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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #8882
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ok let's break it down,

    We have entered 3 lockdowns,

    1st lockdown we had high numbers where the virus spread over months.

    2nd lockdown, high numbers but nowhere as high as the previous numbers.

    3rd lockdown, explosive numbers is just a small period of 2 weeks. Not comparable with any previous lockdown numbers in such a small period of time.


    In between all of this we are informed by the UK government that there is a new strain that is far more contagious and is now dominant in the UK and has led to their lockdown because of the fast spread of infection rate.

    Initial thoughts was that the new strain wasn't causing the huge increase as it wasn't detected in great numbers, it was peoples behaviour.


  • #8883
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You do understand that the figures we have now are from the first 2 weeks of December? There is roughly a 2-week delay in catching the virus, displaying symptoms to testing. Christmas week figures should start showing by the end of this week.

    5 days on average. Next piece of BS?


  • #8884
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Two of my sister's in law were in our house Christmas Day for dinner and subsequently tested positive around New Year.

    HSE did not deem me or my family close contacts....no need to be tested.

    Rang GP yesterday and he said same....but he said he would send us all for tests, just in case, as I have bad asthma.

    This morning we have all (4 of us) tested positive! :eek:

    Just goes to show! Imagine how many positives are out there now who don't 'qualify' for testing!

    Are you sure they said not a close conact or just not for a test
    I was a close contact in a house and they said to isolate for 14 days but test only if symptomatic . The advise for close cintacts is to isolate anyway for 14 days


  • #8885
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    You really or doom and gloom without any scientific evidence to back up your claims. Calm down and stop letting your mind run away with itself.

    Doom and gloom? Is fact.

    They cant produce enough vaccines hence why they are now ignoring manufacturer warnings and stopping the 2nd jab.

    1) What do you think happens if you don't get your 2nd jab in the required time?
    2) how do you know when the vaccine wears off and you need a 2nd, 3rd, 4th jab?
    3) You do understand you still have to wear a mask and social distance even if you have had a vaccine?

    4) If they cant produce enough vaccines now, how can they even think about producing vaccines for the 2nd, 3rd, and subsequent jabs we are all going to need?


  • #8886
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    We were not considered close contacts (by the HSE) as my sisters in law only became symptomatic in excess of 48 hours after they were in our house.

    Isolating now as I am positive. Only plus is the entire household is positive so we don't have to isolate from each other!

    Presume looking at the posts that your all asymptomatic?


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  • #8887
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    We were not considered close contacts (by the HSE) as my sisters in law only became symptomatic in excess of 48 hours after they were in our house.

    Isolating now as I am positive. Only plus is the entire household is positive so we don't have to isolate from each other!

    So is someone contagious 3 days before showing symptoms? But they only go back 48 hours?


  • #8888
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Been pointed out multiple times that this "strain" is only present in 10% of samples sent for Genetic testing here. It is not responsible for our surge

    So please explain why the virus has exploded in 2 weeks from a point where we just exited lockdown?

    Compare this explosion to the previous numbers of where we exited lockdown, what has changed apart from us knowing that a new more contagious, and faster spreading strain is now evident?


  • #8889
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,236 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Unless you are faultless in your covid precautions, sounds like a bad idea - you're putting your mother at risk.

    We have zero contact with anyone though, except when I alone go to the shops a few times a week, where full social distancing guidelines are adhered to... and I use the self scan thing to further minimise any contact.

    In fact the only person we've had any contact with over the last 2-3 months is my mother (and brother who lives with my mother), and that was on 3 occasions over Christmas.


  • #8890
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    If the new strain isn't a problem now, it won't take long for it to be a problem.

    https://twitter.com/patphelan/status/1346380069284048897?s=20


  • #8891
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,535 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    With the schools most likely to remain closed now until the end of January, and possibly beyond, am I within the regulations to bring my son down to his grandmother for childcare purposes each day?

    We are both home based (and always have been), but the nature of our work means it's difficult to look after our 5 year old son (a lot of conference calls etc...). We could have managed up until this week, but if the school closures extend for a number of weeks, it won't be as easy to do so.

    As far as I'm aware, you can go outside the 5km limit and visit households for childcare purposes right? Though I would simply drop junior to my mothers front door, and collect him from there too, keeping unnecessary contact to a minimum, and not going inside the house myself.

    Schools will likely be open for "essential" Workers children, which with our current ever growing list will likely mean schools will pretty much be opened as normal.


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  • #8892
    Galadriel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Galadriel


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Are you sure they said not a close conact or just not for a test
    I was a close contact in a house and they said to isolate for 14 days but test only if symptomatic . The advise for close cintacts is to isolate anyway for 14 days

    The contact tracers only go back 48 hours, so the family were not considered close contacts.


  • #8893
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So please explain why the virus has exploded in 2 weeks from a point where we just exited lockdown?

    Compare this explosion to the previous numbers of where we exited lockdown, what has changed apart from us knowing that a new more contagious, and faster spreading strain is now evident?

    Christmas.

    We at no point previously in this had mixing like we saw in December

    If the strain was more prevalent it would be found


  • #8894
    xabi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭xabi


    Dressoutlet wrote: »
    Every time I hear one of the big anti maskers, scamdemiv idiots getting covid, and even severe Covid, I laugh and think 'Delighted for them' and yes I have lost family to covid but I still dgaf if these idiots get it and die.

    You sound like a nice person.


  • #8895
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭prunudo


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Fine now. Felt a bit sluggish last week, with a couple of aches and pains, that was about it. No temperature or cough.

    Good to hear, especially given you have asthma. Strange thing is though, have felt similar to what you describe a couple of times throughout December but having not been a close contact of anyone I know and no temperature never looked for a test.


  • #8896
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    With the schools most likely to remain closed now until the end of January, and possibly beyond, am I within the regulations to bring my son down to his grandmother for childcare purposes each day?

    We are both home based (and always have been), but the nature of our work means it's difficult to look after our 5 year old son (a lot of conference calls etc...). We could have managed up until this week, but if the school closures extend for a number of weeks, it won't be as easy to do so.

    As far as I'm aware, you can go outside the 5km limit and visit households for childcare purposes right? Though I would simply drop junior to my mothers front door, and collect him from there too, keeping unnecessary contact to a minimum, and not going inside the house myself.

    Dont see the issue if you form what is essentially a household bubble. You treat both houses as one


  • #8897
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    We have zero contact with anyone though, except when I alone go to the shops a few times a week, where full social distancing guidelines are adhered to... and I use the self scan thing to further minimise any contact.

    In fact the only person we've had any contact with over the last 2-3 months is my mother (and brother who lives with my mother), and that was on 3 occasions over Christmas.

    Might be crazy but I even wipe down the shopping etc. I would do that too if considering to use the mother for baby sitting. Good luck.


  • #8898
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    seamus wrote: »
    It's not "taken over" in Denmark, it's been detected there.

    It hasn't taken over anywhere except London and the surrounding region.

    Sorry Seamus, that's not quite right. Everyone wanted to ignore this variant because "the brits at it again", unfortunately there is a lot to this story.

    https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1343575693544796160?s=20


  • #8899
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Two of my sister's in law were in our house Christmas Day for dinner and subsequently tested positive around New Year.

    HSE did not deem me or my family close contacts....no need to be tested.

    Rang GP yesterday and he said same....but he said he would send us all for tests, just in case, as I have bad asthma.

    This morning we have all (4 of us) tested positive! :eek:

    Just goes to show! Imagine how many positives are out there now who don't 'qualify' for testing!

    If ye were within 2m for 15 mins or same room for 2 hours even at 2m would have thought you would be a contact. Seems mad you weren't considered as one by HSE if it was that


  • #8900
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,236 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dont see the issue if you form what is essentially a household bubble. You treat both houses as one


    That's basically what we've been for the last 6 months or so....

    My mother did visit my sister in Waterford from 18th - 20th December, and thats the only 'outside' contact any of us have had with anyone in months...


  • #8901
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So please explain why the virus has exploded in 2 weeks from a point where we just exited lockdown?
    Christmas.


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  • #8902
    Dressoutlet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    xabi wrote: »
    You sound like a nice person.

    Well they reap what they sew.
    And they haven't been nice and empathic to myself or others who lost family members so yeah IDGAF hope they all give it to each other and wipe each other out tbh.
    Only thing is I would hate medical resources and hospital beds to be wasted on them. Take a story I read today, one of them actually went straight to hospital because he thought he had pneumonia. So after spreading it around a hospital he got a test and it was positive and now he's saying take it seriously. Stupid Bxxxxxd


  • #8903
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,734 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So how do you explain the explosion in cases for Ireland over the first 2 weeks of December from a previous lockdown?

    one of the few statements that made sense from NPHET before xmas was ( i think it was from philip nolan) "we dont need a new strain for the numbers to rocket"

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #8904
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    5 days on average. Next piece of BS?

    Actually no.

    on average it takes close to 5 14 days for the symptoms to show. Some do show sooner, some can show later.

    So the current figures are still based on the first 2 - 3 weeks of December with the last 1 -2 weeks starting to show towards the end of this week.


  • #8905
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Eod100 wrote: »
    If ye were within 2m for 15 mins or same room for 2 hours even at 2m would have thought you would be a contact. Seems mad you weren't considered as one by HSE if it was that
    I thought they said recently they were only testing contacts if symptomatic?


  • #8906
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Im no expert but surely numbers should come down nearly as quick as they went up ?

    If we have 6k a day at the moment and people now adhere to the new lockdown measures we should see a sharp decline soon enough surely ?


  • #8907
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,236 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Might be crazy but I even wipe down the shopping etc. I would do that too if considering to use the mother for baby sitting. Good luck.

    I'm happy enough with both our covid practices in terms of wiping and sanitising etc... I'm more concerned about coming across a checkpoint and the reason not being valid enough, but what I'm seeing on social media is that there are not a whole lot of checkpoints around (similar to Oct/Nov lockdowns)


  • #8908
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    New strain of Covid-19 tripled infections despite UK lockdown, report says

    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210102-new-strain-of-covid-19-tripled-infections-despite-uk-lockdown-report-says



    If the UK has it we have it, would explain why our cases have exploded too unless you have a better reason why our cases have exploded in 2 weeks from our last lockdown?

    Again, only 10% of cases here have been identified as the new variant. Also, the impact to the transmission of the new variant has bee revised down - why - because initially they were attributing all of the surge in the UK to the new variant, while in fact much of it was driven by the new variant and increased mixing


  • #8909
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    If the new strain isn't a problem now, it won't take long for it to be a problem.

    https://twitter.com/patphelan/status/1346380069284048897?s=20

    Never stopped as far as I'm aware, Aerlingus statement below only the other day. The flights going out are coming back empty as far as I'm aware and you can't book any inbound flights through Aerlingus or Ryanair until the 7th at the moment.

    "Following the announcement by the Irish Government today to extend a ban on flights from Great Britain to the Republic of Ireland until 6th January 2021, Aer Lingus will not operate flights from Great Britain to the Republic of Ireland in that period.

    "Aer Lingus is operating flights from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain in order to facilitate the repatriation of customers to Great Britain and those with connecting flights in Great Britain.


  • #8910
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Christmas.

    We at no point previously in this had mixing like we saw in December

    If the strain was more prevalent it would be found

    The first 2 weeks of Christmas were no different than the first 2 weeks of October.

    The big Christmas numbers are going to be from the last 2 weeks of Christmas which are only going to start showing this week.


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  • #8911
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Lads, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. If someone is clearly immune to facts, stick them on ignore and save your energy.


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