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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #8102
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    soap kills the virus just as well as disinfectant. But you have to scrub each surface for 20 seconds. It's very tedious, better have audiobooks.

    They are saying it's probably low risk but I don't understand that, they are still saying that surfaces are the "main" way it spreads (even though it seems for all the world like it is mainly spreading through respiratory droplets, but anyway) so why are they saying that the grocery surfaces are safe? How are they an exception? Better soapy than sorry

    I thought the recent take was that surface spread isn't the risk we initially thought but God knows.


  • #8103
    d51984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭d51984


    Is there a briefing today folks?

    Its a disgrace Joe!



  • #8104
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    If you're going to be that cautious, you may as well disinfect every grocery you buy in the shop as well. They've been handled by far more people than your take away and everyone picking something up to read labels etc. I don't bother, as I'd rather Covid as opposed to spraying disinfectant on my groceries only to get some sort of tumour down the line.

    So eat your chips, I say. Not that I believe your post ia a serious question and just a rile up for the thread but others might like the input.
    We disinfect the packaging on the groceries, or leave stuff to sit a few days where that's not an option (fruit etc). Some inconvenience for some peace of mind tradeoff.


  • #8105
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    Are you not disinfecting your groceries? Not even joking. I'm not going to get a tumour because I washed a tetra-pack with soap and water

    I am so fed up with it. I know someone who bought a UV lamp for 50 quid so she can zap hers

    Are you really disinfecting all groceries? Could you not leave most in the boot 73 hours and wipe whatever has yo ho in fridge? I just wash hands before and after putting them away, that must take ages.


  • #8106
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Kallie Future Marinade wrote: »
    Have to feel for nurses as I watch the news. I'm sitting in my home office, protected and making very good money for it (better than I deserve to be honest).

    They are facing into a staffing crisis, battling away long hours, under horrible pressure, getting paid pittance and have a few horrible weeks ahead.

    Just doesn't seem right that they get shafted so often. These people are heroes.

    They are. But Healthcare Assistants probably have an even worse gig right now, for less pay. They hardly ever get talked about.


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  • #8107
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I can speak with some authority on the management of mental health. Different people will cope in different ways with this crisis. For you being informed is important and I'm sure helps and gives you comfort. For others they ignore all news and go on their way.

    It isn't the method of coping that becomes problematic, its how you feel inside. If fear of contracting the virus starts to take over your life, if you are gobbling up every bit of information in the hope that you will find reassurance or validation, then its no harm to take a step back.

    I really don't think that poster was having a dig but was instead showing concern.
    It is easy for our own selves to become the block to living and not Covid.


    Right, looking for reassurance can become a compulsion, it's one of the common compulsions in OCD. Intellectualization is my primary coping mechanism too, I usually read like crazy about something to make me feel better, but I noticed it did not work with covid, it felt like ruminating.

    Rumination can feel like it's working because it gives you this constant low-level anxiety instead of having to deal with a lot of anxiety in one go, but overall it's unhelpful. Sometimes it feels like something is helping when actually it might not be, so it's always worth taking a step back and looking at our coping mechanisms to see if they aren't suited to the current situation.

    Also, for most people (not all people), using one coping mechanism at the expense of all others, or using it so much that you have less time to use the other ones, is usually harmful.


  • #8108
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,537 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Ficheall wrote: »
    We disinfect the packaging on the groceries, or leave stuff to sit a few days where that's not an option (fruit etc). Some inconvenience for some peace of mind tradeoff.

    If it was being transmitted that way every member of staff of the supermarket s and their families would have had it by now


  • #8109
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    So you want local take aways to go out of business now too?

    These people :D

    "Close everything down! We need to lockdown, EVERYTHING!!"

    And then when these places go out of business...

    "Well that's everyone else's fault because they weren't behaving"

    :D


  • #8110
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Are you really disinfecting all groceries? Could you not leave most in the boot 73 hours and wipe whatever has yo ho in fridge? I just wash hands before and after putting them away, that must take ages.

    I don't disinfect anything I buy. I feel if I start then it will be a slippery slope to locking myself up. Funny auld logic I realise but.


  • #8111
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    I thought the recent take was that surface spread isn't the risk we initially thought but God knows.
    Yeah, not quite the same alarm there was at the start. There is a possible risk but so many things need to be true for that to happen. It's still a good idea to stick with the handwashing anyway.


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  • #8112
    William Faithful Deer
    Posts: 0 ✭ William Faithful Deer


    Arghus wrote: »
    I don't think it's a wildly out there question, considering how much the virus is spreading at the moment.

    Ask yourself honestly: Would you be happy enough to eat something prepared by someone who had Covid?

    It's definitly not wild in the current context. More of the virus in the community so you can safely assume that there is now an increased risk with take aways.

    Think delivery drivers, cash, multiple handling of different items and packaging.

    I'd be a frequent deliveroo customer but I'm certainly curbing it at the moment to reduce my own risk.


  • #8113
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Are you really disinfecting all groceries? Could you not leave most in the boot 73 hours and wipe whatever has yo ho in fridge? I just wash hands before and after putting them away, that must take ages.


    Yeah I leave some stuff in boxes.. thankfully! I'm never sure how long to leave it for. Can I ask what's the sourse on 73 hours? I don't know how long it's transmittable for, I know it can stay on surfaces for a month (!) but I have no idea how long it stays able to infect


  • #8114
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,644 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Wow. I cannot see myself ever going to these extremes.

    Back in Mar/Apr there was a Boards AMA-HSE consultant, these were part of his measures back then. Unfortunately for us, a lot of his predictions have come true.


  • #8115
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Ficheall wrote: »
    We disinfect the packaging on the groceries, or leave stuff to sit a few days where that's not an option (fruit etc). Some inconvenience for some peace of mind tradeoff.

    Would you not be concerned about the increased use of the disinfectant or are you using soap as well? Just a big jump in your chemical consumption, as much as you might think you're washing it away it leaves residue that isn't good when ingested at all. A lot of studies showing an increase in certain cancers among stay at home mums with similar trends among professional cleaners. I was all for using it in the short term but it's gone on too long now to be spraying the house every day with Dettol.


  • #8116
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Amirani wrote: »
    They are. But Healthcare Assistants probably have an even worse gig right now, for less pay. They hardly ever get talked about.

    Yeah it's all about the bloody nurses who are glorified doctor's these day's

    It's the Healthcare Assistants doing the donkey for no thanks


  • #8117
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    ZX7R wrote: »
    You asked a very similar question back in March, your getting prity much the same answers as then.
    It doesn't really matter how much of a risk or if the risk has increased.
    You have stated numerous times you and your family are vulnerable to the virus.
    My advice is stick to the advice given by the HSE in regards take away foods but I'm sure you know this advice already.
    I really though you were a troll when you first joined boards.
    But following your post on several covid forms I not sure, I really think you need professional help and not the advice of fellow boards members.

    I think you're mixing me up with someone else. I never said that me and my family were vulnerable.

    But nice to know that I'm not to be scared because others go around with big balls on them and believe it won't affect them or others.


  • #8118
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,041 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I feel it is worse, more rampant now than last year :( everyone take care and just assume everyone has it, stay safe
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #8119
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    Yeah I leave some stuff in boxes.. thankfully! I'm never sure how long to leave it for. Can I ask what's the sourse on 73 hours? I don't know how long it's transmittable for, I know it can stay on surfaces for a month (!) but I have no idea how long it stays able to infect


    Yes why three days +1 hour? :D

    Is it not just packaging that some people are disinfecting?


  • #8120
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    Yeah I leave some stuff in boxes.. thankfully! I'm never sure how long to leave it for. Can I ask what's the sourse on 73 hours? I don't know how long it's transmittable for, I know it can stay on surfaces for a month (!) but I have no idea how long it stays able to infect

    Meant to say 72, seem to recall it doesnt normally last more than 3 days on most surfaces.


  • #8121
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Yeah it's all about the bloody nurses who are glorified doctor's these day's

    It's the Healthcare Assistants doing the donkey for no thanks


    I don't think it's either or. I think we can be thankful and concerned for HCAs and Nurses. I know when I was in hospital years ago the whole team were wonderful and they go above and beyond

    It's a disgrace that nurses and health care assistants aren't paid more and treated better, both


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  • #8122
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Would you not be concerned about the increased use of the disinfectant or are you using soap as well? Just a big jump in your chemical consumption, as much as you might think you're washing it away it leaves residue that isn't good when ingested at all. A lot of studies showing an increase in certain cancers among stay at home mums with similar trends among professional cleaners. I was all for using it in the short term but it's gone on too long now to be spraying the house every day with Dettol.
    Like yourself, didn't expect things to be going on quite so long.. And it's tins and cartons and stuff - anything "uncovered" is left to sit for a few days. I'd feel like a right eejit if we stopped now and then got covid. I will admit, the illest I've felt all year was after disinfecting a bag of flapjacks or something which turned out to be much more porous than I had realised :pac:


  • #8123
    William Faithful Deer
    Posts: 0 ✭ William Faithful Deer


    When they say Press Conference at 5.30, it needs to be at 5.30. This is constant and sloppy and does not do anything for instilling confidence.

    Would not wash well in the private sector.


  • #8124
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Naos wrote: »
    Just back from LIDL and seen someone walking around doing their shopping, no mask on and not a care in the world.

    I thought it was mandatory now in all shops - why are staff allowing this?

    I've seen worse. In Aldi Maynooth on saturday every single staff member at the tills had their mask around their chins. And the Tesco extra in Maynooth a fair few of the staff stocking the shelves had MOUTH visors only. Literally a thin piece of plastic a few inches from their mouth. Does absolutely nothing except make the wearer look like a complete bellend.


  • #8125
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Arghus wrote: »
    I don't think it's a wildly out there question, considering how much the virus is spreading at the moment.

    Ask yourself honestly: Would you be happy enough to eat something prepared by someone who had Covid?

    If you're going under that assumption then, people should make their children live out in the garden until this is over.

    Ask yourself honestly: Would you be happy enough to be living in under the same roof as someone who interacted with students, teachers and principals who had Covid?


  • #8126
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Kallie Future Marinade wrote: »
    It's definitly not wild in the current context. More of the virus in the community so you can safely assume that there is now an increased risk with take aways.

    Think delivery drivers, cash, multiple handling of different items and packaging.

    I'd be a frequent deliveroo customer but I'm certainly curbing it at the moment to reduce my own risk.

    Reminds me of people who refused to order anything from the Chinese takeaway, back in March and April incase they caught Covid :D

    Not you but, anyone who thought they would get it because it was a Chinese takeaway is a ****ing moron!


  • #8127
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Kallie Future Marinade wrote: »
    When they say Press Conference at 5.30, it needs to be at 5.30. This is constant and sloppy and does not do anything for instilling confidence.

    Would not wash well in the private sector.

    Representative of the feckless attitude in a lot of the public sector


  • #8128
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Meant to say 72, seem to recall it doesnt normally last more than 3 days on most surfaces.

    I was doing 3 days till this
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54500673



    I know my hallway isn't lab conditions by any means but...


    "It also stayed longer on smooth, non-porous surfaces than on porous materials such as cloth, which was found not to carry any infectious virus past 14 days."

    So for cardboard, 14 days of infectious particles at 20 degrees (my hallway is colder than that)

    So.. ummm... you see how reading isn't always my friend


  • #8129
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Kallie Future Marinade wrote: »
    When they say Press Conference at 5.30, it needs to be at 5.30. This is constant and sloppy and does not do anything for instilling confidence.

    Would not wash well in the private sector.

    yeah it is ridiculous. it just gives off a message of "you lot wait until we're good and ready". i mean all they have to do is give a time of exactly a half hour later. problem solved.


  • #8130
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Kallie Future Marinade wrote: »
    When they say Press Conference at 5.30, it needs to be at 5.30. This is constant and sloppy and does not do anything for instilling confidence.

    Would not wash well in the private sector.

    If it was the private sector, the pressers would have been outsourced to India by now.


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  • #8131
    Tandey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭Tandey


    Kallie Future Marinade wrote: »
    When they say Press Conference at 5.30, it needs to be at 5.30. This is constant and sloppy and does not do anything for instilling confidence.

    Would not wash well in the private sector.

    Do you really expect more of a crowd that tried to cover up the awful cervical check scandal not so long ago?


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