to see here and any thing that was brought to court was thrown out before any evidence was allowed be shown. These irregularities should be investigated correctly, telling the public 'nothing to see' here is causing the American divide to grow even more.

    More than half of Germany thought Adolf was doing a smashing job as Supreme Chancellor, too, all the while waging war.

    Argumentum ad populum.

    This was all investigated correctly. Nobody said "nothing to see here," there were 60+ court cases, dozens of hearings & at every level of government the appeals were considered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Gradius wrote: »
    Crystal clarity here, it's quite satisfying really :)

    And equally, NOT banning a load of other nutters for the exact same reason will help bring about misfortune to countless people.

    What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.



    Yes, you've made your point perfectly clear about the other cases. How about owning up to the one at hand?


    They should indeed cut off uncivil, or seditious comments from all parties. But you seem to be confused about this, not sure what you are claiming should be done.

    This thread is about the insurrection, not Twitter, and yet, this is waht seems to obsess you. The matter at hand is Chump's insurrection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    There was a huge difference, Those complaining back in 2016 were just over emotional that their candidate lost and were being told it was the beginning of the third Reich which is obviously was not, More than half of America think the election was stolen from them and there has being no transparency into all the voting irregularities this time around and was told 'nothing to see here and any thing that was brought to court was thrown out before any evidence was allowed be shown. These irregularities should be investigated correctly, telling the public 'nothing to see' here is causing the American divide to grow even more.

    Very sad to see the state of America going forward.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    The only bias from Twitter was not banning him sooner. He was inviting violence, as he has been for some time. Twitter are partially responsible by not sticking to their own rules and banning him ages ago. And that goes for anyone else on their platform they allow to violate the rules.

    I'm glad twitter have banned him, but like all the other social media platforms it is too little too late.
    That is not confined to Trump but plenty of other vile abuses around the world. Facebook was very influential in the Rohingya massacres.
    But it is very embarrassing when the president of the US behaves like a third world despot to such an extent he gets banned on twitter.
    Twitter deserve no credit for this but I'm glad it eventually happened.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Gradius wrote: »
    Crystal clarity here, it's quite satisfying really :)

    And equally, NOT banning a load of other nutters for the exact same reason will help bring about misfortune to countless people.

    What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

    Plenty of people should be banned, around the world, but can you give examples of American democratic politician that should be banned due to their posts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There was a huge difference, Those complaining back in 2016 were just over emotional that their candidate lost and were being told it was the beginning of the third Reich which is obviously was not, More than half of America think the election was stolen from them and there has being no transparency into all the voting irregularities this time around and was told 'nothing to see here and any thing that was brought to court was thrown out before any evidence was allowed be shown. These irregularities should be investigated correctly, telling the public 'nothing to see' here is causing the American divide to grow even more.

    Very sad to see the state of America going forward.

    They were investigated correctly.

    Given they have already been investigated correctly, what are the next steps? (I mean, apart from trump conceding, which is usually what every normal losing candidate has done).

    Say Biden loses in 2024, and there are 60 lawsuits he launches and loses, and he refuses to concede, what can be shown to prove to his supporters that he lost?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    There was a huge difference, Those complaining back in 2016 were just over emotional that their candidate lost and were being told it was the beginning of the third Reich which is obviously was not, More than half of America think the election was stolen from them and there has being no transparency into all the voting irregularities this time around and was told 'nothing to see here and any thing that was brought to court was thrown out before any evidence was allowed be shown. These irregularities should be investigated correctly, telling the public 'nothing to see' here is causing the American divide to grow even more.

    Very sad to see the state of America going forward.

    More than half? G’way out of that. You’re making stuff up again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,274 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Gradius wrote: »
    Men are women now? Both denial of science.

    Your mask has well and truly slipped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,770 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    There is a good reason why the US networks didn't have cameras there, Trump has made it too unsafe for them via his rhetoric, a lot of it coming via Twitter.

    Look at the abuse and violence these media received from the mob. I remember the pages and pages of pearl clutching from certain posters when certain idiotic elements of BLM protests shouted at people eating out. Of course they are nowhere to be found now.

    https://twitter.com/MarquardtA/status/1347719469024612358?s=20

    oh yeah, without doubt there is no way the main networks were sending reporters in there with that mob. Even Fox News staff would not have been safe in there. Later in the evening all the CNN reporters had taken off the CNN branding on their microphones as they reported from among the Trump mob.

    Much of the original footage seems to be have taken by freelance journalists who presumably sold their footage to the networks asap. But this video of a cop being almost crushed in the doors that only surfaced today is likely taken by a Trump supporter who uploaded it to Parler or Discord which is why we are only seeing it now four days after the event. It would have been better had it come out immediately, maybe more Republicans would have condemned the riots sooner if it did.
    If anyone is gonna miss trump's tweets, they haven't been scrubbed from the net, archived here..

    https://twitter.com/_IntelligenceX/status/1347779339518169088?s=19

    They've also got an index of a load of pics/videos from Wednesday.

    Its kind of mad to think that the National Archives in the US are obliged to create a Presidential Library for all past presidents where all their public documents, speeches and presumably now Tweets are displayed for the public. Everything Trump has tweeted will have to be displayed somehow in this library, people can go there and read about him tweeting about sh1thole countries or RIGGED ELECTION, SUPREME COURT! or LIBERATE Michigan!. Id say in time it will become like some sort of macabre tourist attraction.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    May I just say. It's been a fantastic week.

    With all the bad covid news. This trump stuff has been delightful. Really uplifting.

    And I'm cutting through all of this outrage with a virtual knife it's delicious. Theres so much it's hard to eat it in one go. But I'm savouring it in small bites.


    What a week. Toasted a whiskey to it last night too. Pure joy .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,477 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Incredible how all the Republicans are suddenly very interested in unity and just moving on from the fact that President inciting a mob to storm the Capitol.

    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Incredible how all the Republicans are suddenly very interested in unity and just moving on from the President inciting a mob to storm the Capitol.

    .

    It's only ever unity when you lost the house senate and presidency . They'll be after the usual deficit too.

    Classic but expected.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Gradius wrote: »
    I seem to be "enraged".

    "Nazis"

    My point was and is that tech companies are a looming monster over society.

    Now, I understand some people get literal orgasms from talking about trump, and would chop their own arms off to mildly annoy some billionaire bloke thousands of miles away they'll never meet, fixing the value of their life on some ethereal show of virtue to other anonymous weirdoes they'll never meet. It's very wholesome.

    But it's not about him. At all.

    Can you clarify on what you view the Nazis in Charlottesville as? A mix of neo Nazis and white supremacists seems fair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Can you clarify on what you view the Nazis in Charlottesville as? A mix of neo Nazis and white supremacists seems fair.


    I think it has been well established that there were good people on both sides there..........:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    listermint wrote: »
    May I just say. It's been a fantastic week.

    With all the bad covid news. This trump stuff has been delightful. Really uplifting.

    And I'm cutting through all of this outrage with a virtual knife it's delicious. Theres so much it's hard to eat it in one go. But I'm savouring it in small bites.


    What a week. Toasted a whiskey to it last night too. Pure joy .

    Hopefully Biden puts the icing on this cake and tells every law enforcement agency to after Trump and anyone else who helped him.

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1348004115121647622?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Equating looting a footlocker for cheap trainers with storming a government building while 99% of them are sitting in session is kinda silly.

    They’d be free trainers if you were looting them surely ? I mean, if you’re paying anything for trainers during a looting, you’re doing it wrong.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Hopefully Biden puts the icing on this cake and tells every law enforcement agency to after Trump and anyone else who helped him.

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1348004115121647622?s=19

    After that put in proper protections around voting. It can't be left to GOP meddling again for 2022.

    Like how does someone who's in charge of voting registration also put themselves forward in a governer race . That's beyond bizarre in a democratic society. Where's the basic ethics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    listermint wrote: »
    After that put in proper protections around voting. It can't be left to GOP meddling again for 2022.

    Like how does someone who's in charge of voting registration also put themselves forward in a governer race . That's beyond bizarre in a democratic society. Where's the basic ethics.


    And stop with the disenfranchisement of voters in certain red states.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Hellotonever


    'Antifa infiltrated us and made us look bad'

    Jesus christ. This new narrative is f*cking hilarious. This MAGA cult crowd is literally sub 90 IQ


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,600 ✭✭✭francois


    'Antifa infiltrated us and made us look bad'

    Jesus christ. This new narrative is f*cking hilarious. This MAGA cult crowd is literally sub 90 IQ

    A culmination of 40 years of chronic underfunding of education




  • 'Antifa infiltrated us and made us look bad'

    Jesus christ. This new narrative is f*cking hilarious. This MAGA cult crowd is literally sub 90 IQ

    Yeah they are indeed an obviously stupid crowd.

    Playing devil's advocate here, but if you were looking to destabilise a democracy for your own gain - that's the crowd you would be targeting. Similar to how to Cambridge Analytica used to target the so called "undecideds".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,936 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Hilary got no end of abuse when she called Trump's supporters "deplorables". she wasn't wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Oh this just gets better and better.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2021/01/07/a-truth-reckoning-why-were-holding-those-who-lied-for-trump-accountable/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
    From Day One at the Trump White House, up has been down, yes has been no, failure has been success. Sean Spicer set the tone with the inauguration crowd size – the worst kind of whopper, as it demanded that people disbelieve their own eyes. The next day, Kellyanne Conway defended Spicer’s lie with a new term, “alternative facts.” Spicer’s successor, Sarah Huckabee Sanders lied at scale, from smearing those who accused Trump of sexual harassment to conjuring jobs statistics. Her successor, Stephanie Grisham, over the course of a year, never even held a press conference, though the BS continued unabated across friendly outlets. And finally, Kayleigh McEnany, Harvard Law graduate, a propaganda prodigy at 32 who makes smiling falsehood an art form
    Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet. Want to ensure the world’s biggest business media brand approaches you as a potential funnel of disinformation? Then hire away.
    this standard needs to apply to liars from either party. It’s just a realization that, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, in a thriving democracy, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Our national reset starts there.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    What do people think of Apple and Google deciding that yesterday was the day to finally remove the Parler app from their storefront?


    I mean, they were perfectly happy to host it there for quite some time so i'm curious as to what the catalyst for its sudden removal was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Incredible how all the Republicans are suddenly very interested in unity and just moving on from the fact that President inciting a mob to storm the Capitol.

    Incredible how all the media, politicians and corporations are suddenly all tweeting "LAW AND ORDER" when the mobs aren't BLM/Antifa. Suddenly its domestic terrorism, not peaceful protest. It highlights how fake and controlled the BLM/Antifa movement is. This scared them, BLM/Antifa never did.

    Honestly, 2021 clearly beat 2020 when those photos of US politicians cowering came out. It was good to see the same cowards who voted down sending out a measly $2,000 to Americans harmed by COVID lockdowns were terrified when unarmed and non-violent Americans came to visit them to protest. A government should be afraid of its people.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What do people think of Apple and Google deciding that yesterday was the day to finally remove the Parler app from their storefront?


    I mean, they were perfectly happy to host it there for quite some time so i'm curious as to what the catalyst for its sudden removal was.

    Because Parlor is a significant platform for those who participated in the Capitol Insurrection...
    https://www.businessinsider.com/parler-erupted-with-talk-of-revolution-as-mobs-stormed-capitol-2021-1?r=US&IR=T
    Sand wrote: »
    Incredible how all the media, politicians and corporations are suddenly all tweeting "LAW AND ORDER" when the mobs aren't BLM/Antifa. Suddenly its domestic terrorism, not peaceful protest. It highlights how fake and controlled the BLM/Antifa movement is. This scared them, BLM/Antifa never did.

    Honestly, 2021 clearly beat 2020 when those photos of US politicians cowering came out. It was good to see the same cowards who voted down sending out a measly $2,000 to Americans harmed by COVID lockdowns were terrified when unarmed and non-violent Americans came to visit them to protest. A government should be afraid of its people.

    Non violent? A police officer was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher. Their motivation had nothing to do with stimulus checks, it was too overturn an election. You've basically rewritten an insurrection into something it wasn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    What do people think of Apple and Google deciding that yesterday was the day to finally remove the Parler app from their storefront?


    I mean, they were perfectly happy to host it there for quite some time so i'm curious as to what the catalyst for its sudden removal was.

    I assumed Apple Google Facebook and Twitter agreed together in some way.

    If Twitter and Facebook banned Trump it would have promoted Parler.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Because Parlor is a significant platform for those who participated in the Capitol Insurrection...
    https://www.businessinsider.com/parler-erupted-with-talk-of-revolution-as-mobs-stormed-capitol-2021-1?r=US&IR=T


    Shouldn't these companies be removing the Twiitter and Facebook apps as well because they were/are significant platforms for the same people?


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Troll is banned for trolling - it's pretty much as simple as that. He was given a time-out and he went back to trolling.


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