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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #992
    Plumbthedepths
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    In the short time you've been here, you've certainly been on the receiving end of a lot of bad news alright.
    Just a coincidence I’m sure.


  • #993
    Plumbthedepths
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    spookwoman wrote: »
    It's in plain black and white print

    Under the existing Level 5 restrictions people are only able to travel within 5km of their home to exercise.

    Nothing confusing about that

    I believe the OP was referring to the senior Garda on the news earlier referring to a genuine reason. Thanks for confirming what I said about excerise. ;-)


  • #994
    SuperRabbit
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    Upstream wrote: »
    Thank you, glad you made it, just asking because I think vitamin C and D may also help, but a sizeable portion of the medical community seem to overlook them.


    because there is no evidence that they help people who aren't deficient in them. if you are deficient it can make your covid worse but if you have enough taking extra doesn't help

    both those are water soluble and high dose water soluble vitamins (higher than RDA) can give you diarrhea, dehydration is a common cause of hospitalization in Covid cases so easy on the vitamins

    you probably aren't deficient in zinc unless you are on a fad diet or you have some medical reason for not absorbing it, so you don't need to take it

    zinc stops copper being absorbed and people who take zinc supplements over time have been found to be at risk of copper deficiency. Here are some symptoms of copper deficiency from google:

    • Fatigue and Weakness. Share on Pinterest. ...
    • Frequent Sickness. People who get sick often may have copper deficiency. ...
    • Weak and Brittle Bones. ...
    • Problems With Memory and Learning. ...
    • Difficulties Walking. ...
    • Sensitivity to Cold. ...
    • Pale Skin. ...
    • Premature Gray Hair.
    if you really really want to take it, try to increase your copper intake


    here's some people with qualifications to back up what i'm saying https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Zinc-HealthProfessional/


  • #995
    spookwoman
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I believe the OP was referring to the senior Garda on the news earlier referring to a genuine reason. Thanks for confirming what I said about excerise. ;-)
    No, you said
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Is said deliberately in a confusing manner so people feel safer not leaving the house. There is a myriad of genuine reasons to leave ones home. Shopping is one, care for a family member or someone in your bubble. To tend a grave, many others and no distance restriction. 5km applies only to excerise.


  • #996
    SuperRabbit
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    Upstream wrote: »
    Thank you, have the family supplementing Vitamin D here, there should be more awareness that roughly half the population are deficient in Vit D, especially at this time of year.




    oh absolutely! It's crazy! i feel like every time you visit a doctor they should be like.. oh you supplement vit D in the winter, right?

    I mean it's so so so cheap, like 3 cents a day, and it's so important for health


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  • #997
    NIMAN
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    I'd be very surprised if we don't hear more about a GP in their 50s dying at home with Covid, going from self-isolating to dying by the morning.

    If it happened, that is.


  • #998
    bazermc
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    Are we still in level 5 of level 5 +++++++


  • #999
    Plumbthedepths
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    spookwoman wrote: »
    No, you said

    I heard the senior officer on the news earlier aswell I believe also he was somewhat unclear. But hey if you think labouring the point is important have at it.
    Although we still agree 5km is only an excerise which rurally is ignored by many myself included.


  • #1000
    eggy81
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    Mike3549 wrote: »
    Theres only 4: apple, google, microsoft and amazon, how many of them do manufacturing?
    And in fairness, all of them are essential.

    Facebook intel msd gsk and a hape more.


  • #1001
    xhomelezz
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Is said deliberately in a confusing manner so people feel safer not leaving the house. There is a myriad of genuine reasons to leave ones home. Shopping is one, care for a family member or someone in your bubble. To tend a grave, many others and no distance restriction. 5km applies only to excerise.

    Pretty sure all the reasons will be listed here shortly.


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  • #1002
    Endintheclowns
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    I'd be very surprised if we don't hear more about a GP in their 50s dying at home with Covid, going from self-isolating to dying by the morning.

    If it happened, that is.

    Should be in the news tomorrow. Not sure if they release the age of people who pass away though. Based in South Dublin.


  • #1003
    Solar2021
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I was grooming my pet unicorn before I read this. I believe you. He believes you too.

    Grooming something sausage shaped i'd say :pac:


  • #1004
    spookwoman
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I heard the senior officer on the news earlier aswell I believe also he was somewhat unclear. But hey if you think labouring the point is important have at it.
    Although we still agree 5km is only an excerise which rurally is ignored by many myself included.

    Why am I not surprised, suppose you have to travel between all those wives you have. They's pretty soon find out if they lived within 5km of you otherwise. :rolleyes:


  • #1005
    Plumbthedepths
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    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Grooming something sausage shaped i'd say :pac:

    You should have known I was only joking, who ever heard of a unicorn talking. ;-)


  • #1006
    Derek Zoolander
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    eggy81 wrote: »
    Facebook intel msd gsk and a hape more.

    Pretty sure msd and gsk’s market cap is less than a trillion which was the statement


  • #1007
    DOCARCH
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    Looks like super spreader event in Washington DC! Loons!!!


  • #1008
    Plumbthedepths
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    spookwoman wrote: »
    Why am I not surprised, suppose you have to travel between all those wives you have. They's pretty soon find out if they lived within 5km of you otherwise. :rolleyes:[/quote
    May I ask what are you on about? Why not just scroll by instead of seeking a row which however you won’t get off me. Far to clever for that tactic.


  • #1009
    agoodpunt
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    prophets of doom are utd on this thread


  • #1010
    agoodpunt
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    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Looks like super spreader event in Washington DC! Loons!!!
    Yeah looks like a coup on capital hill


  • #1011
    Steve F
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    Not for the fainthearted this one.
    Dr John laying it out about our plight....if we haven't already grasped the situation we are now in
    https://youtu.be/toojPNAPsbs


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  • #1012
    Irish Steve
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Just find it hard to believe that many people are catching covid standing outside with a pint. Can't be a big driver. I think a lot of people trying to stop it don't like alcohol.

    Just watching a program about the immune system that's being shown on BBC1, and one of the things tested and demonstrated is that immune cells (and there are a whole range of them) are supressed by alcohol. The test subject is not a heavy drinker, and had blood samples taken in the evening, and then the following morning after drinking half a bottle of prosecco.

    Some of the immune cells had been 50% supressed, and levels of all immune cells were down, so it would seem that it's not just the effect of the alcohol in reducing inhibitions, and encouraging inappropriate behaviour, the ability of the immune system is also compromised by alcohol, and not as a result of drinking massivly significant quantities.

    Seems that there is some science behind the desire to reduce alcohol consumption during this pandemic. Won't suit the agenda of the wet pub lovers, but I can't help that.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #1013
    Hodger
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    alexonhisown wrote: »
    “Gardai have also warned that it is an offence for people to be outside their homes "without reasonable excuse".

    Im assuming exercise and shopping are reasonable excuses, and not kids hanging around shops or just hanging around in groups

    I googled 5 km exercise to find news articles from today from Wicklow news.
    People will be required to stay at home except for travel for work, education or other essential purposes, and will be permitted to take exercise within 5 km of home.

    https://wicklownews.net/2021/01/schools-to-remain-closed-until-feb-1st-under-new-restrictions/


  • #1014
    agoodpunt
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    If you like a drink this disastrous what about smoking?


  • #1015
    JP Liz V1
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    yop wrote: »
    3 counties with growing rates of Covid are Dublin, Limerick and Mayo. All 3 were involved in the AI finals. Not sure what it was like in Limerick there but in Dublin talking to the various fans there and the same up here the pubs and hotels were very lax in numbers and duration.
    I know that people blame the visitors to Rathkeale but there is a lot more at play in these counties also.
    I know lots of people who came back from the UK during Xmas and didn't self isolate, add to that a few Stephens night parties in hotels and it has lit the fuse up here.

    While I get the frustration and have read some of the reports on the issue, its to easy to point the figure.
    yop wrote: »
    They are indeed. Mayo, Limerick and Dublin has spikes after the Ai finals.

    Some good charts here with the trends for each County.
    Donegal, like Mayo again would have a big influx of people coming home but also a large number of holiday homes.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/coronavirus-in-ireland-latest-county-by-county-data-1053316.html

    I thought GAA had learned their lesson with celebrations large gatherings etc.,
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #1016
    growleaves
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    Irish Steve wrote: »
    Just watching a program about the immune system that's being shown on BBC1, and one of the things tested and demonstrated is that immune cells (and there are a whole range of them) are supressed by alcohol. The test subject is not a heavy drinker, and had blood samples taken in the evening, and then the following morning after drinking half a bottle of prosecco.

    Some of the immune cells had been 50% supressed, and levels of all immune cells were down, so it would seem that it's not just the effect of the alcohol in reducing inhibitions, and encouraging inappropriate behaviour, the ability of the immune system is also compromised by alcohol, and not as a result of drinking massivly significant quantities.

    Seems that there is some science behind the desire to reduce alcohol consumption during this pandemic. Won't suit the agenda of the wet pub lovers, but I can't help that.

    Desire to reduce alcohol consumption?

    All AA meetings are now illegal and instances of liver disease increased during March-May lockdown.


  • #1017
    FishOnABike
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    growleaves wrote: »
    Lol

    ^^Please give this critical consideration

    The young people who have been hospitalised with covid comprise only a tiny fraction of overall young people. Most are asymptomatic and not hospitalised.

    Superabbit's phrasing was unfortunate, since that's probably what he meant to say.
    That's something to consider, but having read part of the report I'm not reassured.

    Only 18% of the people in the report had been hospitalised yet, "In a young, low-risk population with ongoing symptoms, almost 70% of individuals have impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. ”

    If we take 60% to 80% being asymptomatic we are still talking of 70% of between 20% and 40% i.e. somewhere between 14% and 28% of people we would consider low risk from CoViD-19 effects, still suffering organ impairment months after contracting it. That's not insignificant and not odds I'd be happy to play with.


  • #1018
    KrustyUCC
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I thought GAA had learned their lesson with celebrations large gatherings etc.,

    A lot of that is just speculation

    The GAA didn't even allow the cups into the dressing rooms after the matches

    The teams were at pains to say people should behave and celebrate responsibly

    We had a poster here who blamed the spike in Cork on winning a final which didn't happen

    Limerick cases in particular have a lot to do with people returning home in December for Christmas, many of whom are living in the UK for the majority of the year

    Some of those antics were videod and on social media on Christmas day


  • #1019
    giveitholly
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I thought GAA had learned their lesson with celebrations large gatherings etc.,

    The GAA had no large gatherings for celebrations but sure just blame them for the sake of it


  • #1020
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    FishOnABike wrote: »
    That's something to consider, but having read part of the report I'm not reassured.

    Only 18% of the people in the report had been hospitalised yet, "In a young, low-risk population with ongoing symptoms, almost 70% of individuals have impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. ”

    If we take 60% to 80% being asymptomatic we are still talking of 70% of between 20% and 40% i.e. somewhere between 14% and 28% of people we would consider low risk from CoViD-19 effects, still suffering organ impairment months after contracting it. That's not insignificant and not odds I'd be happy to play with.

    the estimation of the % of asymptomatic cases has been downgraded to as low as 20% of cases

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3#:~:text=Research%20early%20in%20the%20pandemic,asymptomatic%20presentation%20to%20be%2017%25.
    Research early in the pandemic suggested that the rate of asymptomatic infections could be as high as 81%. But a meta-analysis published last month1, which included 13 studies involving 21,708 people, calculated the rate of asymptomatic presentation to be 17%. The analysis defined asymptomatic people as those who showed none of the key COVID-19 symptoms during the entire follow-up period, and the authors included only studies that followed participants for at least seven days. Evidence suggests that most people develop symptoms in 7–13 days, says lead author Oyungerel Byambasuren, a biomedical researcher at the Institute for Evidence-Based Healthcare at Bond University in Gold Coast, Australia.


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  • #1021
    ShyMets
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    agoodpunt wrote: »
    If you like a drink this disastrous what about smoking?

    Surprisingly some studies have suggested smokers are less susceptible Covid


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