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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #2252
    Humberto Salazar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


    The UK strain. The SA strain. This doesn't mean anything to me. What's the difference? And do they even believe the vaccines are effective against these strains?


  • #2253
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Seems we had the highest cases per capita in the world on average for the last week.


  • #2254
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    You really feel it was extremely bad practice from 28-30 December that the cases were so underreported.

    If people had of heard of the crazy rise in cases around then it might have changed peoples plans for those days and New Years.

    Our archaic data systems could well have cost people their lives.


  • #2255
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I wonder if Tony Holohan would dare criticise the government over their lax approach at screening arriving passengers. Nah, condemn the public at large as irresponsible winos. Finding one cause to latch on to (alcohol) and blame relentlessly, divert attention from government & HSE failings. Media by and large follow the script rigidly.

    Now I'm no fan of Tony, bit in fairness back in June/July, NPHET recommended mandatory quarantine like Australia has


  • #2256
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Seems we had the highest cases per capita in the world on average for the last week.

    Probably reflects how restrictive its been in comparison to elsewhere over an extended period and the release people felt once restrictions were laxed.


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  • #2257
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,868 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    The UK strain. The SA strain. This doesn't mean anything to me. What's the difference? And do they even believe the vaccines are effective against these strains?

    My understanding is they are both more contagious than Covid Original.


  • #2258
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    tiger_cub wrote: »
    There’s not direct flights to Ireland from SA. All would have connected though London, Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt. There’s no easy way to police it
    Agree that it is difficult to police, but the Yanks and Aussies know the country of origin when people arrive at their airports.


  • #2259
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    I'm dumbfounded by these numbers and then seeing the amount of people out and about. I work as a truck delivery driver and in March and April the roads where virtually deserted with frequent Gardaí checkpoints now I hardly see any

    At present all I see is a small reduction in traffic and people going about their lives as normal. We need to start taking this more seriously or else we are prolonging the lockdown even further.


  • #2260
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    What will be acceptable death toll numbers once a vaccine is rolled out that will permit truly living with covid? Handful a month?


  • #2261
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    We still have about 3k of a backlog so haven't we?


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  • #2262
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    You really feel it was extremely bad practice from 28-30 December that the cases were so underreported.

    If people had of heard of the crazy rise in cases around then it might have changed peoples plans for those days and New Years.

    Our archaic data systems could well have cost people their lives.
    People who didn't care wouldn't have cared either way.


  • #2263
    theguzman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    I'm dumbfounded by these numbers and then seeing the amount of people out and about. I work as a truck delivery driver and in March and April the roads where virtually deserted with frequent Gardaí checkpoints now I hardly see any

    At present all I see is a small reduction in traffic and people going about their lives as normal. We need to start taking this more seriously or else we are prolonging the lockdown even further.

    There is no Garda checkpoints and people have realised this.


  • #2264
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Mistake surely to let them in

    Hundreds of thousands forced out of work yet we can't ban flights.

    What a joke.


  • #2265
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    poppers wrote: »
    the public services card that we were supposed to get (until some kicked up a fuss and said it infringed on our privacy) would have been perfect for this.
    im sure youd get the same people going mad if you had to supply the PPS number to the HSE.

    I'm getting vaccinated on monday and one of the requirements is to bring my PPS number with me.


  • #2266
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,983 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    mohawk wrote: »
    I never said they were declining at present. I was responding to a post that was discussing what the possible rate of decline will be. Will it be different this time to the last surge. And there will be a decline once the restrictions are in place long enough. Just like last April we don’t know the true number of cases that are happening right now. Once there is a reduction in people presenting with symptoms this will be evidence of less cases.

    Fair enough , reread your post and see that is what you were saying .

    However my point still stands that to all, who believe there maybe a decline .
    There isn't . Numbers are higher than announced due to lack of capacity for testing these massive numbers of asymptomatic close contacts and some are continuing to infect people nd numbers.
    Expect much higher rates of hospitalisation and ICU numbers as a result.
    I think they need to go back to getting tests sent to Germany or private labs to test close contacts otherwise we are in the dark here and who knows what way things are going .
    I think going by the amount of people even here interested in the swab data , it is such a backward step and is inexcusable after nearly a year .
    How can we plan for anything if we don't know what the true number of cases are ?


  • #2267
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    The reason flights aren't banned is because Freedom of movement is so important to EU integration that by putting up borders it hurts the EU and it's legitimacy. How do you create a common unity if you treat a member state like a foreign country? It just doesn't happen.


  • #2268
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Curve keeps going unfortunately. ~17% per day growth. Doubling time 4 days. Hopefully restrictions kick in and control it.

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  • #2269
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Ficheall wrote: »
    People who didn't care wouldn't have cared either way.

    a weak excuse


  • #2270
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭jams100


    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    I'm dumbfounded by these numbers and then seeing the amount of people out and about. I work as a truck delivery driver and in March and April the roads where virtually deserted with frequent Gardaí checkpoints now I hardly see any

    At present all I see is a small reduction in traffic and people going about their lives as normal. We need to start taking this more seriously or else we are prolonging the lockdown even further.

    In fairness construction doesn't stop until this evening and from what I've seen its down quite alot yes more than March but in March everything including the likes of mcdonalds were closed.

    Overall I think 99% are using common sense and reducing there close contacts as much as possible


  • #2271
    theguzman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭theguzman


    completedit wrote: »
    What will be acceptable death toll numbers once a vaccine is rolled out that will permit truly living with covid? Handful a month?

    Assuming the entire population of the RoI ~5m is vaccinated it would still leave 250k people who are prone to getting the virus due to the 95% efficacy. It should reduce the death numbers drastically.


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  • #2272
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Fair enough , reread your post and see that is what you were saying .

    However my point still stands that to all, who believe there maybe a decline .
    There isn't . Numbers are higher than announced due to lack of capacity for testing these massive numbers of asymptomatic close contacts and some are continuing to infect people nd numbers.
    Expect much higher rates of hospitalisation and ICU numbers as a result.
    I think they need to go back to getting tests sent to Germany or private labs to test close contacts otherwise we are in the dark here and who knows what way things are going .
    I think going by the amount of people even here interested in the swab data , it is such a backward step and is inexcusable after nearly a year .
    How can we plan for anything if we don't know what the true number of cases are ?

    When is the new testing lab due to open?


  • #2273
    PCeeeee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    completedit wrote: »
    Of course, we have a vaccine and there is an end in sight but we need perspective. It's not a tragedy if somebody dies at 83. It's many things but not a tragedy. We need to make sure that their death is graceful and the scenes of Lombardy are not repeated but I am hesitant to call it a tragedy. People can say what they want. Im not saying that to be heartless, I recognise that life is valuable and the people who passed have people who love them but we can't pretend like death is something we can avoid as if it's not something that will happen to us all.

    What a disgusting world view.


  • #2274
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    You really feel it was extremely bad practice from 28-30 December that the cases were so underreported.

    If people had of heard of the crazy rise in cases around then it might have changed peoples plans for those days and New Years.

    Our archaic data systems could well have cost people their lives.

    I actually think the effect of new years wont be that bad. Most of the people I spoke to took it easy new years. I think there was a lot of social interaction between people from around the 20th to the 27th.


  • #2275
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


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    HSE no longer doing daily epi report like before will see what I can do with the 14 day one


  • #2276
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    It's not. I realise death is natural. We are at the mercy of nature and unless the CCP created the virus then a virus with flu like symptoms is a pretty normal way to go. Do you propose immortality?


  • #2277
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    landofthetree wrote: »
    I can't travel more than 5km and we let in a new strain from SA.

    The whole thing is a joke.

    Tony says don't go further than 5km (which I do agree, will help)

    Tony also asks to isolate if you're a healthcare worker coming from SA :rolleyes:

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1347612645810176000?s=20


  • #2278
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    completedit wrote: »
    The reason flights aren't banned is because Freedom of movement is so important to EU integration that by putting up borders it hurts the EU and it's legitimacy. How do you create a common unity if you treat a member state like a foreign country? It just doesn't happen.


    What a load of bull. Australia (A COUNTRY) has a hard border between its states during the pandemic. That is nonsense. Its inaction of the EU, nothing else just cowards not able to make tough decisions.


  • #2279
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,983 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    completedit wrote: »
    We also need to look at age of deceased and recognise that death is inevitable. Covid or not. The issue is the health care system exceeding capacity, not the deaths in of themselves. We are not in lockdown because people might die; if that was the case the proper course of action would be for most vulnerable you isolate themselves and let everyone else live their lives.

    20 PEOPLE dead , and that is what you say ?


  • #2280
    [Deleted User]
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    Gruffalux wrote: »
    It is not going to be endemic in Australia or New Zealand, or China by the looks of it..Singapore has done really well. So have Thailand and Vietnam. Cuba, lots of African countries, Japan was doing really well up until recently, lots of remote countries etc. I doubt all those places are throwing their hands up and saying bring on the covid endemia.

    But as this is never going away, what happens when they open up? The entire population can’t be vaccinated every year. What’s the long game here? No supporters of zero Covid can answer that

    It is
    A) throw a wall around the country in perpetuity
    B) live with the virus with as many getting vaccinated every year as possible (which realistically means the elderly, healthcare workers and the vulnerable)


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  • #2281
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    tiger_cub wrote: »
    There’s not direct flights to Ireland from SA. All would have connected though London, Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt. There’s no easy way to police it

    Is there no data on connections of passengers when someone enters Ireland?
    In this day and age?
    I knew a guy who worked in the DAA as a data analyst and I'm sure he said that was one of the data points they mined.


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