Schools closed until February? (part 3)

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:20PM

History Queen wrote: »

You seem to be arguing against nothing though? You argue teachers won't agree to make up lost time if schools closed, then when we say we are willing to, you just stay repeating yourself. What's the point?

I've said that teachers should be given time off during any closures that should be made up later when it is safe to do so.

Not sure what you're talking about.

wirelessdude01 · 04-01-2021 06:21PM

khalessi wrote: »

https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1346141838445604864

Really better when she hiding

If schools closures in any form occur, then her resignation from the ministry really needs to be called for.

vid36 · 04-01-2021 06:22PM

Seems to be a mess. Irish Independent article indicating that plans are being drawn up to keep some schools open for frontline workers and children with disabilities.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/ministers-no-longer-expect-schools-to-fully-reopen-on-january-11-39930326.html

wirelessdude01 · 04-01-2021 06:23PM

nullzero wrote: »

It's relevant to this type of discussion.

If you want to appropriate what I'm saying as jealousy relating to teachers holidays fire ahead. I've already stated that isn't the case but don't let that get in the way of you attempting to use it as a stick to beat me with.

Ohh trust me your own posts are enough stick.

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:23PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

It wasn't.

Not only was it not said, but the opposite was said. In your own case, you even told him/her twice:

In fact, the only mention of teachers not being willing to work the summer months came from themselves and themselves only.

An honest appraisal would show several posters mentioning summer holidays and other related issues.

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:23PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Ohh trust me your own posts are enough stick.

If you say so.

Like I said, if you're not happy with my posts report them, you're getting into back seat modding territory now.

History Queen · 04-01-2021 06:24PM

nullzero wrote: »

An honest appraisal would show several posters mentioning summer holidays and other related issues.

You've beenasked several times to back up your claims but won't. Why?

wirelessdude01 · 04-01-2021 06:27PM

nullzero wrote: »

If you say so.

Like I said, if you're not happy with my posts report them, you're getting into back seat modding territory now.

Says you who doesn't realise what they are typing. You really must have had a bad day.

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:28PM

History Queen wrote: »

You've beenasked several times to back up your claims but won't. Why?

Read the thread.

The issue of summer holidays and "Normal summers" was raised.

It's not up to me to link everything for you.

History Queen · 04-01-2021 06:29PM

nullzero wrote: »

I've said that teachers should be given time off during any closures that should be made up later when it is safe to do so.

Not sure what you're talking about.

You said

" Teachers seem to be worried about their generous holiday allocation being tampered with for the sake of educating their pupils "

Several teachers have refuted this and asked for proof of your claim. Why won't you provide it?

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:29PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Says you who doesn't realise what they are typing. You really must have had a bad day.

Not at all.

Although I think you and I have nothing to gain from conversing with each other any further.

kippy · 04-01-2021 06:30PM

Prepare for online delivery for two or three weeks.
As the kites flying in the article in the info suggests, government will have no choice in the matter.

History Queen · 04-01-2021 06:31PM

nullzero wrote: »

Read the thread.

The issue of summer holidays and "Normal summers" was raised.

It's not up to me to link everything for you.

I raised normal summers but not in relation to refusing to work. Why won't you back your argument up? It is a basic debating and discussion convention.

wirelessdude01 · 04-01-2021 06:32PM

nullzero wrote: »

Not at all.

Although I think you and I have nothing to gain from conversing with each other any further.

Now who is backseat modding?

You can come in here with all guns blazing and some rubbish about your holidays but when asked for evidence of what you state as fact you can't/won't provide it.

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:33PM

History Queen wrote: »

Teachers understand that students won't be able for long runs without breaks. I'd imagine a lot of families are planning a relatively normal summer with meeting family and friends (assuming that's possible) and maybe going on holidays. That being said I'll teach during the summer if schools are closed with no online/blended learning.

You made this post yourself talking about "Normal summers" and holidays.

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:34PM

History Queen wrote: »

I raised normal summers but not in relation to refusing to work. Why won't you back your argument up? It is a basic debating and discussion convention.

In that spirit, would you take your holidays now and work in the summer months instead?

History Queen · 04-01-2021 06:34PM

nullzero wrote: »

You made this post yourself talking about "Normal summers" and holidays.

And if you read what you quoted you'll see i said I'd work. I was just pointing out a potential issue. You know, discussing the topic.

History Queen · 04-01-2021 06:35PM

nullzero wrote: »

In that spirit, would you take your holidays now and work in the summer months instead?

For the third time. Yes

History Queen · 04-01-2021 06:35PM

nullzero wrote: »

In that spirit, would you take your holidays now and work in the summer months instead?

For the third time. Yes

JustAThought · 04-01-2021 06:35PM

kippy wrote: »

Prepare for online delivery for two or three weeks.
As the kites flying in the article in the info suggests, government will have no choice in the matter.

Out my window Im watching hoardes of children from different families play closely together on their chirstmas toys with not an interruption or intervention from their families or parents all day. Social isolation my aras. Why should teachers put their lives and health at risk for deadbeat parents who don’t give a toss beyond their own convenience. Lock the schools and let ls start a system of reporting and fining the parents who refuse to comply. We’ll soon have the numbers under control again if people behaved. I’m not usually very sympathetic towards teachers but what is happening is riduculous - their lives and health have to matter too.

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:36PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Now who is backseat modding?

You can come in here with all guns blazing and some rubbish about your holidays but when asked for evidence of what you state as fact you can't/won't provide it.

I've done nothing of the sort.

I've explained that I have no issue with my holiday situation which you refused to believe and you keep telling me as much. What have I to gain from talking to you? That isn't back seat modding, it's being polite and attempting to end a conversation that isn't going anywhere.

wirelessdude01 · 04-01-2021 06:38PM

nullzero wrote: »

I've done nothing of the sort.

I've explained that I have no issue with my holiday situation which you refused to believe and you keep telling me as much. What have I to gain from talking to you? That isn't back seat modding, it's being polite and attempting to end a conversation that isn't going anywhere.

Why did you bring up your holidays so and your inability to carry them over? What relevance have they in a Covid and schools thread? Also dragged your colleagues into it as well.

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:40PM

History Queen wrote: »

For the third time. Yes

Wonderful, so we're in agreement.

I received a lot of backlash in the beginning and I could have appropriated some posts incorrectly in relation to teachers holidays. If that is the case I humbly apologise, the thread has been moving quickly.

Icyseanfitz · 04-01-2021 06:40PM

vid36 wrote: »

Seems to be a mess. Irish Independent article indicating that plans are being drawn up to keep some schools open for frontline workers and children with disabilities.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/ministers-no-longer-expect-schools-to-fully-reopen-on-january-11-39930326.html

A mess is right, frontline and essential worlers comsist of just about anything these days so id read that as school as normal

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:42PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Why did you bring up your holidays so and your inability to carry them over? What relevance have they in a Covid and schools thread? Also dragged your colleagues into it as well.

It appeared that several posters weren't happy about the idea of losing the summer break.

I didn't "drag" my colleagues into anything.

As we're here, would you take your holidays now, forgo the remote learning stuff and work the summer holidays instead?

Leftwaffe · 04-01-2021 06:43PM

From a SAGE scientist:

Children aged 12-16 'seven times more likely to spread Covid' warns expert

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/children-aged-12-16-seven-23256804

History Queen · 04-01-2021 06:43PM

nullzero wrote: »

It appeared that several posters weren't happy about the idea of losing the summer break.

I didn't "drag" my colleagues into anything.

As we're here, would you take your holidays now, forgo the remote learning stuff and work the summer holidays instead?

Not being happy about something isn't a refusal to do it though. You still haven't shown someone who refused?

wirelessdude01 · 04-01-2021 06:43PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

A mess is right, frontline and essential worlers comsist of just about anything these days so id read that as school as normal

Love the use of the use of the term "some schools".

Do they mean like one school in a town is.open and then all the children that meet the criteria are packed into it? No pods and bubbles then.

Whiplash85 · 04-01-2021 06:44PM

JustAThought wrote: »

Out my window Im watching hoardes of children from different families play closely together on their chirstmas toys with not an interruption or intervention from their families or parents all day. Social isolation my aras. Why should teachers put their lives and health at risk for deadbeat parents who don’t give a toss beyond their own convenience. Lock the schools and let ls start a system of reporting and fining the parents who refuse to comply. We’ll soon have the numbers under control again if people behaved. I’m not usually very sympathetic towards teachers but what is happening is riduculous - their lives and health have to matter too.

I think there have been a large cohort of people who have been unaffected really by the pandemic in terms of inconvenience to their own lives for a long time. That is until now. These same people have been clamouring for longer lockdowns and more punitive penalties for breaking restrictions because they realise the precarious situation of schools being open and closed and the ramifications this will have on their own lives. Of course these same people will demonise teachers and say they should work during the summer. Coming from a family of teachers they all would prefer to work in the classroom but it shouldn't be at a risk to their own personal health. It is simply not realistic for schools to be open at this level of infection in the community. A rate that is now one of the worst in Europe. My mother cares for my 90 year old grandmother. She has got this far in life without the virus taking her out at this stage. People forget as well that there is a whole ecosystem around schools being open that just doesn't start in the classroom.

nullzero · 04-01-2021 06:44PM

History Queen wrote: »

Not being happy about something isn't a refusal to do it though. You still haven't shown someone who refused?

Did I use the word "refused"?

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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