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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #1892
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,517 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    khalessi wrote: »
    Good to hear your opinion thank you
    No worries. I don't think there are exactly easy answers to questions in this area tbh.

    I appreciate it's a tough brief but she really doesn't instill me with any confidence whatsoever.


  • #1893
    Happydays2020
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    Prime time and the 22 mins between posts here. Hopefully a signal from the gods we are over the peak....


  • #1894
    Funsterdelux
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    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Prime time and the 22 mins between posts here. Hopefully a signal from the gods we are over the peak....

    Everyone has been mesmerised by Norma's neck balls


  • #1895
    Solli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Solli


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Once the elderly and other vulnerable categories are vaccinated, that should be the end of any restrictions. Over 65s account for 13% of the population. 55 to 64 is 10%. Once you get them and front line workers done we are at about 30%, roughing 1.5m. The UK has already vaccinated 1.5m, Israel are doing 150k a day.

    We need to take whatever we are getting on the ****ty EU deal and cut our own deal too. We're spending 100m a week on PUP payments. If we paid the Israel price of €60 a piece, it would cost about 90m. Its pittance in the long term.

    Cutting our own deal would not bring in product til next September. Ask the Germans who purchased extra vaccines recently. The whole world is seeking vaccines you must understand.
    By the way Israel is paying over double the EUs negotiated rate.


  • #1896
    Arduach
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    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Prime time and the 22 mins between posts here. Hopefully a signal from the gods we are over the peak....

    Case peak estimated for 13 January according to Nephet.

    These huge case numbers have to filter through hospital and ICU, and unfortunately deaths. So probably 2-3 weeks until hospitalisation peaks. Deaths 3-4 weeks, at least. There will be large numbers. It's an awful situation, but many countries are the same.


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  • #1897
    hotmail.com
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    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Prime time and the 22 mins between posts here. Hopefully a signal from the gods we are over the peak....

    Irish influencers and journos focused on America and watching CNN. Ireland usually comes 2nd.


  • #1898
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    GAA again......Covid-19: Down GAA facing investigation after police attend outdoor sess

    Irish News

    DOWN could be in serious hot water with the GAA after police attended an outdoor session held by the county’s senior football team on Tuesday night.

    Following a report from the public of people “playing on the pitches” at Abbey CBS in Newry, PSNI officers arrived.

    Having established that “no breaches of regulations had taken place as it was an elite team”, the officers left, a PSNI spokesperson said.

    However, the GAA are likely to take a dim view of the apparent breach of their own regulations issued on Tuesday morning which forbid inter-county teams from any indoor or outdoor gathering until at least the end of January.

    Following a call with county chairmen, a letter from Ard Stiurthoir outlined that counties in breach “will be dealt with under rule 7.2 (e) Misconduct considered to have discredited the association.”

    The penalty for any breach is a minimum eight-week suspension for the team or unit in question, or where appropriate, a fine, disqualification or expulsion from the association.

    Down have denied that any training session took place but said that “around 18” players, including some new call-ups, had been present in two separate groups, where they were given programmes to follow in preparation for the resumption of collective training.

    Chairman Jack Devaney insisted that Down had “adhered to the directives from the GAA and we will continue to do so”.

    “Our panel hadn’t been together since the Ulster semi-final and don’t plan to be back in collective training until early February as it stands,” he told The Irish News.




    “A number of panel, including potential new players, were brought together last night and the management went through their individual programme plans and what they expect of them for the coming weeks, because they won’t be back together for a while.

    “Someone obviously called the police in, but they were satisfied that there was no issue.”

    The GAA’s leadership are likely to take a dim view of the gathering, although Down may circumnavigate punishment by claiming they did not specifically breach any regulations as it took place on Abbey CBS’ playing fields, which is not strictly GAA property, even though Down use it as their base in the absence of a permanent training centre.

    The new regulations laid down by the GAA earlier in the week explicitly told counties that neither collective training nor games are permitted, as well as “outdoor gatherings on GAA property”.


  • #1899
    gmisk
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    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Everyone has been mesmerised by Norma's neck balls
    Sing it to the tune of the Miley Cyrus song...

    Ah I don't think it's right to make fun of her neck...start with the hair and makeup maybe.


  • #1900
    What Username Guidelines
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    1/5 of the population vaccinated by June doesn't sound great but it would be a decent start

    Plus, if we assume that reinfection is rare or impossible at least in the medium term, we’ve about 125,000 confirmed cases, probably multiples more unconfirmed, that should add to the immunity.


  • #1901
    Happydays2020
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    Arduach wrote: »
    Case peak estimated for 13 January according to Nephet.

    These huge case numbers have to filter through hospital and ICU, and unfortunately deaths. So probably 2-3 weeks until hospitalisation peaks. Deaths 3-4 weeks, at least. There will be large numbers. It's an awful situation, but many countries are the same.

    Yes it is awful.


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  • #1902
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Yes it is awful.

    All we can do is keep doing the right things and the dawn will come:)


  • #1903
    khalessi
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    cannotlogin wrote: »
    Regardless of my opinion on schools opening or the leaving certificate, I do think the teachers coming out and saying it's not safe for them to work appears very self centred.

    Every statement I hear was about them and perhaps the kids in some cases but no acknowlegement or even awareness of all the people continuing to work because they have no option, nurses, doctors, medical receptionists, childcare workers, guards, fire bridge, etc.


    Gps are doing consultations by phone as much as possible
    IMNO and IMO ably represented their members in the hunt for proper ppe in March and April last year and the hospitals have tried to make hospitals as safe as possile. The Fire Brigade has an amazing union and it very hard to be a garda at home. Nurses cant work from home, but teachers can there is an oprtion it may not be the best one but it is there and during a pandemic should be availed of.

    Teachers have been mentioning safety not just for themselves but for the students. Norma Foley said in week 51 I think that there 94 cases of covid in children in schools it was actually just over twice that.

    We are now dealing with a more virulent form.

    In the previous lockdown Stephen Donnelly and Leo Vradkar both said they would sort out childcare for HCW and ****ed it up, so this time around the schools were kept open for child minding necessities to quote Norma herself.


  • #1904
    khalessi
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    To add I would like to pop this thread here and if anyone needs assistance during lockdown with schoolwork dont hesitate to ask. There are primary and secondary teachers willing to help

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115845759#post115845759


  • #1905
    JoChervil
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    Solli wrote: »
    Cutting our own deal would not bring in product til next September. Ask the Germans who purchased extra vaccines recently. The whole world is seeking vaccines you must understand.
    By the way Israel is paying over double the EUs negotiated rate.

    Not double. EU negotiated 13euro for the vaccine Israel is paying 60


  • #1906
    spookwoman
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    Unfortunately there are now 2 children in Crumlin Childrens Hospital ICU with covid


  • #1907
    Richard Hillman
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    JoChervil wrote: »
    Not double. EU negotiated 13euro for the vaccine Israel is paying 60

    And it is pittance on the grand scale.

    Martin and Co signed up to an agreement to not price out poorer countries, so went for the "we're all in this together" bollox. Israel are an alpha country. They put their own people and country first.


  • #1908
    laurah591
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    Ireland without EU has pretty weak bargaining power. We are as well to be included in EU deal. Look how much everything costs in this country.


  • #1909
    CruelSummer
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    spookwoman wrote: »
    Unfortunately there are now 2 children in Crumlin Childrens Hospital ICU with covid

    Poor things, hope they improve soon.


  • #1910
    cannotlogin
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    khalessi wrote: »
    Gps are doing consultations by phone as much as possible
    IMNO and IMO ably represented their members in the hunt for proper ppe in March and April last year and the hospitals have tried to make hospitals as safe as possile. The Fire Brigade has an amazing union and it very hard to be a garda at home. Nurses cant work from home, but teachers can there is an oprtion it may not be the best one but it is there and during a pandemic should be availed of.

    Teachers have been mentioning safety not just for themselves but for the students. Norma Foley said in week 51 I think that there 94 cases of covid in children in schools it was actually just over twice that.

    We are now dealing with a more virulent form.

    In the previous lockdown Stephen Donnelly and Leo Vradkar both said they would sort out childcare for HCW and ****ed it up, so this time around the schools were kept open for child minding necessities to quote Norma herself.

    That's my point even if I didn't put it as well as you have.

    I think it would have came across a lot better if the unions and representatives articulated in such a way that conveyed that they recognised working from home wasn't an option for a lot of others but it was for them and outlined the manner in which they could facilitate it best for the students etc, spoke about how students might be more anxious in school rather than online learning etc.

    It's not that I don't agree that they should be working from home, it's just that I thought their communication and messaging was particular poor and not done in a way that would best win them positive support. It just came across as very self centred in my opinion.

    I think even as a teacher you would have to admit that the INTO and ASTI's communication style often tends to do teachers more harm than good.


  • #1911
    khalessi
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    cannotlogin wrote: »
    It just came across as very self centred in my opinion.

    Self centered to keep children and staff safe in a pandemic, so be it.

    What do you make of the fact that the Taoiseach, Tanaiste NPHET and the Unions all said Norma did not speak to them?

    There has been a long battle going on about safety in workplace which teachers are entitled to because schools are not just places children attend. The latest of which was a 40% cut to the cleaning budget to term 2 which would affect the purchase of ppe including hand sanitizers, masks, cleaning material etc affecting children in schools. That still has not been addressed by herself.


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  • #1912
    cannotlogin
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    khalessi wrote: »
    Self centered to keep children and staff safe in a pandemic, so be it.

    What do you make of the fact that the Taoiseach, Tanaiste NPHET and the Unions all said Norma did not speak to them?

    There has been a long battle going on about safety in workplace which teachers are entitled to because schools are not just places children attend. The latest of which was a 40% cut to the cleaning budget to term 2 which would affect the purchase of ppe including hand sanitizers, masks, cleaning material etc affecting children in schools. That still has not been addressed by herself.

    Self centred relative to other front line workers who have no option but to work and now have the added complications of childcare provisions also.

    I think Norma Foley's handling of the situation has been unbelievably poor and not engaging with the unions makes zero sense.

    The PPE cut would be awful if the schools were open but it's understandable that if LC students were the only year in schools that the same budget wouldn't be needed.

    Just for clarity, I don't have any issue with teachers. I just think their unions and the messaging doesn't help their cause.


  • #1913
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    JoChervil wrote: »
    Not double. EU negotiated 13euro for the vaccine Israel is paying 60

    Israel paid 30 dollars per dose

    twice the price

    https://www.livemint.com/science/health/how-israel-was-able-to-give-covid-vaccine-to-15-of-its-population-in-2-weeks-11609927183734.html
    Israeli authorities have not said publicly what they paid for the vaccine developed by US company Pfizer and German partner BioNTech.

    But one official said on condition of anonymity that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government was "paying around $30 per vaccine dose, or around twice the price abroad."


  • #1914
    khalessi
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    cannotlogin wrote: »
    Self centred relative to other front line workers who have no option but to work and now have the added complications of childcare provisions also.

    I think Norma Foley's handling of the situation has been unbelievably poor and not engaging with the unions makes zero sense.

    The PPE cut would be awful if the schools were open but it's understandable that if LC students were the only year in schools that the same budget wouldn't be needed.

    Just for clarity, I don't have any issue with teachers. I just think their unions and the messaging doesn't help their cause.

    The decision about the budget was made on the 23rd december before the DES knew about school closures


  • #1915
    cannotlogin
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    khalessi wrote: »
    The decision about the budget was made on the 23rd december before the DES knew about school closures

    I understand that but it's irrelevant now anyway.
    Let's just agree to disagree rather than going back and forth on something that we'll never agree on.


  • #1916
    [Deleted User]
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I’m struggling to believe certain claims here!

    It’s not actually a difficult question for someone with your background

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16777545/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2873748/

    Vaccines have cost analysis using QALY

    I was wondering had you seen any studies on it for the Covid vaccine as you were mentioning the economic effects of 6 monthly inoculation for Covid as being cost prohibitive

    QALY can't be calculated yet as the vaccine was only rolled out...... A week ago. You need to have data over time to evaluate QALY. I appreciate you acknowledging my expertise in this manner. It's not that it's cost prohibitive. It's that a vaccine that is needed every 6/12 months would be added burden on HSE medication budget. This would lead to reduced money for mab's etc.

    Also, the flu is not covid as you like to claim.


  • #1917
    Psychedelic Hedgehog
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    khalessi wrote: »
    What do you make of the fact that the Taoiseach, Tanaiste NPHET and the Unions all said Norma did not speak to them?

    It's not a good look for the Minister, and betrays her lack of experience. I don't think her position is tenable in such light, the flip flopping reminds me of a certain British PM.


  • #1918
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    glasso wrote: »
    Israel paid 30 dollars per dose

    twice the price

    https://www.livemint.com/science/health/how-israel-was-able-to-give-covid-vaccine-to-15-of-its-population-in-2-weeks-11609927183734.html

    Paying the higher price to get their hands on it quicker.


  • #1919
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Paying the higher price to get their hands on it quicker.

    yes, of course.

    I was correcting the other poster who claimed they paid much higher.

    Israel are not in an economic union, so were on their own.

    Ireland ended up in the EU deal, like all the other EU states.

    Which in principle is fine.

    My only big issue with it is that the French wanted their who-knows-if-it-works, clearly way-behind-schedule Sanofi vaccine cut in on the buying deal and the option to take up more of the clearly at-that-point efficacious Pfizer vaccine refused because the French are awkward cnuts.


  • #1920
    Polar101
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    There's an interesting story in the Irish Times about contact tracing. Dr. Stephanie O'Keeffe (who is an HSE director) says they have 800 staff, plus 100 additional people from the Defense Forces and 100 from civil service doing the tracing calls - on Dec 30th they made 11,600 calls. After that they changed the system so that instead of making 3 calls, they're only making 1 in which they inform the person of a positive result, give medical advice and ask details of close contacts. And then they text the close contacts telling them to isolate, but not to seek tests unless they have symptoms.

    So essentially she is saying that contact tracing has NOT collapsed.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-the-inside-story-of-how-the-contact-tracing-system-averted-a-christmas-collapse-1.4452671


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  • #1921
    Icyseanfitz
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    So they have made 9k of a backlog in positive swabs disappear somehow?


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