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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #7832
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Will Yam wrote: »
    I spoke today with an acquaintance who makes his living supplying pubs/restaurants for a living.

    According to him the only difference this Christmas and any other Christmas was no people drinking at the bar. Other than that, people moving freely about from table to table, mingling etc. No social distancing whatsoever. And this is across a wide number of establishments.

    So who is responsible?

    The Govt for allowing them open?

    The Govt for not inspecting them and enforcing compliance?

    The Publicans for not enforcing compliance (despite the Healey Raes saying that people are responsible)?

    The punters who couldn’t give a sh*t?

    Answer: All are responsible.


  • #7833
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    khalessi wrote: »
    They have the right to refuse admission

    Staff don't have the right, management do however.


  • #7834
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Press briefing at 5:30 (supposedly)

    where, in the middle of a pandemic that they say is out of control, and where contimination and spread is rampant, they will fill a room to talk with journalists, sign language personnel etc. etc. instead of just making a statement.


  • #7835
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    seamus wrote: »
    To be fair, I think what we're doing now is the opposite of a gamble. We're applying the measures which we know have worked in the recent past. The open question is how quickly they'll be effective, but we should be reasonably confident that they will.

    A short, hard lockdown is not something we've ever done. It should work, in principle. But our only experience of a hard lockdown took place nearly 10 months ago. And it was not short. As a population, we are now in a different place, we have a different understanding, and a certain level of confidence in handling the idea of a pandemic in our heads. In March people were in a state of shock and panic, happy to have a steady hand making strong decisions, and so willing to comply with the health guidelines. Not so compliant any more.

    I think moving to a hard lockdown now, would actually be the gamble IMHO. I would question peoples' willingness to stick with it, their lack of trust in government response, their overall weariness.

    The numbers right now, I think themselves are enough to drill some cop on into people. Coupled with the removal of hospitality and a ban on home visits - thing which we know are effective - gives us confidence that we will see the numbers come down.

    Things like closing schools indefinitely moves us back into a weird grey area, where we're not entirely sure what the outcome is going to be until we get there.

    Tbf the numbers in October peaked at over 1k a day when we did this sort of lockdown. We're a long way past that so to me, it seems like a harder lockdown is needed


  • #7836
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    A huge percentage of the population are verifiable idiots. We have a vast range of laws and regulations protecting us from idiots doing stupid **** and causing harm to us and themselves.

    In December the government did not provide adequate protection for us from the idiots. In fact they actively encouraged the idiots by opening pubs. And the idiots used public transport to get to the pubs. And they used public transport again to visit their parents and grandparents over Christmas.

    Every country has a similar proportion of idiots, but not every country has the highest incidence rate on the planet. Just us.

    Its the same idiots that we can thank for "warning contents may be hot" on coffee cups.


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  • #7837
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Naos wrote: »
    Just back from LIDL and seen someone walking around doing their shopping, no mask on and not a care in the world.

    I thought it was mandatory now in all shops - why are staff allowing this?

    Do you know the persons medical history ?


  • #7838
    Treepole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭Treepole


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Xmas is such a strange time for County Finals

    Funny how the two counties that won the All Irelands are two with the highest number of cases


  • #7839
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,644 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I'll try. Guess anxiety is a real problem? Had a panic attack before Christmas with what I saw in work. Never had a panic attack in my life!

    You really need to get off the internet for your own health and sanity.


  • #7840
    Sparko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Sparko


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    where, in the middle of a pandemic that they say is out of control, and where contimination and spread is rampant, they will fill a room to talk with journalists, sign language personnel etc. etc. instead of just making a statement.

    Yeah surely the journalists could just video call or even just audio call into the briefing to ask questions as they do in the UK.


  • #7841
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    statesaver wrote: »
    Do you know the persons medical history ?

    You shouldn't be in a shop without a face covering, regardless of any medical history you have. If you have a condition that means you can't wear a face covering, you shouldn't be in a shop full stop; you're endangering yourself AND others.


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  • #7842
    William Faithful Deer
    Posts: 0 ✭ William Faithful Deer


    statesaver wrote: »
    Do you know the persons medical history ?

    With all due respect we are at a critical juncture in trying to put the brakes on the spread of the virus. If someone is immune compromised or cannot do as little as wear a mask when shopping, they should be at home and getting someone else to do it for them.


  • #7843
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    where, in the middle of a pandemic that they say is out of control, and where contimination and spread is rampant, they will fill a room to talk with journalists, sign language personnel etc. etc. instead of just making a statement.

    Had there been many cases linked back to the pressers last year?


  • #7844
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    where, in the middle of a pandemic that they say is out of control, and where contimination and spread is rampant, they will fill a room to talk with journalists, sign language personnel etc. etc. instead of just making a statement.

    Or use zoom


  • #7845
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Plenty of traffic in and around Dublin City Center today. Activity levels are far, far higher than they were during the first lockdown despite this wave being worse.


  • #7846
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    smurfjed wrote: »
    You really need to get off the internet for your own health and sanity.

    It's not the internet causing panic attacks.


  • #7847
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Had there been many cases linked back to the pressers last year?

    I could ask the same question about non essential retail. Bunch of people in a room when it’s not necessary.


  • #7848
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    seamus wrote: »
    To be fair, I think what we're doing now is the opposite of a gamble. We're applying the measures which we know have worked in the recent past. The open question is how quickly they'll be effective, but we should be reasonably confident that they will.

    A short, hard lockdown is not something we've ever done. It should work, in principle. But our only experience of a hard lockdown took place nearly 10 months ago. And it was not short. As a population, we are now in a different place, we have a different understanding, and a certain level of confidence in handling the idea of a pandemic in our heads. In March people were in a state of shock and panic, happy to have a steady hand making strong decisions, and so willing to comply with the health guidelines. Not so compliant any more.

    I think moving to a hard lockdown now, would actually be the gamble IMHO. I would question peoples' willingness to stick with it, their lack of trust in government response, their overall weariness.

    The numbers right now, I think themselves are enough to drill some cop on into people. Coupled with the removal of hospitality and a ban on home visits - thing which we know are effective - gives us confidence that we will see the numbers come down.

    Things like closing schools indefinitely moves us back into a weird grey area, where we're not entirely sure what the outcome is going to be until we get there.

    This would all make a lot of sense, except I think you're wrong on a fundamental issue. We do not know how restrictions will work at this high an incidence level.
    Settings which may have been ok to open months ago, may now get visited by much larger numbers of infectious people and become unsafe.

    I think this time NPHET need to look at other countries that have experienced similar outbreaks and learn all they can from them.

    As you say, at the moment we're flying blind in terms of how big this outbreak really is.
    I believe the only data that's worth a damn right now is hospitalisations. It is a very imperfect comparison for reasons you outlined this morning, but look at this again and ask yourself do you think we might be in a worse situation than March/April?

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  • #7849
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Treepole wrote: »
    Funny how the two counties that won the All Irelands are two with the highest number of cases

    We’ve won like 8 of the last 10 all Ireland’s.
    Trust me, we are not celebrating anything close to 2011 levels.


  • #7850
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    What's the reasoning for construction staying open?
    Seely that cant continue, and Jan is the easiest time to close it off anyway!


  • #7851
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    What's the reasoning for construction staying open?
    Seely that cant continue, and Jan is the easiest time to close it off anyway!

    Keeping 100,000 off social welfare?


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  • #7852
    William Faithful Deer
    Posts: 0 ✭ William Faithful Deer


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    It's not the internet causing panic attacks.

    Everything you are consuming online is building up in your subconscious whether you realise it or not.

    This can certainly manifest itself in panic attacks.


  • #7853
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    look at this again and ask yourself do you think we might be in a worse situation than March/April?
    Genuinely not a clue. Look at how quickly hospital numbers topped out after a massive surge in growth. Comparisons are next to impossible mid-flight because the peak is literally just around the corner.

    Let's wait and see when we get to ~1100 hospitalisations what stage we're at.

    Shouldn't be long waiting...


  • #7854
    leanin2019
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭leanin2019


    5199 positive swabs, 25.27% positivity on 20,571 swabs
    - Monday, January 4th 2021

    https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/api/swabs/?c19tw

    6486 positive swabs, 22.72% positivity on 28,545 swabs.
    - Sunday, January 3rd 2021

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE


  • #7855
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Swabs in:

    Sunday: 6,486 on 28545 - 22.7%
    Monday: 5,199 on 20571 - 25.3%


  • #7856
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,834 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    More than half of new cases in Scotland are the new variant.

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  • #7857
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Swabs in:

    Sunday: 6,486
    Monday: 5,199

    The backlog grows


  • #7858
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    seamus wrote: »
    Genuinely not a clue. Look at how quickly hospital numbers topped out after a massive surge in growth. Comparisons are next to impossible mid-flight because the peak is literally just around the corner.

    Let's wait and see when we get to ~1100 cases what stage we're at.

    Shouldn't be long waiting...

    I think the big difference between this wave and the first wave is the level of activity in the community. Far more people still in work, far more shops and businesses classing themselves as essentially and remaining open, far more team sports training and getting on with things and just a large increase in the number of people just generally out and about. It's not surprising, we always knew Covid fatigue would set in.

    I wouldn't be counting on hospital admission numbers simply falling off a cliff-edge in the weeks ahead. You can't compare this wave with the first wave. The whole country literally ground to halt back in March and April, that just isn't the case now.

    I actually think it may be difficult for the Government to get the case numbers below 1,000 given the level of general activity in communities.


  • #7859
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    It's not the internet causing panic attacks.

    You are absorbing a lot of negative news right now and it's contributing to your fear. If you take a break, even from this forum for a while then you might feel more at ease.

    I have noticed your posts and its obvious you are very scared. That's ok because its a scary time. Fear can have a terrible impact on your wellbeing so while its understandable to feel it, its important to acknowledge and manage it.


  • #7860
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Today's drop in positive swabs compared to yesterday clearly due to a drop in testing.


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  • #7861
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Today's drop in positive swabs compared to yesterday clearly due to a drop in testing.

    Sunday would usually be lower anyway


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