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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #1802
    Hubertj
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Did they. I may have missed it but I thought they didn't mention it.

    Apologies I though they said yesterday or Tuesday there was still 9k backlog being caught up on to be reported


  • #1803
    [Deleted User]
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    I don’t believe any of the case numbers any more. They are completely meaningless at this stage


  • #1804
    mcburns07
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Why cant they just give todays number and then say the back log is so many and added in ? Surely its not that difficult to do that ?

    It's backlog for a reason. The positive swabs need to be checked for duplicates etc. It's not the same bunch of results sitting there for days, new positive swabs are being added to the backlog while they clear others.


  • #1805
    Happydays2020
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I don’t believe any of the case numbers any more. They are completely meaningless at this stage

    Are they lies?


  • #1806
    is_that_so
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    mcburns07 wrote: »
    It's backlog for a reason. The positive swabs need to be checked for duplicates etc. It's not the same bunch of results sitting there for days, new positive swabs are being added to the backlog while they clear others.
    IMO there is a level of interpreting data without seeing what happens to it, about these backlog numbers. Some posters think they have it cracked and that's fine but it just seems to be an unending puzzle with little it appears to be gained apart from predicting the daily case totals. Key numbers are really data we can see rather than guess at, those in hospitals and ICU. That's at the core of the overall public health strategy.


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  • #1807
    agoodpunt
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    lies welcome as long as they suit lockdowners


  • #1808
    Goldengirl
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Good news re spread in children. I'm still unconvinced that the new variant is causing the increased spread more generally. I think a lot the data is correlation rather than causation. It's winter, people are indoors, windows are closed. But it doesn't really matter at this point anyway, the actions we are taking are the right ones.

    Yes, agree there. Did think it was contributing to more illness in younger people too last week, but this is probably due to high numbers infected .


  • #1809
    majcos
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    I don’t normally post anything personal but I feel like one or two others who have had similar feelings about making an exception and that I have to post that I am thrilled that someone stuck me in the shoulder with a needle today. Add me to The Boards vaccinometer.

    It is not just the hope that Covid would be less severe for me if I caught it but the feeling that I can see there is a glimmer of light at the end of tunnel and this will eventually be over.


  • #1810
    lillycakes2
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toojPNAPsbs

    This guy is very accurate.
    Things dont look good for Ireland


  • #1811
    Random sample
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    My take on the backlog was that they are now one day behind, so still a fair few cases in the backlog, it was just worded differently.


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  • #1812
    [Deleted User]
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    Cases I am hearing about in work are often associated with shared accommodation where people have returned from multiple households after Christmas


  • #1813
    is_that_so
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    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toojPNAPsbs

    This guy is very accurate.
    Things dont look good for Ireland
    It might be easier to reference what the people say themselves. They say lots of things and that treat everyone as infected comes from March. Professor Nolan disagrees as does our CMO on how bad it might get. There are tentative signs of a peak.


  • #1814
    Goldengirl
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Well I was willing to bet that's all it woukd be for him seems that's what it is for 99% of people who test positive.

    I was trying to stop him panicking and worrying which some people seem obsessed with.

    Yeah, you are all heart;)


  • #1815
    mcburns07
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    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toojPNAPsbs

    This guy is very accurate.
    Things dont look good for Ireland

    Thingss are pretty s**t as it is, I don't get this obsession with what might happen. Do the right things now and hope for the best. Worrying about the future is futile.


  • #1816
    Goldengirl
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    The SA variant is a different variant, I haven't looked at the data in SA so won't comment.

    You are right that the consensus from experts is very much that the UK variant is more infectious and I'm not questioning them, they clearly know more than me. I do think its impact has been overplayed in the UK and here, versus other potential drivers of increased infectious risk and I'm not sure that is helpful.

    More transmissible and higher viral load according to reports from UK .
    Don't know if it is more severe infection yet but many more being hospitalised in all age groups but again that could be down to sheer numbers being infected .
    Does anyone not think it a bit if a coincidence that we have such higher numbers across all age groups being hospitalised 2 weeks after si many travelled home for Christmas ?
    I know, I know , shopping, pubs ,restaurants and household mixing ..but still?


  • #1817
    TonyMaloney
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    majcos wrote: »
    I don’t normally post anything personal but I feel like one or two others who have had similar feelings about making an exception and that I have to post that I am thrilled that someone stuck me in the shoulder with a needle today. Add me to The Boards vaccinometer.

    It is not just the hope that Covid would be less severe for me if I caught it but the feeling that I can see there is a glimmer of light at the end of tunnel and this will eventually be over.

    That's EXACTLY what Bill Gates would say


  • #1818
    hmmm
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    It might be easier to reference what the people say themselves. They say lots of things and that treat everyone as infected comes from March. Professor Nolan disagrees as does our CMO on how bad it might get. There are tentative signs of a peak.
    GP Buddy is showing a possible levelling off, as are the daily swabs. Fingers crossed it doesn't take off again.

    That's the best case, but even that means that hospitals will be overwhelmed as the percentage of people who have tested positive recently eventually have to go to hospital, and we still have a huge reservoir of tens of thousands of people who are currently infectious.


  • #1819
    Goldengirl
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    IMO there is a level of interpreting data without seeing what happens to it, about these backlog numbers. Some posters think they have it cracked and that's fine but it just seems to be an unending puzzle with little it appears to be gained apart from predicting the daily case totals. Key numbers are really data we can see rather than guess at, those in hospitals and ICU. That's at the core of the overall public health strategy.

    Yes, the swabs are like an unending rabbit hole at this stage .


  • #1820
    majcos
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    UK researchers have found two more drugs which can help in the treatment of Covid.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55574662
    Tocilizumab has been used in Ireland since very early days on pandemic in some selected cases after multidisciplinary input from groups of consultants in many Irish hospitals. Official guidance on the use of it from HSE is limited but it has been used in very ill patients who are believed to be experiencing a cytokine storm after a collaborative consultant group decision.

    https://hse.drsteevenslibrary.ie/Covid19V2/pharmacy/medicinesmanagement
    Clinical management in acute setting. Tocilizumab document only dates from 2/12 but I think there were previous versions. Protocols were also designed in individual hospitals/hospital groups.


  • #1821
    Goldengirl
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    majcos wrote: »
    I don’t normally post anything personal but I feel like one or two others who have had similar feelings about making an exception and that I have to post that I am thrilled that someone stuck me in the shoulder with a needle today. Add me to The Boards vaccinometer.

    It is not just the hope that Covid would be less severe for me if I caught it but the feeling that I can see there is a glimmer of light at the end of tunnel and this will eventually be over.

    Congratulations majcos !


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  • #1822
    hmmm
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    More transmissible and higher viral load according to reports from UK .
    Don't know if it is more severe infection yet but many more being hospitalised in all age groups but again that could be down to sheer numbers being infected .
    Does anyone not think it a bit if a coincidence that we have such higher numbers across all age groups being hospitalised 2 weeks after si many travelled home for Christmas ?
    I know, I know , shopping, pubs ,restaurants and household mixing ..but still?
    Just speculation on my part, but possibly due to a higher viral load when people are infected at this time of year? Indoors for extended periods in close contact, poor ventilation as windows are closed, lack of humidity, lack of sunlight killing the virus, all adds up to a massive dose if you're near someone who is infected.


  • #1823
    Endintheclowns
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    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Thingss are pretty s**t as it is, I don't get this obsession with what might happen. Do the right things now and hope for the best. Worrying about the future is futile.

    If more people had worried about the future before they piled into houses for Xmas we'd be in a hell of a better place so no actually worrying about the future isn't futile at all.


  • #1824
    majcos
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    That's EXACTLY what Bill Gates would say
    I’ll send him a message via my microchip.


  • #1825
    Goldengirl
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Just speculation on my part, but possibly due to a higher viral load when people are infected at this time of year? Indoors for extended periods in close contact, poor ventilation as windows are closed, lack of humidity, lack of sunlight killing the virus, all adds up to a massive dose if you're near someone who is infected.

    Could be but both scientists ( they normally have one against the other , lol ) on Prime Time last night were in agreement that the current 2 m SD may not be sufficient to halt the spread of the variant !
    Sorry, really I don't know whether I seek it out but I don't seem to be posting any good news lately :/


  • #1826
    mcburns07
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    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    If more people had worried about the future before they piled into houses for Xmas we'd be in a hell of a better place so no actually worrying about the future isn't futile at all.

    Eh wouldn't worrying about what they were doing at that moment in time not have made them think twice about it and not do it?


  • #1827
    hmmm
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Could be but both scientists ( they normally have one against the other , lol ) on Prime Time last night were in agreement that the current 2 m SD may not be sufficient to halt the spread of the variant !
    Sorry, really I don't know whether I seek it out but I don't seem to be posting any good news lately :/
    I didn't see that, but I'm surprised to hear that was discussed. We know from several papers (e.g. bus, call centre) that 2m or 20m doesn't make much difference (unless you are directly in droplet range), and it all depends on air-flows in indoor locations as to how safe you are.


  • #1828
    Stheno
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    majcos wrote: »
    Tocilizumab has been used in Ireland since very early days on pandemic in some selected cases after multidisciplinary input from groups of consultants in many Irish hospitals. Official guidance on the use of it from HSE is limited but it has been used in very ill patients who are believed to be experiencing a cytokine storm after a collaborative consultant group decision.

    https://hse.drsteevenslibrary.ie/Covid19V2/pharmacy/medicinesmanagement
    Clinical management in acute setting. Tocilizumab document only dates from 2/12 but I think there were previous versions. Protocols were also designed in individual hospitals/hospital groups.

    Interesting

    I wonder is a contributory factor to the better fatality rate in ICU compared to the UK?


  • #1829
    Happydays2020
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Could be but both scientists ( they normally have one against the other , lol ) on Prime Time last night were in agreement that the current 2 m SD may not be sufficient to halt the spread of the variant !
    Sorry, really I don't know whether I seek it out but I don't seem to be posting any good news lately :/

    Many of us are not mixing. And if we get the vaccination supply up then it will be immaterial.

    As an aside, if RTÉ can be negative or find an negative angle to anything they will. They scream to close businesses and then the day after they are closed they start on about the negative impact on those businesses or students or whatever. They started on about mocks and exams this week.


  • #1830
    Endintheclowns
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    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Eh wouldn't worrying about what they were doing at that moment in time not have made them think twice about it and not do it?

    That's the point I'm making.


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  • #1831
    ImDave
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    Am I missing something on the calculations here or are the hospitalisation and ICU admission percentages on the HPSC 14 day reports completely wrong?

    I.e. 25-34 age group shows hospital admissions of 79, but a percentage of 10.91%. I’d take it as being 1.22%?


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