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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #2612
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So 7 billion people act in unison to achieve one goal? No other words necessary.

    Yes.


  • #2613
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Yes.

    No offence but you are delusional.


  • #2614
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    No offence but you are delusional.

    Shoot for the stars!

    I am actually not delusional. What is delusional is people imagining that the wealthy 14% of the world fiddling endlessly with repeated and constantly adjusting vaccines is going to put a halt to Covid problems..


  • #2615
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Yes.
    Australia is still locking down its internal borders and does so every time they get a few cases. How long do you imagine the whole world needs to be locked down?


  • #2616
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I'd say there's massive overlap between people who give out about restrictions and people who ensure we'll have restrictions for longer by doing daft stuff like that.

    They had a very holier than thou attitude to it all but now the rules don't apply anymore. Apparently its for support! Said through a drunken text message. Fed up of this attitude. I haven't sat with friends or had a night out with a big group since last February. We are doing fine but my god...cop on! The rest of us would like to get back to our old lives.


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  • #2617
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    No offence but you are delusional.

    We could have to test trace and isolate if this thing doesn't go away

    I'm not fully convinced on the vaccines


  • #2618
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    The Independent Scientific Advocacy Group (ISAG) published an alternative strategy for the sustainable reopening of society, without rolling lockdowns.

    The ISAG proposal involved a seven-point plan:
    1. suppress Sars-CoV-2 infections to single digits or better,
    2. prevent new seeding with enforced 14-day quarantine on international travel,
    3. actively manage Border counties with existing public health barriers (local restrictions) and Australian-style “border bubbles” to prevent Border community disruption,
    4. reduce infections with hygiene and ventilation advice,
    5. better resource public health physicians and enhance the co-ordination of the test/trace infrastructure,
    6. introduce regional “green zones” to protect Covid-free areas, and
    7. support people affected by isolation and businesses interrupted by restrictions. Vaccines could be considered a point 8.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/silent-majority-supports-goal-of-zero-covid-1.4428981

    Me and lots of people including lots of clever sciency people are not delusional. Woohoo :)


  • #2619
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Shoot for the stars!

    I am actually not delusional. What is delusional is people imagining that the wealthy 14% of the world fiddling endlessly with repeated and constantly adjusting vaccines is going to put a halt to Covid problems..

    You are actually, but it’s a discussion forum even mad ideas deserve an airing.


  • #2620
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Australia is still locking down its internal borders and does so every time they get a few cases. How long do you imagine the whole world needs to be locked down?

    As long as it takes to get it right down. And it would be very localised strict lockdowns for any resurgence once the virus has been smashed down to very low levels.

    Otherwise this thing is going to gradually weaken the species. I don't want endemic covid anymore than one could or should accept endemic TB.


  • #2621
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/silent-majority-supports-goal-of-zero-covid-1.4428981

    Me and lots of people including lots of clever sciency people are not delusional. Woohoo :)

    Staines, Ryan, McConkey etc.... lol


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  • #2622
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    As long as it takes to get it right down. And it would be very localised strict lockdowns for any resurgence once the virus has been smashed down to very low levels.

    Otherwise this thing is going to gradually weaken the species. I don't want endemic covid anymore than one could or should accept endemic TB.
    So is that 1 year, 5 years, 20 years or 200 years?


  • #2623
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/silent-majority-supports-goal-of-zero-covid-1.4428981

    Me and lots of people including lots of clever sciency people are not delusional. Woohoo :)

    The first point to avoid lockdowns is to suppress infections to single figures... how is that achieved to allow the remainder take place?


  • #2624
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Staines, Ryan, McConkey etc.... lol

    Look it, I don't know all the snarky politics and apathetic cynicism or in jokes about Zero Covid. It was not something I gave almost any thought to up until recently. But I am beginning to think it is a better approach globally. I am allowed to think that for good logical reasons and not be branded mad.


  • #2625
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So is that 1 year, 5 years, 20 years or 200 years?

    Depends on how well it is done. 5 years.
    The bubonic plague still exists you know - it is just dealt with severely when it erupts and we have medicines to cope. In a few years we may/will have medicines that knock Covid out. In the meantime I think it is rotten to let it run through to the extent we have, without good border controls for example, because of the weakening health problems it is going to leave in its wake. In the developed world I think Australia has done a far better and more rational job than Europe or North America.


  • #2626
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,094 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Why do we not have informative adds on tv and radio about how the vaccine works, and how masks and SD will still be required after the you have received the vaccine.
    Also informing how the vaccine won’t stop you getting covid, it just primes your immune response reducing/eradicating your symptoms.
    I’m all for the vaccines but a bit of info to the public would help.
    The amount of people I’ve heard saying they won’t be SD or wearing masks the day they get the vaccine is shocking.


  • #2627
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    The first point to avoid lockdowns is to suppress infections to single figures... how is that achieved to allow the remainder take place?

    Really strict lockdowns. We got it to double digits by May. We need to think differently maybe. Wipe this out.


  • #2628
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    We could have to test trace and isolate if this thing doesn't go away

    I'm not fully convinced on the vaccines

    I don't get the point you're trying to make in bold.. it's a good thing we're not relying on people's feelings to get us through a pandemic.


  • #2629
    arrianalexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭arrianalexander


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    I don't get the point you're trying to make in bold.. it's a good thing we're not relying on people's feelings to get us through a pandemic.

    Is there anything to be said for saying another mass?


  • #2630
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    arrianalexander wrote: »
    Is there anything to be said for saying another mass?

    You can tune into as many mass livestreams as you want.

    ;^)


  • #2631
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    arrianalexander wrote: »
    Is there anything to be said for saying another mass?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/kt9un2/mass_protest_in_galway/

    :pac:


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  • #2632
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Depends on how well it is done. 5 years.
    The bubonic plague still exists you know - it is just dealt with severely when it erupts and we have medicines to cope. In a few years we may/will have medicines that knock Covid out. In the meantime I think it is rotten to let it run through to the extent we have, without good border controls for example, because of the weakening health problems it is going to leave in its wake. In the developed world I think Australia has done a far better and more rational job than Europe or North America.
    So based on this we all stay locked down for the next 5 years. That is a massive mental health disaster in the making, never mind the trillions we'd need to spend to do so. I wouldn't class what Australia did as rational but it seemed to work for them because they, like NZ are isolated. Their approach is draconian and somewhat authoritarian and really wouldn't work in most countries. They, like everyone else will vaccinate soon enough.


  • #2633
    arrianalexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭arrianalexander


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    You can tune into as many mass livestreams as you want.

    ;^)

    Are WHO aware of this , surely they wouldn't be putting their efforts into vaccines if they did


  • #2634
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    As long as it takes to get it right down. And it would be very localised strict lockdowns for any resurgence once the virus has been smashed down to very low levels.

    Otherwise this thing is going to gradually weaken the species. I don't want endemic covid anymore than one could or should accept endemic TB.

    Problem is the world at the moment is a closed loop - so that strategy will never end...

    It will be interesting to see what the criteria will be for Australia/NZ to relax quarantine requirements if ever...

    This strategy protects the country population - but equally isolated it...and can only stop if the virus is eridicated...

    So vaccines don’t impact this strategy at all....


  • #2635
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So based on this we all stay locked down for the next 5 years. I wouldn't class what Australia did as rational but it seemed to work for them because they, like NZ are isolated. Their approach is draconian and really wouldn't work in most countries.

    That is NOT what I suggested. The strict lockdown would be brief enough, with the intention to quell virus circulation to almost none. This would be about the 6 week period we are using now but strict. Thereafter lockdowns would be extremely localised and based on really tight test trace isolate protocols such as say Singapore or Hong Kong use, backed up by strict travel measures that require negative tests generally and quarantine from hot spots. It has been demonstrated historically that places that have very strict lockdowns in pandemics and aim to eliminate disease bounce back better.


  • #2636
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Australia is still locking down its internal borders and does so every time they get a few cases. How long do you imagine the whole world needs to be locked down?

    Morrison says restrictions for the rest of the year even though most of the population will be vaccinated by September, majority of people in Australia are happy with the state borders situation... obviously if you are personally impacted you might not be so happy but luckily in a democracy the majority wins.

    Sh!t happens and most people accept it.


  • #2637
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So based on this we all stay locked down for the next 5 years. That is a massive mental health disaster in the making, never mind the trillions we'd need to spend to do so. I wouldn't class what Australia did as rational but it seemed to work for them because they, like NZ are isolated. Their approach is draconian and somewhat authoritarian and really wouldn't work in most countries. They, like everyone else will vaccinate soon enough.

    Oz and NZ are having way less lockdowns than us. It seems completely insane that you think otherwise at this point. The trajectory we've taken is what leads to never ending lockdowns, and if you think mental health will improve with the virus raging then I would question your logic.


  • #2638
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    That is NOT what I suggested. The strict lockdown would be brief enough, with the intention to quell virus circulation to almost none. This would be about the 6 week period we are using now but strict. Thereafter lockdowns would be extremely localised and based on really tight test trace isolate protocols such as say Singapore or Hong Kong use, backed up by strict travel measures that require negative tests generally and quarantine from hot spots. It has been demonstrated historically that places that have very strict lockdowns in pandemics and aim to eliminate disease bounce back better.
    So it's still 5 years in localised spots with no tourism and no travel. I wouldn't be relying too much on history BTW as diseases burning through populations is more of a reason why they died out.

    So what role do vaccines play in this utopia of yours?


  • #2639
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Why do we not have informative adds on tv and radio about how the vaccine works, and how masks and SD will still be required after the you have received the vaccine.
    Also informing how the vaccine won’t stop you getting covid, it just primes your immune response reducing/eradicating your symptoms.
    I’m all for the vaccines but a bit of info to the public would help.
    The amount of people I’ve heard saying they won’t be SD or wearing masks the day they get the vaccine is shocking.

    Should be done , we're lacking in that regard

    Government is mainly about economics

    You can see what happens with fauci and nphet

    They're drafted in and bolted on unwillingly


  • #2640
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So based on this we all stay locked down for the next 5 years. That is a massive mental health disaster in the making, never mind the trillions we'd need to spend to do so. I wouldn't class what Australia did as rational but it seemed to work for them because they, like NZ are isolated. Their approach is draconian and somewhat authoritarian and really wouldn't work in most countries. They, like everyone else will vaccinate soon enough.

    I don't think the Australian approach could be called draconian or authoritarian. That is hyperbolic. They are generally having a normal time of it because they have hardly any covid on the continent - imagine what that feels like! And then if it erupts they put up with local struict lockdowns that root it out.
    I love travel as much as the next but if strict conditions need to apply to travel then so be it for a few years. If it means one has to be a bit more thoughtful traveling then so what. Better than the way it is now.


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  • #2641
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Probes wrote: »
    Oz and NZ are having way less lockdowns than us. It seems completely insane that you think otherwise at this point. The trajectory we've taken is what leads to never ending lockdowns, and if you think mental health will improve with the virus raging then I would question your logic.
    Two pretty isolated locations locking down is not a model for the rest of the world. My logic is what public health people are largely advocating. I don't share the never-ending lockdown narrative at all and see relative normality by later this year.


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