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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #2642
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Yes.

    and we wouldnt need locks if nobody robbed stuff :D

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #2643
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    I don't think the Australian approach could be called draconian or authoritarian. That is hyperbolic. They are generally having a normal time of it because they have hardly any covid on the continent - imagine what that feels like! And then if it erupts they put up with local struict lockdowns that root it out.
    I love travel as much as the next but if strict conditions need to apply to travel then so be it for a few years. If it means one has to be a bit more thoughtful traveling then so what. Better than the way it is now.
    Yep it's great there now!
    Queensland: the lockdown also applies to anyone who has been in the greater Brisbane area since 2 January and is now in another area of Queensland.

    New South Wales: people in NSW who have been in the greater Brisbane area since 2 January must follow the same rules and stay home from 6pm on 8 January to 6pm on 11 January.

    Tasmania: anyone arriving in Tasmania from Friday who has been in Brisbane since 2 January must quarantine for up to 14 days.

    Northern Territory: the greater Brisbane region has been declared a hotspot, meaning anyone arriving in the NT from the area will be given the option of returning or mandatory two-week quarantine.

    South Australia: if you have been in the greater Brisbane area since 2 January you must get tested for Covid. Anyone arriving into SA from midnight 8 January is required to quarantine for two weeks.

    Western Australia: a hard border with Queensland has been reinstated from midnight 8 January.


  • #2644
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Fakediamond wrote: »
    A friend told me about a healthy 31 year old woman, who died at home from Covid-19 yesterday. No underlying conditions that I know of, husband also has it, but is fine.

    Neighbours stood on the road bawling, while men in full ppe gear took her body away. Everyone was traumatised by what they witnessed became I’m told it is a young estate, all with small children etc.

    Please don’t ask me for more details because I don’t have them.

    It shocked, saddened and terrified me though.

    My mother txt me earlier to say a friends father died, he was in his 80’s fair enough... but was in great health and was still working as publican up until he caught it before Xmas. Covid is what killed him, even though he lived a long life I would say old Paddy had a few years life in him yet especially if there was a few quid to be made.

    Sad that the whole family has Covid and the no wake but straight to the chapel.


  • #2645
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,097 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Should be done , we're lacking in that regard

    Government is mainly about economics

    You can see what happens with fauci and nphet

    They're drafted in and bolted on unwillingly

    It’s very poor info from the government and nphet regarding how the vaccine works.
    I think if people knew how it worked SD and masks will be adhered to for longer.


  • #2646
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    tom1ie wrote: »
    It’s very poor info from the government and nphet regarding how the vaccine works.
    I think if people knew how it worked SD and masks will be adhered to for longer.
    Two shots, 3-4 weeks apart and over 90% will be protected but we won't see effects for a few months. That's the government line and NPHET/HSE say stay at home. What's missing from that?


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  • #2647
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    I don't think the Australian approach could be called draconian or authoritarian. That is hyperbolic. They are generally having a normal time of it because they have hardly any covid on the continent - imagine what that feels like! And then if it erupts they put up with local struict lockdowns that root it out.
    I love travel as much as the next but if strict conditions need to apply to travel then so be it for a few years. If it means one has to be a bit more thoughtful traveling then so what. Better than the way it is now.

    Not draconian eh?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-australia-towers/australian-state-violated-human-rights-in-covid-lockdown-report-idUSKBN28R0EC


  • #2648
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Two shots, 3-4 weeks apart and over 90% will be protected but we won't see effects for a few months. That's the government line and NPHET/HSE say stay at home. What's missing from that?

    Messaging


  • #2649
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Is it dreadful in Australia now Mandrake04?


  • #2650
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,097 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Two shots, 3-4 weeks apart and over 90% will be protected but we won't see effects for a few months. That's the government line and NPHET/HSE say stay at home. What's missing from that?

    SD and masks will need to be worn after the vaccine.
    The vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting the virus, it just improves your fighting ability vs covid.
    We also don’t know how effective it is at stopping spread but it’s probably at least 60% effective at stopping spread.
    That info would be helpful.


  • #2651
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    They had a very holier than thou attitude to it all but now the rules don't apply anymore. Apparently its for support! Said through a drunken text message. Fed up of this attitude. I haven't sat with friends or had a night out with a big group since last February. We are doing fine but my god...cop on! The rest of us would like to get back to our old lives.

    It's their mental health don't ya know. The new buzzword for being selfish.


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  • #2652
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Messaging
    Coupled with people actually listening to the right sources.


  • #2653
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,097 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Coupled with people actually listening to the right sources.

    Is this the “right” source?
    https://jrnl.ie/5317372


  • #2654
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Is this the “right” source?
    https://jrnl.ie/5317372
    It has useful information without commentary so yes. There are plenty of others. WhatsApp and Facebook are not.


  • #2655
    embraer170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭embraer170


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Christmas was a necessary mental release for many people but it should have been tempered by circumstances. It clearly wasn't but the government can hardly be blamed for that behaviour. What is proper enforcement BTW? This terminology comes up a lot but nobody bothers to quantify it. Bear in mind that the vast majority of our cases have come through household and household mixing.

    People could have had one or two Christmas gatherings, or a Christmas lunch with a select few. No one needed to go mad for 3 weeks.

    And I know it's easy to say in hindsight.


  • #2656
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Coupled with people actually listening to the right sources.

    People mostly listen to rte

    Government and Media speak as one


  • #2657
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    During the first wave, there was a gofund me page to feed the heroes, it looks like that's gone now.
    I'm just thing as we head for an even worse time for our HCW's is there anyway we can help them (apart from staying the **** home)?
    I don't know how much a hot meal was for them, maybe the fact they had and could see the pubic support helped them through a very dark time. Have we forgotten them like the Government?

    Can a doctor not afford dinner these days or what's going on?


  • #2658
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,097 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It has useful information without commentary so yes. There are plenty of others. WhatsApp and Facebook are not.

    Absolutely agreed.
    It also has direct quotes and a link to an interview with cillian de gascun stating masks and SD are needed after vaccines are given. This info is not being pushed out there enough.
    It’s pretty much the first article I’ve seen in main stream media (if the journal is mainstream media)


  • #2659
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,097 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    embraer170 wrote: »
    People could have had one or two Christmas gatherings, or a Christmas lunch with a select few. No one needed to go mad for 3 weeks.

    And I know it's easy to say in hindsight.

    No!
    There should have been one gathering with one other household and that’s all.
    We are where we are because people done what you have suggested and more.


  • #2660
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Yep it's great there now!

    Believe me it’s fine, I’m in NSW and we had 1 case in community and 5 cases in travel quarantine today... all pubs, restaurants, retail, cinemas, theatres etc are open. Sure there are few restrictions and things could change tomorrow but live each day as it comes and appreciate it. We been living normal enough since last June so are definitely in front rather than living like a rat, even if we had a major outbreak now in the game we are still in front especially with vaccine plan

    Still best form of social distancing


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    trust me it fine.


  • #2661
    robfowler78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    Like every other plague / pandemic in history only through better medicine, treatments and vaccines will we see a difference. We won’t see a difference long term by trying Zero Covid or indefinite lockdowns. Thousands of years of human behaviour won’t be changed long term no matter what people think.

    There will come a point we’re numbers are lower, treatments are better and vaccines are in full flow and life will return to normal.

    That might be in the Summer or early next year but it will come that’s for sure as it did after the Spanish flu and other such pandemics.

    Eventually economics will come into line with been as important as the health risks and a balance will be struck. Numbers won’t be reported daily and the fear will start to subside.


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  • #2662
    fm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭fm


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    More data on the variant. It looks to be much more transmissible based on the attack rate (number of close contacts infected). Big difference in most age categories.

    According to latest data the new variant passed on to 43% more contacts than the old one. The data is across all areas so should control for regional variation in behaviour etc. Also more kids getting it but that's just because more people overall are getting it. Explains the logic of the schools though as the increased transmissibility means schools are not free from spreading it in the community.

    source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/950823/Variant_of_Concern_VOC_202012_01_Technical_Briefing_3_-_England.pdf

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    Couldn't this new variant be spreading faster based on its timing? The fact its winter, more people in door, Christmas etc? Giving it more of an advantage. Wasn't it discovered in September and took awhile to spread?


  • #2663
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭fits


    119 in ICU now

    It’s just awful. Absolutely nightmarish for those folks and their families.


  • #2664
    robfowler78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    fm wrote: »
    Couldn't this new variant be spreading faster based on its timing? The fact its winter, more people in door, Christmas etc? Giving it more of an advantage. Wasn't it discovered in September and took awhile to spread?

    I think the fact that it is winter is playing a huge role in the spreading of this. People are blaming Christmas gatherings and everything else which obviously didn’t help but my God they have been telling us since the summer that winter was going to be a nightmare without a vaccine so I don’t know why everyone is shocked and losing their minds now that the numbers are rising.

    The lockdown in on the numbers will drop summer will come and the numbers will go down.


  • #2665
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    robfowler78 wrote: »
    Like every other plague / pandemic in history only through better medicine, treatments and vaccines will we see a difference. We won’t see a difference long term by trying Zero Covid or indefinite lockdowns. Thousands of years of human behaviour won’t be changed long term no matter what people think.

    There will come a point we’re numbers are lower, treatments are better and vaccines are in full flow and life will return to normal.

    That might be in the Summer or early next year but it will come that’s for sure as it did after the Spanish flu and other such pandemics.

    Eventually economics will come into line with been as important as the health risks and a balance will be struck. Numbers won’t be reported daily and the fear will start to subside.

    Zero Covid is not an indefinite lockdown. There are full nightclubs in Shanghai every night, here all non essential retail is closed and we are advised not to leave our homes. Which is zero covid?


  • #2666
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Morrison says restrictions for the rest of the year even though most of the population will be vaccinated by September, majority of people in Australia are happy with the state borders situation... obviously if you are personally impacted you might not be so happy but luckily in a democracy the majority wins.

    Sh!t happens and most people accept it.

    Nah, the majority wins the election but then the lobbyists come in and dictate the policies.


  • #2667
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    fits wrote: »
    119 in ICU now

    It’s just awful. Absolutely nightmarish for those folks and their families.
    Tragic and it is likely hospital figures will continue to rise for 2-3 weeks.


  • #2668
    robfowler78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Zero Covid is not an indefinite lockdown. There are full nightclubs in Shanghai every night, here all non essential retail is closed and we are advised not to leave our homes. Which is zero covid?

    Never said zero Covid was I said they were both options read again.


  • #2669
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,376 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    robfowler78 wrote: »
    Like every other plague / pandemic in history only through better medicine, treatments and vaccines will we see a difference. We won’t see a difference long term by trying Zero Covid or indefinite lockdowns. Thousands of years of human behaviour won’t be changed long term no matter what people think.

    There will come a point we’re numbers are lower, treatments are better and vaccines are in full flow and life will return to normal.

    That might be in the Summer or early next year but it will come that’s for sure as it did after the Spanish flu and other such pandemics.

    Eventually economics will come into line with been as important as the health risks and a balance will be struck. Numbers won’t be reported daily and the fear will start to subside.

    Agree with most of this but possibly the biggest game-changer will be changes in the virus over time will likely lessen the severity with little or no human influence.


  • #2670
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Be right back wrote: »
    ^^ Bad taste, Mandrake.

    Cheese and chive isnt everyones cup of tea, but each to their own


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  • #2671
    Water2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 ✭Water2021


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Really strict lockdowns. We got it to double digits by May. We need to think differently maybe. Wipe this out.

    Your not mad at all Gruffalux

    I've been saying this for a year now

    People still have head in the sand

    Closed economy is the only way for now

    China went eradication for a reason, pharmacology is great but can only do so much and that pharmacology is only going to work for the wealthy countries short term

    All those poor countries are going to let it run free with no pharmacology and it's going to mutate eventually inside those 500 million poor people

    It will be lockdown after lockdown as this thing figures us out

    This will have people calling me deluded like you

    Don't know if anyone else read that post on 4chan forum in January 2020 on Covid

    It was before we had any idea what Covid what was capable, one poster there claimed to have knowledge from a friend in the CDC and it sounded really far fetched at the time, but it's all came true except last part

    He said China and WHO were lying and it was airbourne, not droplets, Ro of 6 and not 3 like they were saying and the Wuhan strain was more lethal and it would mutate after hiting Europe badly due to Chinese links and they wouldn't call it infected anymore, it would be confirmed cases.

    He went on to say it would hit Italy hard ( this was January well before it happened ) and the scenes in Italy would cause the world to panic and do Wuhan style lockdowns all over and adviced people to sell stocks in airlines, hotel's etc as they are doomed, he went onto say it will infected millions upon millions until a vaccine came along, but that would only be short lived

    The friend he had said they " CDC " were not afraid of the strains that would mutate in humans as the vaccines would work against them, but the wildlife

    They worrried about it going to Brazil and mutating with indigenous bats in that area and evading vaccines and becoming more lethal

    It's all been more less or true except for the wildlife bat part in Brazil

    When I hear about bad strains coming out of Brazil and something to do with bats, i'll be worried then.


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