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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Norma Necklaces for all

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    From what i have heard previous attempts to distance educate were pathetic.
    Grand, take a months holidays and delay the leaving until july and use easter holidays for classes. Anything to try and save lives right now, its not even about education at the moment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Lots of Manufacturing, hospitals. I’d agree they should provide surgical quality masks. And there should be sports halls etc available to avoid cramming into a small room.

    If we are going for comparisons with hospitals can all staff face to face with students next week be prioritised for the vaccine ? In relation to use of halls etc how will that work with the same amount of staff ? Anyone without a LC group will be providing on line learning for the 1st to 5th years. Any LC teacher who is not at that time teaching their LC cohort will be teaching their other year groups. There are no accommodations planned for special schools.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    From what i have heard previous attempts to distance educate were pathetic.

    So based on stories you heard rather than actual real insght into what happened in thousands of schools.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Norma Necklaces for all

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    Oops. Think I'd rather stick mine on adverts.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Were they not marked down after having been marked up first by their teachers ??? I'm sure It was all over the airways that teachers marked up. Is that not correct? The students were disappointed based on their own opinion of themselves, they didn't really know the mark they would have got in the real exam.

    Yup that's what was reported, apparently as a group we massively overmarked. What wasn't made clear is that the marking scheme is usually revised and adjusted during the normal marking process to make grades fit the bellcurve. The Dept tried to replicate this with the infamous algorithm. Teachers predicted grades and class rankings were released to students (even though we were assured they wouldn't be) which resulted in students (a proportion of whom for some reason expected their grades to be an inflated version of their mocks) either feeling aggrieved that their teachers "hated them" or theor teacher was sound and the Dept unfairly marked them down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Oops. Think I'd rather stick mine on adverts.

    Id stick it somewhere else currently :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Oops. Think I'd rather stick mine on adverts.

    Swap for a chocolate teapot?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    If we are going for comparisons with hospitals can all staff face to face with students next week be prioritised for the vaccine ? In relation to use of halls etc how will that work with the same amount of staff ? Anyone without a LC group will be providing on line learning for the 1st to 5th years. Any LC teacher who is not at that time teaching their LC cohort will be teaching their other year groups. There are no accommodations planned for special schools.

    The risk in school is orders of magnitude less than hospitals, quite obviously. Hospitals have dozens of known Covid patients, and new patients coming and going every day. In school, it's always the same people and no one with symptoms will be at school. I don't understand your point about halls and staff.

    Anyway, personally I would wait a couple of weeks before bringing the leaving cert students back but I do think they should be the priority. And I don't think it's a crazy risk relative to many other industries and health-care which will keep going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    Grand, take a months holidays and delay the leaving until july and use easter holidays for classes. Anything to try and save lives right now, its not even about education at the moment

    Right now, I think they should have done some version along those lines. There would have been no need for Feb midterm, take a week from Easter, stay in school an extra week at summertime and there you have the three weeks. However the current way does suggest schools are going to be closed to all but the exceptions for much longer than three weeks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Yup that's what was reported, apparently as a group we massively overmarked.

    I didn't overmark last time, yet some of my students were still downgraded.

    I don't have 6th years this year, but if I did, I know what I'd be doing
    I'd be overmarking them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Right now, I think they should have done some version along those lines. There would have been no need for Feb midterm, take a week from Easter, stay in school an extra week at summertime and there you have the three weeks. However the current way does suggest schools are going to be closed to all but the exceptions for much longer than three weeks.

    Unfortunately, this just wouldn't be a runner. Because it makes too much sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Swap for a chocolate teapot?

    Dip it in some patronising claptrap about how great we are and I'm sold.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    I didn't overmark last time, yet some of my students were still downgraded.

    I don't have 6th years this year, but if I did, I know what I'd be doing
    I'd be overmarking them

    I didn't either. Doesn't matter though. The media twist is what is believed. So depressing that students honestly think teachers don't want what is best for them. It's literally our job! We want them to succeed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    I am only praying things settle in a week or two and that things don't get worse, either way students/staff and their families have been thrown to the wolves this time in an incredulous manner


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    The risk in school is orders of magnitude less than hospitals, quite obviously. Hospitals have dozens of known Covid patients, and new patients coming and going every day. In school, it's always the same people and no one with symptoms will be at school. I don't understand your point about halls and staff.

    Anyway, personally I would wait a couple of weeks before bringing the leaving cert students back but I do think they should be the priority. And I don't think it's a crazy risk relative to many other industries and health-care which will keep going.

    You likened the risk to hospitals. If you ment less risky than hospitals you should have side. You also referenced the use of halls to stop them being all together. I presumed you ment pupils should be spread out to minimise numbers in a room. I simply asked how you thought this would work given the lack of staff to supervise. I’m sorry if I picked your comment about halls up wrong . Why did you mention the use of halls ?

    ETA - you don’t think it’s a crazy risk thank you that is very reassuring to hear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    The perfect distraction for her isn't it, infuriating tbh


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    You likened the risk to hospitals. If you ment less risky than hospitals you should have side. You also referenced the use of halls to stop them being all together. I presumed you ment pupils should be spread out to minimise numbers in a room. I simply asked how you thought this would work given the lack of staff to supervise. I’m sorry if I picked your comment about halls up wrong . Why did you mention the use of halls ?

    ETA - you don’t think it’s a crazy risk thank you that is very reassuring to hear.

    Yes, way way less risky than hospitals. I meant use the schools sports hall as a classroom, so lots more space per pupil.

    It has been portrayed here as a crazy risk, and it clearly isn't. It does carry some risk but leaving the house carries some risk too. The risk seems small to me, and certainly way smaller than having schools fully open.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    Lots of Manufacturing, hospitals. I’d agree they should provide surgical quality masks. And there should be sports halls etc available to avoid cramming into a small room.

    Hospitals? 25 people in a small room? Dont think so and it's disingenuous of you to say so. And while I understand there are covid wards in hospitals..they are a very small amount of people and the staff are given full PPE and all the protective measures known to man (as they obviously should).
    So there is no comparison to schools.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Yes, way way less risky than hospitals. I meant use the schools sports hall as a classroom, so lots more space per pupil.

    It has been portrayed here as a crazy risk, and it clearly isn't. It does carry some risk but leaving the house carries some risk too. The risk seems small to me, and certainly way smaller than having schools fully open.

    Risk is very different now with this new strain, also doesn't help that the lc age group are the most dangerous with regards spreading covid, majority of our covid scares this year where lc students or lca students (who i assume will also be in)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    I took a break tonight. Discovered the **** show that is America. Then dived into bridgerton to completely forget the absolute crap that is the world.

    I love to teach. Love it. Love it. I do my best. I’m sure some students hate me and others love me. No one is universally successful but I do my absolute damndest and I work hard.

    However over the last ten years I have been increasingly hurt and marginalised by society at large, the media and my Department of Education my bosses. Leaks and leaks, no consultation. Finding out about my job from the media, not even from the department. Circulars on a Friday evening. The disrespect goes on.

    Teacher bashing is now a national pastime. It was always there in the background. As the daughter of two teachers and niece of more I knew that. So I suppose you could argue I knew what I was getting into. However it is so so much worse now. The media, the social media, it is constant. It is exhausting. It’s is horrible. And it’s practically bullying.

    Everyone always says ‘oh I’m not talking about you’, ‘you are a good teacher’, ‘oh I KNOW it’s not you’.... BUT....

    There’s always a but you see. Always a but. It goes on and on and round and round and round.

    There are bad employees in EVERY profession. There are good employees in EVERY profession. There are good and bad employees in the public service. There are good and bad employees in private industry. It is difficult to fire anyone. Public or private. The bashing has to stop.

    Tonight however. Tonight. Where do I even start. Today I am flabbergasted at my ultimate boss. At her, a fellow teacher, who has just hung her whole profession and all the ancillary school staff out to dry.

    If schools don’t manage to open for LCs they will be vilified by parents and students who want to be in.
    If schools do open they will be vilified by parents and students who are scared or at risk and do not want to attend.
    If we go live with all classes (against the wishes of many of our students I might add) then we’ll be overloading the students
    If we do not go live with all our classes we’ll be lazy.
    If the unions let us in it will be ‘fair play to the government for sticking it to the unions’
    If the unions protect us then it will be ‘God damn unions’
    The bitching goes on and on and on and it’s always our fault.

    This is not a ****ing competition. This is not a competition. It is far, far more serious than that. It’s not a ‘whose job is less safe’. I’m sick of the comparisons. I’m sick of the ‘what about’

    This is a pandemic. We have infection levels that are the worst in Europe. We are currently worse than the north. We have a new strain which is more infectious and spreading rapidly. When even Boris Johnson is closing schools and cancelling exams why in Gods name is my Boss decreeing and repeating over and over that it is ‘safe’ for the LCs and the staff to be in school.

    I may give off about things. Like anyone I rant and get things off my chest. But usually I can at least see the logic. Even if I fundamentally disagree with it and fight it.

    Tonight though.... Tonight I truly feel that my government has absolutely no respect for education. At all. And not just teachers. I’m talking about us all. Parents, teachers, students, SNA’s, caretakers, secretarys, bus drivers, the list goes on. They will all be back next week. To satisfy the political ‘promise’ that they would keep schools open. At all costs? That’s what it seems to have come to

    I am worried for my colleagues, teachers and all the ancillary staff from bus drivers to secretary’s. I am worried for my students. I am worried for their families and what may spread silently in classrooms with just cloth masks. I am worried for our country. I am worried about our health services. Our front line workers dealing with the potential hidden spread that will continue. In schools without adequate testing. Without adequate contact tracing.

    And without actual advice from NPHET or the CMO that this is actually a safe proposal.

    What if it doesn’t work?

    Well unfortunately based on my last ten years, there are many who will blame the teachers. Again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz



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    Wow, an amazing post that sums up exactly how i currently feel. Well done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Wow, an amazing post that sums up exactly how i currently feel. Well done.

    It took a while. I needed to get it off my chest before bed. I am ‘privileged’ to be classed as very high risk so add the massive guilt I’m currently feeling for being so utterly relieved tho be teaching from home to every other feeling I have tonight.

    I’m horrified


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Just heard they closed the soup kitchen service in my local town now, a life saving service, but its okay for college aged young people to head to school next week, what a joke


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    It took a while. I needed to get it off my chest before bed. I am ‘privileged’ to be classed as very high risk so add the massive guilt I’m currently feeling for being so utterly relieved tho be teaching from home to every other feeling I have tonight.

    I’m horrified

    Much like you, I am horrified, confused and simply dumbfounded by today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


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    Mirrorwall .... this post needs to be published. I felt every bit of your anger reading that.

    Would you consider sending it to Voice For Teachers or somewhere similar where it can be seen and shared at large?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Mirrorwall .... this post needs to be published. I felt every bit of your anger reading that.

    Would you consider sending it to Voice For Teachers or somewhere similar where it can be seen and shared at large?

    Thats not a bad idea. I will actually. I wouldn’t publish it on social media myself because I’m not able for the inevitable ‘but’ and ‘whining’ teachers. But though an intermediate I don’t mind


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Thats not a bad idea. I will actually. I wouldn’t publish it on social media myself because I’m not able for the inevitable ‘but’ and ‘whining’ teachers. But though an intermediate I don’t mind

    Definitely do it. I will look out for it and share the life out of it. It's a brilliant post


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