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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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  • #7772
    Greensoup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Greensoup


    A lot of secondary students leave books/exam papers etc at school over the Christmas holidays.....makes everything even more awkward.


  • #7773
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    vid36 wrote: »
    Tony has concerns with schools reopening.

    Did he or anyone else voice any of these concerns or just brush over them as usual


  • #7774
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Does anyone have any idea why the powers that be are waiting until Wednesday to make a decision?
    Are they still hoping to open everything as normal next Monday ?


  • #7775
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Greensoup wrote: »
    A lot of secondary students leave books/exam papers etc at school over the Christmas holidays.....makes everything even more awkward.

    Our son in Secondary hasn't been allowed to leave anything at all at school since September. No lockers etc


  • #7776
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Does anyone have any idea why the powers that be are waiting until Wednesday to make a decision?
    Are they still hoping to open everything as normal next Monday ?

    There seems to be enough leaks now to know they're staying closed. I think schools and parents should start planning for that.
    I think they are now trying to hammer out the details as regards to how long, provisions for special schools, frontline workers, etc.

    Edited with a link:
    However, a Fine Gael minister told Independent.ie: “schools will not fully reopen next week”. A Fianna Fáil minister said they would be “very surprised” if the Government did not to keep schools closed for longer after delaying their reopening until January 11.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/ministers-no-longer-expect-schools-to-fully-reopen-on-january-11-39930326.html


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  • #7777
    alroley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alroley


    Greensoup wrote: »
    A lot of secondary students leave books/exam papers etc at school over the Christmas holidays.....makes everything even more awkward.

    In our school, they have left all books at home since September as they don't have lockers anymore.


  • #7778
    vid36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭vid36


    He said he has concerns about growing rates of infection among young people and its implications for the provision of education.


  • #7779
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Keeping schools open has cost lives,

    Schools were open throughout November with falling case numbers. What costs lives is adults socialising and meeting inside.


  • #7780
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Schools were open throughout November with falling case numbers. What costs lives is adults socialising and meeting inside.

    And how many of those adults socialising had covid brought into the home from school. Plenty of cases there to back that up.


  • #7781
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Schools were open throughout November with falling case numbers. What costs lives is adults socialising and meeting inside.

    It's the covid variant that is the problem. Increased transmission in children. The picture is different from back in November.


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  • #7782
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    And how many of those adults socialising had covid brought into the home from school. Plenty of cases there to back that up.

    Yeah, blame the schools, it's a tired record and the data just doesn't support it. Cases have gone completely out of control since the schools closed.


  • #7783
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,048 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Does anyone have any idea why the powers that be are waiting until Wednesday to make a decision?
    Are they still hoping to open everything as normal next Monday ?

    Department of Education

    They hate changing their mind


  • #7784
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Yeah, blame the schools, it's a tired record and the data just doesn't support it. Cases have gone completely out of control since the schools closed.

    It's a tired record that schools are safe places, at all times.

    Data does support it actually, which is hard to do considering the manipulations and failures of the testing/tracing system.

    There is a lag you know. Schools are part of the community so they all feed back into each other. That's just common sense.


  • #7785
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Greensoup wrote: »
    A lot of secondary students leave books/exam papers etc at school over the Christmas holidays.....makes everything even more awkward.

    We got ours to take them all home, but the genuine reason for this was for a deep clean.

    Curious to know how other schools are doing a decent deep clean if the students are leaving all their books in school during the mid terms and long weekends?


  • #7786
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Yeah, blame the schools, it's a tired record and the data just doesn't support it. Cases have gone completely out of control since the schools closed.

    Correct. If the schools were to blame, the level of infections would have skyrocketed in September. They did increase, but in line with the relaxation of other restrictions. The catastrophic increase in infections coencided with the government throwing everything out for grabs at the end of November with the fantasy hope that people would behave themselves.


  • #7787
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Can we not do the schools are safe places bs again please, whatever about how safe they where before Christmas, they are not now, no place with large gatherings of people is. Schools = community and vice versa


  • #7788
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,801 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    We got ours to take them all home, but the genuine reason for this was for a deep clean.

    Curious to know how other schools are doing a decent deep clean if the students are leaving all their books in school during the mid terms and long weekends?

    Our place didn't even get a regular clean before September


  • #7789
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Can we not do the schools are safe places bs again please, whatever about how safe they where before Christmas, they are not now, no place with large gatherings of people is. Schools = community and vice versa

    I honestly haven't got the energy or the f€cks to rake it all over again.


  • #7790
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    Our place didn't even get a regular clean before September

    Why not?


  • #7791
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Can we not do the schools are safe places bs again please, whatever about how safe they where before Christmas, they are not now, no place with large gatherings of people is. Schools = community and vice versa

    Fully agree. Schools won't we safe again until infection rates in the community are back to low levels.


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  • #7792
    BonsaiKitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Does anyone have any idea why the powers that be are waiting until Wednesday to make a decision?
    Are they still hoping to open everything as normal next Monday ?

    Hoping to force the unions into action and thus shift the blame from the government imo.


  • #7793
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    England has gone remote with primary and secondary except for front line workers children


  • #7794
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    England has gone remote with primary and secondary except for front line workers children

    Keeping childcare fully open also.


  • #7795
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Keeping childcare fully open also.

    At least they've come out with an actual strategy unlikely our bunch of fools, im so fed up with our leadership right now, we where so proactive at the beginning but we're useless now.


  • #7796
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,331 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So if schools were supposed to go back today (if there was no covid), I presume the children would be doing schoolwork this week.
    So I’m just wondering did anyone get any school work or guidance or any correspondence from their primary school on how we should be teaching our kids?
    This is a genuine question I’m not trying to get anyone’s back up here.


  • #7797
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Exams cancelled in England.


  • #7798
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    tom1ie wrote: »
    So if schools were supposed to go back today (if there was no covid), I presume the children would be doing schoolwork this week.
    So I’m just wondering did anyone get any school work or guidance or any correspondence from their primary school on how we should be teaching our kids?
    This is a genuine question I’m not trying to get anyone’s back up here.

    We weren't meant to be back until Wednesday anyway.


  • #7799
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,331 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Grand, so when they let us and the principals/teachers know at some stage on Wednesday, that gives us 2 and a half days to prepare to teach our kids at home.
    This is gonna be some **** show.


  • #7800
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    tom1ie wrote: »
    So if schools were supposed to go back today (if there was no covid), I presume the children would be doing schoolwork this week.
    So I’m just wondering did anyone get any school work or guidance or any correspondence from their primary school on how we should be teaching our kids?
    This is a genuine question I’m not trying to get anyone’s back up here.

    Schools weren’t due to be back until Wednesday. No teacher or principal has a clue what is going on and never has. We find out at exactly the same time as the general population. Communication and trust between schools and the department was low after the recession, it is now non existent. Everyone is angry, frustrated and feels abandoned and disrespected by our managers the DES.

    There has been absolutely no plan put in place for online learning on a mass scale except at an individual school and teacher level. Nothing has been done by the department. They could have had the inspectorate and all the Junior Cycle trainers putting the whole curriculum online in video lesson format. Instead they had them running courses in the evening when teachers were already exhausted from teaching in masks and repurposed the school inspectors to be covid inspectors which was completely and utterly ridiculous. Then they started having to give them to public health to try and contact trace in schools because they couldn’t cope. They didn’t even manage to join the dots between the very high risk teachers working from home (me for example) and the very high risk students working from home. Their response from beginning to end has been outrageously bad and utterly incompetent. The government have only added to the mess.

    Guidance will come. From schools and teachers. Because no one else will have to interpret whatever absolute ****e scenario they will put in place that the vast majority of teachers will inevitably have to break ourselves to make work but will still be bashed by parents, media and government for being whiners. Because it’s a ****ing national pastime at this stage

    Ahem. I may be beyond annoyed and angry tonight


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  • #7801
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Grand, so when they let us and the principals/teachers know at some stage on Wednesday, that gives us 2 and a half days to prepare to teach our kids at home.
    This is gonna be some **** show.

    Could be Thursday seeing as NPHET are only meeting then.


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