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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #6602
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,913 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    They should probably close schools and construction for 2 weeks but biggest thing is to ensure that business actually follows the guidelines..

    That means bosses instructing everyone to work from home unless absolutely essential..

    That’s in my view the biggest issue

    There's way too many leaks and loopholes when it comes to restrictions and rules around covid. Virtually no enforcement of anything. Put that together with the amount of positive swabs recently, positivity rate and there we go. I would be surprised if we'll see any improvement anytime soon. Imo we are nowhere near to the peak yet.


  • #6603
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Don't put all our apples in one basket yes. Listen its not worth our while talking about it tbh as they've made their decision anyway. I just hope it works

    Well you have said this a few times so best we knock it in the head. The alternative would have been for us to make firm orders for all those vaccines as the EU has done but most likely at a higher price? If we don’t bet on one, do we bet on all?

    In terms of use, do we approve these ourselves? Or do we wait on EMA approval? Do we have the capacity to to the former? Is there a risk if the former that the anti-vaxxers can cast doubt on the efficacy and safety of the vaccine?

    All in, I think the best decision, even with the benefit of hindsight, is what we have done. There will be more vaccines approved in a matter of days.


  • #6604
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Don't put all our apples in one basket yes.

    Which is exactly what the EU vaccine purchasing scheme did.

    If every country went on their own it would be dog eat dog like PPE was and we all saw how that turned out. Having one common purchasing strategy has more advantages than disadvantages

    Dammed if they do dammed if they don't with some people


  • #6605
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Schools going back monday week instead of wednesday will certainly break some chains

    Not sure how, some not most maybe. The government has always said cases in community drive cases in schools and it has been repeated here. Well cases sky high in community so I presume schools should stay closed based on that advice.


  • #6606
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    What do they have left to do?

    5km to 2km
    Schools closed?
    Constructions closed?

    Not much else they can do at this stage

    You can ban click and collect for non essential stuff, takeaway pints etc


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  • #6607
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Which is exactly what the EU scheme was about.

    Block book and pre pay for x amount.

    Some people just love moaning for the sake of it

    Yes, but we did this as 27 MS spreading the risk.


  • #6608
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    What do they have left to do?

    5km to 2km
    Schools closed?
    Constructions closed?

    Not much else they can do at this stage

    Redefine what’s “essential” and what can be open. None of this craic of putting a few bottles of sanitiser for sale on a table and calling yourself essential.
    Pass legislation or simply instruct the financial institutions to implement mortgage holidays for people if businesses are shut due to government directive.
    No take away pints.
    Too much of it is now based on “if you can”, “should”, “advised to” etc.


  • #6609
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Yes, but we did this as 27 MS spreading the risk.

    Yup I agree, you'd have had the same issues we saw with PPE i think if it wasn't done as a collective.


  • #6610
    Marty1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭Marty1983


    titan18 wrote: »
    You can ban click and collect for non essential stuff, takeaway pints etc


    Could probably limit booze sales like they did in Australia. I was there last march and the limit per day was a case of beer (24 btls), two bottles of wine or one bottle of spirits. Only issue is they sell booze on every street in australia!


  • #6611
    JP100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    All those joggers and it's the New Year, they're out everywhere.

    Eamon Ryan saying there's always more to be done to suppress the virus... Eh, at what point will they look at schools?

    Always great to see people outside and as we are continually told the safest place we could be!


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  • #6612
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    khalessi wrote: »
    Not sure how, some not most maybe. The government has always said cases in community drive cases in schools and it has been repeated here. Well cases sky high in community so I presume schools should stay closed based on that advice.

    Point I was making that every action can have a beneficial result, no matter how small - closing schools for an extra 3 days results in an extra 5 days including the weekend, there will very likely be children testing positive, or in households of people testing positive, within those 5 days, that can then isolate and it makes a difference.


  • #6613
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Presumably people can tell people.

    People will ignore their friends. Or businesses will want something official to why you can't go into work.

    Remember a few months ago where we were told to do our own contact tracing? Some lad here posted that their employer told them to wait for the official word from contact tracing.

    I don't think I'd be entitled to social welfare either if my friend told me to isolate.


  • #6614
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Which is exactly what the EU scheme was about.

    Block book and pre pay for x amount.

    Some people just love moaning for the sake of it

    There was an interesting article in a local newspaper here in Poland over the Christmas, basically the polish minister for health sent an open letter to the European court in relation to there vaccination program including mandatory vaccination.
    Interestingly part of the reply Manley fousced on two things if they make it mandatory have plenty of money to pay out if anything goes wrong in the future and secondly wich seems to be a problem for a lot of eu countries is concent where vaccination is required for the elderly or high risk and would they be capable of or would next of kin give consent, seemingly this is a grey area
    This could be a reason for a slight delay of issuing vaccinations in many eu countries compared to Israel


  • #6615
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭prunudo


    All reducing the 5km to 2km will do is confine more people into smaller areas. At least a jogger or cyclist can at present stay away from built up areas to get longer distances in. 2km seriously curtails this and ends up getting peoples backs up as the footpaths end up being congested.

    Even the idea closing beaches and other outdoors areas makes no sense. I often wonder do those making decisions ever look beyond covid and overlook the health benefits of excercising in the freah air, and I'm not talking about a 25min stroll around the block.


  • #6616
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,359 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    prunudo wrote: »
    All reducing the 5km to 2km will do is confine more people into smaller areas. At least a jogger or cyclist can at present stay away from built up areas to get longer distances in. 2km seriously curtails this and ends up getting peoples backs up as the footpaths end up being congested.

    Even the idea closing beaches and other outdoors areas makes no sense. I often wonder do those making decisions ever look beyond covid and overlook the health benefits of excercising in the freah air, and I'm not talking about a 25min stroll around the block.

    The 2km, 5km, 1km, 500m rule will be completely ignored in rural areas. Utter irrelevance and silly really.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #6617
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    The 2km, 5km, 1km, 500m rule will be completely ignored in rural areas. Utter irrelevance and silly really.

    Speak for your own rural area. People in this particular area are very much sticking to it.


  • #6618
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Am I losing it, or used Ireland to be included in Euromomo's stats and is now gone? Is it just a new year tardiness thing?


  • #6619
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    A huge part of the problem is that a lot of people want the rules to apply to everyone else but not to themselves.

    The entire situation is horrible, no one wants this but at least if everyone does their bit, we might have some chance of containing it.

    Also,just because something is permitted doesn't mean it's wise. Having parties and mixing with people before going home to elderly or vulnerable people was just stupid even if the pubs were open.

    Some people behaved as if the virus was giving us a let off for 3 weeks before Christmas. What they did expect to happen?


  • #6620
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Do we have any idea how ICU numbers today compare to the same day last year?
    I know the INMO said last winter that trolley numbers broke all records.

    This day last week 94 people in ICU with influenza alone.


  • #6621
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    What do they have left to do?

    5km to 2km
    Schools closed?
    Constructions closed?

    Not much else they can do at this stage

    They could try enforcement of the existing restrictions. A wild idea I know.


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  • #6622
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    cannotlogin wrote: »
    A huge part of the problem is that a lot of people want the rules to apply to everyone else but not to themselves.

    The entire situation is horrible, no one wants this but at least if everyone does their bit, we might have some chance of containing it.

    Also,just because something is permitted doesn't mean it's wise. Having parties and mixing with people before going home to elderly or vulnerable people was just stupid even if the pubs were open.

    Some people behaved as if the virus was giving us a let off for 3 weeks before Christmas. What they did expect to happen?

    Did you not know, they "deserved Christmas". Literally all we heard in the lead up to it.


  • #6623
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    prunudo wrote: »
    All reducing the 5km to 2km will do is confine more people into smaller areas. At least a jogger or cyclist can at present stay away from built up areas to get longer distances in. 2km seriously curtails this and ends up getting peoples backs up as the footpaths end up being congested.

    Even the idea closing beaches and other outdoors areas makes no sense. I often wonder do those making decisions ever look beyond covid and overlook the health benefits of excercising in the freah air, and I'm not talking about a 25min stroll around the block.

    Why would they even consider closing beaches and other outdoor areas? They know spread happens indoors and still very little done about that. Masks are still only mandatory in certain types of businesses and a recommendation in other indoor areas!!! We all know recommendations get ignored.

    Why can't they work on areas where there's spread instead? Makes no sense closing beaches, restricting exercise to 2km etc when they won't look at what's exactly is happening.


  • #6624
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    cannotlogin wrote: »
    A huge part of the problem is that a lot of people want the rules to apply to everyone else but not to themselves.

    The entire situation is horrible, no one wants this but at least if everyone does their bit, we might have some chance of containing it.

    Also,just because something is permitted doesn't mean it's wise. Having parties and mixing with people before going home to elderly or vulnerable people was just stupid even if the pubs were open.

    Some people behaved as if the virus was giving us a let off for 3 weeks before Christmas. What they did expect to happen?

    A lot of elderly and vulnerable people enjoyed Christmas too. Funnily enough, some of them still have independent thought, socialised a bit themselves, and had the power too to tell family to stay away if they wanted.


  • #6625
    johndanielmoore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭johndanielmoore


    leanin2019 wrote: »
    Forgive me if its been asked already, but what the heck system were they using that could not handle recording 2000 cases or more per day??

    VisiCalc. They're planning on upgrading to Lotus 123


  • #6626
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    US2 wrote: »
    This day last week 94 people in ICU with influenza alone.

    Mod:

    You don't seem to grasp the concept of a threadban - Now forum banned for a month for a further breach

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #6627
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Why would they even consider closing beaches and other outdoor areas? They know spread happens indoors and still very little done about that. Masks are still only mandatory in certain types of businesses and a recommendation in other indoor areas!!! We all know recommendations get ignored.

    Why can't they work on areas where there's spread instead? Makes no sense closing beaches, restricting exercise to 2km etc when they won't look at what's exactly is happening.

    Obsfucation and distraction


  • #6628
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Extreme pressure, and we're just getting started

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1345737619322380288?s=19


  • #6629
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Extreme pressure, and we're just getting started

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1345737619322380288?s=19

    As posted the other day, large outbreak at CUH just after Christmas has impacted multiple wards and lead to high numbers of staff having to be off either as positive cases or close contacts.


  • #6630
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    As posted the other day, large outbreak at CUH just after Christmas has impacted multiple wards and lead to high numbers of staff having to be off either as positive cases or close contacts.

    This is being replicated elsewhere. Beaumont under pressure from staff shortages as well


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  • #6631
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    And you can play online now. Why haven't the lottery machines been turned off? Any unnecessary trips like this needs to be stopped.

    On that basis, why are betting shops open? That said, I suspect that there are a significant number of people who would not be set up for on line lottery, so closing the terminals down will impact the sales.

    It's much wider and deeper that just the lottery and gambling, and I don't think the latest lockdown will achieve the result that's needed, for a number of reasons.

    Brutal reality is that NPHET ( and RTE) have lost the ear of the public, I for one have heard "the next 2 weeks" a good few times too often, and phrases like "critical" " concerned" and "worried" have all lost their impact through overuse, and now the numbers are going through the roof, there's no words left for them to use to convey the gravity of what's happening.

    The total absence of any accountability is also a factor, across a number of areas of state services, I just hope people will remember these issues when the politicians are hammering on their doors next time round, and the lack of any sorts of alternatives is even more worrying, there seems to be no real plan other than lockdown.

    The 5Km limit is being ignored locally by people wanting to go for their walk in "a nice place where the kids can run free" rather than pounding the pavements around the town, with the result that a local spot, Balrath Woods has been closed to prevent further damage to the environment, pathways are being damaged, wildlife is under threat, and parking in the area is causing problems, there is very little local population around the area that can legally use the site, but that seemed to not matter to many people, so the controlling people have had to make the decision to close it completely for at least the duration of this lockdown, if not longer.

    I don't know how "no visitors" plan is working, we're at the end of the estate, and see no passing traffic or pedestrians, but if the issues that were evident previously have not changed, then there are still parties happening, the absence of any sort of enforcement is not helping.

    I wish I could feel confident that the HSE are going to receive the numbers of vaccine doses they need to meet the targets they have set, and I can only hope that they have the ability to deliver on their targets, their track record over the last 12 months in a number of critical areas does not inspire me in the slightest.

    I also wish I could share in the optimsim of the politicians, but unfortunately, I see their flag waving as being very premature, and it does not have the ring of confidence behind it that is essential for things to change, there are too many issues that they are unwilling or unable to answer when pressed.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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