Schools closed until February? (part 3)

appledrop

I'm telling you here and now Norma is gone.

I've just watched that news briefing and it was a car crash.

She said about 50 times that schools are safe.

No they aren't + if NPHET are saying so not fit for purpose anymore.

All international research showing it spreads significantly among children as much as anyone else especially this new strain.

Michael has admitted that 42% of travellers from UK that tested positive have the new strain.

The schools won't be open Norma + Michael are dreaming.

It just suits them to blame unions but not themselves.

2Mad2BeMad

My girlfriend works for a special needs school.
We have no one to mind our kid as our creche chosee to close until the end of the month along with several other creches in our area.

This is a complete mess. I'm also classed as an essential worker.

Anyone here in a similar situation?

CruelSummer

appledrop wrote: »

I'm telling you here and now Norma is gone.

I've just watched that news briefing and it was a car crash.

She said about 50 times that schools are safe.

No they aren't + if NPHET are saying so not fit for purpose anymore.

All international research showing it spreads significantly among children as much as anyone else especially this new strain.

Michael has admitted that 42% of travellers from UK that tested positive have the new strain.

The schools won't be open Norma + Michael are dreaming.

It just suits them to blame unions but not themselves.

NPHET at their press briefing Monday showed age breakdown of current infections, the primary school children sector and younger had a much lower incidence of infection than any other section of society. Followed by the secondary school age bracket.

Mrsmum

I found myself telling my JC student he would be learning from home for the next few weeks as it is too dangerous for him to be in school and then turning around to his brother in LC and telling him it ok for him to go to school. They pointed it out too.

khalessi

Summer2020 wrote: »

Are learning support classes in mainstream schools included in the special schools which are to remain open?

If you mean primary school learning support. That can be done online.

Icyseanfitz

So we are all back in Monday to cater to the one group of students who could well work from home, in the height of this pandemic, what a bunch of incompetent, uncaring, asshats

bladespin

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

My girlfriend works for a special needs school.
We have no one to mind our kid as our creche chosee to close until the end of the month along with several other creches in our area.

This is a complete mess. I'm also classed as an essential worker.

Anyone here in a similar situation?

Not much consolation but there's mention of this kind of circumstance during the announcement, apparently you can 'bubble up' with another household for childcare.

Tenzor07

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This is an utter mess. Why 3 days, surely 5 days would be easier to run from a timetabling point of view?

How many days can Leaving Cert students attend class?
Leaving Cert students should continue to attend school for three days a week from 11 January.

How many LC students are there in Ireland, 55,000?

What's making them immune from the deadly virus and stopping them from mixing with dozens of others from dozens of households and bringing the lethal virus back home to Mom and Dad?

Is the virus not highly contagious for 3 days, but if you're talking about 5 days then it is?

How long will this 3 day week last before the Government flop again and close the schools fully?

lulublue22

bladespin wrote: »

Not much consolation but there's mention of this kind of circumstance during the announcement, apparently you can 'bubble up' with another household for childcare.

Handy if you have another household to bubble up with I presume .

khalessi

appledrop wrote: »

I'm telling you here and now Norma is gone.

I've just watched that news briefing and it was a car crash.

She said about 50 times that schools are safe.

No they aren't + if NPHET are saying so not fit for purpose anymore.

It just suits them to blame unions but not themselves.

Empty schools are safe, she just omitted the word empty.

hesaidshesaid

appledrop wrote: »

I'm telling you here and now Norma is gone.

I've just watched that news briefing and it was a car crash.

She said about 50 times that schools are safe.

No they aren't + if NPHET are saying so not fit for purpose anymore.

All international research showing it spreads significantly among children as much as anyone else especially this new strain.

Michael has admitted that 42% of travellers from UK that tested positive have the new strain.

The schools won't be open Norma + Michael are dreaming.

It just suits them to blame unions but not themselves.

I agree with the part about the unions but I don't think you're right about Norma being gone unfortunately. MM is repeating the schools are safe bs too. He's quite deferential to her as well, if you notice. Only when they have students and staff suing for having acquired long covid in school, will they sit up and take notice. I also think the Sec Gen of the Dept of Ed and the whole team in there must be propagating this message. Norma only has so much power, that team are driving these decisions.

wirelessdude01

bladespin wrote: »

Not much consolation but there's mention of this kind of circumstance during the announcement, apparently you can 'bubble up' with another household for childcare.

Basically throw your kids in with the neighbours.

Endintheclowns

appledrop wrote: »

I'm telling you here and now Norma is gone.

I've just watched that news briefing and it was a car crash.

She said about 50 times that schools are safe.

No they aren't + if NPHET are saying so not fit for purpose anymore.

All international research showing it spreads significantly among children as much as anyone else especially this new strain.

Michael has admitted that 42% of travellers from UK that tested positive have the new strain.

The schools won't be open Norma + Michael are dreaming.

It just suits them to blame unions but not themselves.

Oh I concur it definitely is a political move from the government but I think it will backfire spectacularly.

One thing I don't get is aren't kids in special need schools more susceptible to illnesses and many have underlying conditions. Isn't it dangerous sending them into a potentially letal environment like a classroom? Also how will they get to school as presumably school buses aren't going to be running?

bladespin

Mrsmum wrote: »

I found myself telling my JC student he would be learning from home for the next few weeks as it is too dangerous for him to be in school and then turning around to his brother in LC and telling him it ok for him to go to school. They pointed it out too.

The narrative is that the schools are safe but they want to minimize the numbers out and about, hence the closure.
Doubt they'll but it but if they do then consider a career in politics.

bladespin

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Basically throw your kids in with the neighbours.

Grandparents, childminders etc.

cyclocross!

bladespin wrote: »

Not much consolation but there's mention of this kind of circumstance during the announcement, apparently you can 'bubble up' with another household for childcare.

It's not a bubble when somebody leaves the bubble goes to work interacts with a principal, 60 6th years and comes home.

bladespin

cyclocross! wrote: »

It's not a bubble when somebody leaves the bubble goes to work interacts with a principal, 60 6th years and comes home.

It's not my idea either, just read it on the RTE app.

JDD

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

My girlfriend works for a special needs school.
We have no one to mind our kid as our creche chosee to close until the end of the month along with several other creches in our area.

This is a complete mess. I'm also classed as an essential worker.

Anyone here in a similar situation?

Don't creche's HAVE to take children of essential workers? I mean, I know they're private enterprises, but if they don't have to close under public health law, aren't they breaching their contract with you if they just close outright?

Stateofyou

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

So we are all back in Monday to cater to the one group of students who could well work from home, in the height of this pandemic, what a bunch of incompetent, uncaring, asshats

All you teachers should send emails in to your unions.

This is just insane. I don't know what to say anymore.

khalessi

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

] I also think the Sec Gen of the Dept of Ed and the whole team in there must be propagating this message. Norma only has so much power, that team are driving these decisions.

In relation to this Ministers have often gone against the advice from Sec Gens and their teams, because obviously the Minister knows better:rolleyes:

combat14

Tenzor07 wrote: »

How many LC students are there in Ireland, 55,000?

What's making them immune from the deadly virus and stopping them from mixing with dozens of others from dozens of households and bringing the lethal virus back home to Mom and Dad?

Is the virus not highly contagious for 3 days, but if you're talking about 5 days then it is?

How long will this 3 day week last before the Government flop again and close the schools fully?

whats making them immune and even more serious giving it to everyone else .....

Darwin

It does indeed seem that Foley at al are hoping someone else will call time on this and they can claim they tried. The unions should put the ball back into their court by insisting everyone who attends school is tested once a week (naturally this isn't going to happen).

cyclocross!

bladespin wrote: »

It's not my idea either, just read it on the RTE app.

Ah yeah! I know that. Not having a go. Just making the point. Sorry if it came across that way.

ax530

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

My girlfriend works for a special needs school.
We have no one to mind our kid as our creche chosee to close until the end of the month along with several other creches in our area.

This is a complete mess. I'm also classed as an essential worker.

Anyone here in a similar situation?

Creche will be open for essential workers children so I think you will be ok your creche should still take the child.

combat14

bladespin wrote: »

Grandparents, childminders etc.

there are no child minders at the moment the rules are no one is allowed in your house we are trying to flatten the very steep curve

2Mad2BeMad

bladespin wrote: »

Not much consolation but there's mention of this kind of circumstance during the announcement, apparently you can 'bubble up' with another household for childcare.

Ya unfortunately I can't see anyone wanting to take him because of covid haha
And the 2 or 3 people that would take him are also essential.

Absolute mess of a situation.

Tenzor07

combat14 wrote: »

whats making them immune and even more serious giving it to everyone else .....

Carrying the Virus without showing and symptoms and spreading then to the rest of the household...and anyone else the LC students hang around with on the way home from school...

bladespin

cyclocross! wrote: »

Ah yeah! I know that. Not having a go. Just making the point. Sorry if it came across that way.

I said the same when my kids went back, 5 other kids in each bubble, 5 other households etc etc and then the mix before the school gate, wasn't overly worried but made me wonder about the logic behind it.

combat14

enough is enough .. seriously concerned about competence of the government now.. i know they are probably trying their best but come on.........

hesaidshesaid

khalessi wrote: »

In relation to this Ministers have often gone against the advice from Sec Gens and their teams, because obviously the Minister knows better:rolleyes:

Obviously... that said, somebody who was at Norma's meeting with unions on Monday said that she opened the meeting by spouting the usual school are safe line and then let Sean O Foghlu Sec Gen answer all the other questions. I wish I could remember who tweeted it, it really struck me at the time. I'll have a look for it.