Schools closed until February? (part 3)

thomas 123 · 06-01-2021 07:38PM

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Yeah it actually creates a lot of issues in regards to the provision of remote classes for other year groups. I believe a full online timetable this time would have worked far better than in March.

Online learning is crap but a halfway house job makes everything infinitely worse.

- Procure zoom or any other similar software
- train teachers in online learning best practices
- make a standard plan for all schools to follow

Why was that not done?

Am I losing the plot or is this the tail wagging the dog for the second time in a row?

Special Advisors out their ears and nobody thought of that?

What did teachers get? - a 15 page doc a 1st year student could have thrown together.

Please for the love of god someone tell me ye got more guidance than that?

06-01-2021 07:40PM

Foley asked repeatedly if she or any cabinet members asked CMO if it was safe to have LC students back.

She never answered the question. Asked over and over and she avoided and stuttered her way along but never answered it.

She didn't ask....simple as

I can't understand this mentality and obsession of keeping schools open

downthemiddle · 06-01-2021 07:40PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

- Procure zoom or any other similar software
- train teachers in online learning best practices
- make a standard plan for all schools to follow

Why was that not done?

Am I losing the plot or is this the tail wagging the dog for the second time in a row?

Special Advisors out their ears and nobody thought of that?

What did teachers get? - a 15 page doc a 1st year student could have thrown together.

Please for the love of god someone tell me ye got more guidance than that?

The DES "works" in mysterious ways.

wirelessdude01 · 06-01-2021 07:41PM

TheTorment wrote: »

Foley asked repeatedly if she or any cabinet members asked CMO if it was safe to have LC students back.

She never answered the question. Asked over and over and she avoided and stuttered her way along but never answered it.

She didn't ask....simple as

I can't understand this mentality and obsession of keeping schools open

Sarah McInerney absolutely destroyed Norma.

thomas 123 · 06-01-2021 07:42PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

The DES "works" in mysterious ways.

I feel for ye mate. Genuinely.

C__MC · 06-01-2021 07:42PM

TheTorment wrote: »

Foley asked repeatedly if she or any cabinet members asked CMO if it was safe to have LC students back.

She never answered the question. Asked over and over and she avoided and stuttered her way along but never answered it.

She didn't ask....simple as

I can't understand this mentality and obsession of keeping schools open

Political and financial gains
Martin and co put millions in last july

combat14 · 06-01-2021 07:45PM

time for teachers to go out disgraceful how they and LC students are being treated

06-01-2021 07:46PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Sarah McInerney absolutely destroyed Norma.

Great!! Missed it. Can you give a quick summary?

Is it to be found anywhere?

Icyseanfitz · 06-01-2021 07:47PM

I still can't understand what is happening tbh, the one group of students that are of college going age are told not to work from home. Its utterly baffling and if the unions don't come down on this on top of a 40% reduction in cleaning i don't know what to say. Nearly 8k cases today with 17 deaths and they are playing ****ing politics

_Kaiser_ · 06-01-2021 07:47PM

TheTorment wrote: »

Great!! Missed it. Can you give a quick summary?

Is it to be found anywhere?

Will be on their website later/tomorrow I'd think

Leftwaffe · 06-01-2021 07:48PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

- Procure zoom or any other similar software
- train teachers in online learning best practices
- make a standard plan for all schools to follow

Why was that not done?

Am I losing the plot or is this the tail wagging the dog for the second time in a row?

Special Advisors out their ears and nobody thought of that?

What did teachers get? - a 15 page doc a 1st year student could have thrown together.

Please for the love of god someone tell me ye got more guidance than that?

We got great training in our school, workshops the whole lot. Provided in-house by teachers. But we have great facilities & each student has a device etc. Technology is pushed big time. However, The vast, vast majority of schools are not as equipped or even near it.

There is no standardised plan you are correct.

Leftwaffe · 06-01-2021 07:49PM

TheTorment wrote: »

Great!! Missed it. Can you give a quick summary?

Is it to be found anywhere?

Would like this too.

thomas 123 · 06-01-2021 07:51PM

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

We got great training in our school, workshops the whole lot. Provided in-house by teachers. But we have great facilities & each student has a device etc. Technology is pushed big time. However, The vast, vast majority of schools are not as equipped or even near it.

There is no standardised plan you are correct.

And I’d imagine your school spearheaded the training right? Or was it department directed? - just curious.

Leftwaffe · 06-01-2021 07:53PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

And I’d imagine your school spearheaded the training right? Or was it department directed? - just curious.

No completely spearheaded by the school. Unilateral. Still a fair bit of confusion amongst staff but we have come a long ways since March.

Bananaleaf · 06-01-2021 07:57PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Sarah McInerney absolutely destroyed Norma.

Good. She bloody deserves it. I posted this on the other thread, so it is a repost, kinda. But ...

So in today's news:

7,836 new cases
105 new hospitalisations in the last 24hrs
Case numbers not expected to reach their peak - at much higher levels - for another two weeks
Numbers in ICU are up by 12 (to 88)
All counties on an upward trajectory
Escalating mortality inevitable
'hunker down and stay home'

Also in today's news:

Open the schools

Source: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/...spital-health/

thomas 123 · 06-01-2021 08:01PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Good. She bloody deserves it. I posted this on the other thread, so it is a repost, kinda. But ...

So in today's news:
7,836 new cases

105 new hospitalisations in the last 24hrs

Case numbers not expected to reach their peak - at much higher levels - for another two weeks

Numbers in ICU are up by 12 (to 88)

All counties on an upward trajectory

Escalating mortality inevitable

'hunker down and stay home'

Also in today's news:
Open the schools

Source: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/...spital-health/

You can’t walk into a shop with a prior appointment to pick up an item, but you can sit in a room with 30 lads/ladies and go home to your family. That one, while simple, stood out the most to me.

Along with the simple message is stay home... unless you are a 6th year.

combat14 · 06-01-2021 08:03PM

so it is perfectly safe for 17-19 years old to go into school but not safe for same age group to attend class in college ..

beggars belief

Icyseanfitz · 06-01-2021 08:04PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

You can’t walk into a shop with a prior appointment to pick up an item, but you can sit in a room with 30 lads/ladies and go home to your family. That one, while simple, stood out the most to me.

Along with the simple message is stay home... unless you are a 6th year.

Or school staff member

Dravokivich · 06-01-2021 08:04PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

- Procure zoom or any other similar software
- train teachers in online learning best practices
- make a standard plan for all schools to follow

Why was that not done?

Am I losing the plot or is this the tail wagging the dog for the second time in a row?

Special Advisors out their ears and nobody thought of that?

What did teachers get? - a 15 page doc a 1st year student could have thrown together.

Please for the love of god someone tell me ye got more guidance than that?

Realistically, how many households do you think can follow that too? Any school work most of us will do with our kids would be at the end of the day after working ourselves.

BonsaiKitten · 06-01-2021 08:07PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Or school staff member

Or a child with special needs.

Wasn't it this same shower that were on about closing special schools about a year ago? I remember my friends working in special schools were raging about it.

Deeec · 06-01-2021 08:09PM

Norma Foley is a disgrace. She has let down teachers and pupils. Honestly when she was appointed minister for education I had never heard of her before but I thought her being a teacher she would understand the issues faced. How wrong I was about this. She only cares about her salary and pension. The fact is no-one should be in school next week - Norma and crew should have spent the summer coming up with a standard remote learning plan.
I feel so sorry for any exam year pupil. Sadly they are in for a worse year than the exam kids last year.

thomas 123 · 06-01-2021 08:10PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Realistically, how many households do you think can follow that too? Any school work most of us will do with our kids would be at the end of the day after working ourselves.

Speaking only about secondary school students only here, who should be quite capable (Technically) to be fair - that being said of course having access to a computer or tablet may not be guaranteed however I’d imagine 90% plus have a smartphone which while not exactly ergonomic or ideal would allow them to listen in.

dirkmeister · 06-01-2021 08:13PM

Would it have been a better idea for the Inspectorate to have spent their time coming up with a plan, rather than visiting schools as some half ar$ed COVID inspectors?

khalessi · 06-01-2021 08:15PM

dirkmeister wrote: »

Would it have been a better idea for the Inspectorate to have spent their time coming up with a plan, rather than visiting schools as some half ar$ed COVID inspectors?

I dont know what you mean, I for one felt 100% safe after I was asked did I watch the video and fill out the return to work form and watch said inspector walk off.:D

Rodin · 06-01-2021 08:15PM

Don't people realise that just when they're needed most, healthcare staff will be unavailable because they now have to stay at home and homeschool?

Lunacy.

Dravokivich · 06-01-2021 08:17PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

Speaking only about secondary school students only here, who should be quite capable (Technically) to be fair - that being said of course having access to a computer or tablet may not be guaranteed however I’d imagine 90% plus have a smartphone which while not exactly ergonomic or ideal would allow them to listen in.

There's about 370k 2nd level students in ireland. A consertive estimate from yourself suggests your own idea isn't suitable for approx 37k.

I'd be surprised if anyone was to pursue something like that.

NetChat101 · 06-01-2021 08:20PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

If schools and teachers were any good or genuinely interested in their students , they would have a perfectly functioning online portal operating . A lot of teachers are just bone lazy .

In fairness, I'm not sure how they'll manage teaching LC students for a full day in school, while also being available to and setting work for all other years.

No matter how much preparation was done, I don't think anyone could have foreseen this decision and the logistics of it.

thomas 123 · 06-01-2021 08:23PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

There's about 370k 2nd level students in ireland. A consertive estimate from yourself suggests your own idea isn't suitable for approx 37k.

I'd be surprised if anyone was to pursue something like that.

Please don’t misconstrue my very rough low ball estimate on mobile phone ownership among teens - let’s pretend that these “10%” of households/students don’t have access to any other device, are you suggesting the other 90% don’t get any form of online learning?

Str8outtaWuhan · 06-01-2021 08:23PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

If all leaving cert students and teachers are wearing masks why can’t they attend school 3 days a week for now .
Teachers are only interested in getting out of going to work same as always . Nurses are true frontline hero’s where as teachers are more like frontline spoilt brats .

Didn't nurses go on strike 2 years ago, putting lives at risk and adding thousands of days to the waiting lists?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/nurses-strike-has-extended-waiting-lists-says-martin-1.250654

dirkmeister · 06-01-2021 08:25PM

NetChat101 wrote: »

In fairness, I'm not sure how they'll manage teaching LC students for a full day in school, while also being available to and setting work for all other years.

No matter how much preparation was done, I don't think anyone could have foreseen this decision and the logistics of it.

But Norma said “it’s quite easy” from her own experience.

/sarcasm/

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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