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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #6392
    UsBus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    Snugglebunnies wrote: »

    Now all I can do is hope that the measures in my workplace were enough to protect me.

    Am trying to decide whether to WFH tomorrow or go in. I can do 90 per cent of my current role at home but have been requested to come on site the last 3 months. The issue I have is a few of my office colleagues have stopped wearing masks when at their desks. I was furious at them doing this in the run up to xmas. In a closed office this could be a disaster. Who knows where they've been the last few weeks.


  • #6393
    WicklaBlaa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭WicklaBlaa


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Here in Poland even if you're walking on your own, if you don't have a medical cert for exception you will be issued a on the spot fine for none compliance.

    There are literally no studies that show wearing a mask outside limits the spread of Covid.

    But who needs evidence in a pandemic?
    When people are terrified enough, they'll agree to anything.


  • #6394
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    BoJo telling nation schools are safe and send your kids.

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-insists-schools-are-safe-and-children-should-attend-tomorrow-12178155

    I can see Meehole doing likewise next week.


  • #6395
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    niallo27 wrote: »
    The number of deaths for under 65 is really low in the last 6 months, vulnerable or not in 43 so most are making a full recovery.

    Not dying is not making a full recovery.


  • #6396
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    WicklaBlaa wrote: »
    There are literally no studies that show wearing a mask outside limits the spread of Covid.

    But who needs evidence in a pandemic?
    When people are terrified enough, they'll agree to anything.

    Does it make it worse?


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  • #6397
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    leanin2019 wrote: »
    Forgive me if its been asked already, but what the heck system were they using that could not handle recording 2000 cases or more per day??

    Screenshot-20210103-103544.jpg


  • #6398
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Worth bearing in mind the death rate is still extremely low. If that (unfortunately) changes people’s behaviors will change too. Fear monger if no longer working on a lot of people, quite the opposite in fact.
    The deaths this week are from cases ~3 weeks ago though, no? So having ~10 times more cases now than 3 weeks ago is concerning.


  • #6399
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    The thread mentions schools reopening in UK may not be possible. Wonder will they likely be delayed here too again? https://twitter.com/CillianDeGascun/status/1345533671718195202?s=19


  • #6400
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    blade1 wrote: »
    Abacus
    Except an abacus could handle 100k cases without even doing anything complicated :(


  • #6401
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    UsBus wrote: »
    Am trying to decide whether to WFH tomorrow or go in. I can do 90 per cent of my current role at home but have been requested to come on site the last 3 months. The issue I have is a few of my office colleagues have stopped wearing masks when at their desks. I was furious at them doing this in the run up to xmas. In a closed office this could be a disaster. Who knows where they've been the last few weeks.

    Do you work for an essential service? If not the guidance is to WFH.


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  • #6402
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Eod100 wrote: »
    The thread mentions schools reopening in UK may not be possible. Wonder will they likely be delayed here too again? https://twitter.com/CillianDeGascun/status/1345533671718195202?s=19

    Good thread, in summary, the more we learn, the lower the effect the new variant appears to have as noise gets removed from the data


  • #6403
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    leanin2019 wrote: »
    Forgive me if its been asked already, but what the heck system were they using that could not handle recording 2000 cases or more per day??
    From discussions on Twitter, it seems the issue is one of performance. Once you have too many users on the system, it slows down to the point of being unusable. This is why the limit is "about" 2,000, since it depends on how many cases each user can log per day.

    This sounds typical of an expensive bespoke system, but it's also relatively easily fixed in the short term by throwing huge servers at it.
    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    BoJo telling nation schools are safe and send your kids.

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-insists-schools-are-safe-and-children-should-attend-tomorrow-12178155

    I can see Meehole doing likewise next week.
    My gut feeling is that we'll get pushed out by another week so that we can see infections numbers clearly dropping before sending the schools back.

    What I do find amusing though is the intersection of people criticising the government for differing from NPHETs advice, who also want schools closed even though NPHET has not advised that.


  • #6404
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    leanin2019 wrote: »
    Forgive me if its been asked already, but what the heck system were they using that could not handle recording 2000 cases or more per day??
    We've not had to deal with anything approaching this number before, hence our testing capacity may have been overrun (either locally or nationally). Add the Christmas and New Year holidays when numbers working on testing (be that the taking of samples and/or the lab testing) may have been limited it's not entirely surprising.


  • #6405
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    People weren't bolted in their homes. And it makes no sense whatsoever that it would only be in China for ages considering how much international travel there is.

    Ok, they weren't bolted, they were welded into their own homes. Here's a video if you disagree with that

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus-residents-welded-inside-their-own-home/

    Off course it was in China for months before they realised how serious it was. I'm believing the news pieces of extra internet searches in October 2019 with people with symptoms of covid. Along with the military world games held in October 2019 coming home with symptoms. These might have been the first travellers to bring home the virus and it takes off from there.


  • #6406
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    UsBus wrote: »
    Am trying to decide whether to WFH tomorrow or go in. I can do 90 per cent of my current role at home but have been requested to come on site the last 3 months. The issue I have is a few of my office colleagues have stopped wearing masks when at their desks. I was furious at them doing this in the run up to xmas. In a closed office this could be a disaster. Who knows where they've been the last few weeks.

    Do not go into work. If they're still banging on about social distancing and ok to take off your mask because you're distanced. It's very risky. Work from home.


  • #6407
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    Ficheall wrote: »
    The deaths this week are from cases ~3 weeks ago though, no? So having ~10 times more cases now than 3 weeks ago is concerning.

    We’ve been told each time we went into level 5 that it was due to cases being at such a high level. Two weeks later there was no rise in the death rates and no over runs in the hospitals.


  • #6408
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    seamus wrote: »

    What I do find amusing though is the intersection of people criticising the government for differing from NPHETs advice, who also want schools closed even though NPHET has not advised that.

    This.

    I hope people now realise that schools are not a big driver of infections, compared to socialising and households visits. That is what the data tells us. Compare November to what we've seen over the last 2 weeks, it's pretty stark.

    Anyway, schools should and will stay shut until infection rates are falling and back at manageable levels. Realistically, we probably need to be back down to 500 cases a day and with hospitals not overrun before schools can reopen. It's not going to be January, I'm afraid. Mid February would be more realistic, possibly after the February mid term.


  • #6409
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    Benimar wrote: »
    Do you work for an essential service? If not the guidance is to WFH.

    Admin staff in hospitals are being made work in the office ffs, while the HSE tells the rest of us to work from home.


  • #6410
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    BoJo telling nation schools are safe and send your kids.

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-insists-schools-are-safe-and-children-should-attend-tomorrow-12178155

    I can see Meehole doing likewise next week.

    There is absolutely zero chance of me sending my youngest back to school next week and i know of many other responsible parents who are of likewise thinking.


  • #6411
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Admin staff in hospitals are being made work in the office ffs, while the HSE tells the rest of us to work from home.

    Well that's probably because a significant amount of the admin work that gets done in the HSE is paper based.. you can't work from home on paper.

    We are paying the prices of failing to modernise

    Largely because the Irish state prefers to appease unions. Which is fine for industrial relations but it does inevitably result in situations like this..


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  • #6412
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    We’ve been told each time we went into level 5 that it was due to cases being at such a high level. Two weeks later there was no rise in the death rates and no over runs in the hospitals.

    There was 75 admissions to hospitals over night. There's 673 in hospital. It was 600 last night.

    There's been a rise in hospitalisations and can overwhelm them if this continues. This rise can quickly get out of hand.


  • #6413
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Well that's probably because a significant amount of the admin work that gets done in the HSE is paper based.. you can't work from home on paper.

    We are paying the prices of failing to modernise

    Largely because the Irish state prefers to appease unions. Which is fine for industrial relations but it does inevitably result in situations like this..

    I don't think the state likes appeasing the unions however the state does recognise how powerful the heath service unions are and doesn't challenge them. When you can put front line health workers in the spotlight of every debate it's extremely potent and the Irish public will back the unions in these instances.


  • #6414
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    UsBus wrote: »
    Am trying to decide whether to WFH tomorrow or go in. I can do 90 per cent of my current role at home but have been requested to come on site the last 3 months. The issue I have is a few of my office colleagues have stopped wearing masks when at their desks. I was furious at them doing this in the run up to xmas. In a closed office this could be a disaster. Who knows where they've been the last few weeks.

    Masks are very important but good and constant ventilation would be vital.


  • #6415
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    There is absolutely zero chance of me sending my youngest back to school next week and i know of many other responsible parents who are of likewise thinking.

    So other parents who have no choice but to go to work such as frontline workers doctors/nurses/AGS are irresponsible if they send their children to school. You do really like to label other people don’t you?


  • #6416
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    There is absolutely zero chance of me sending my youngest back to school next week and i know of many other responsible parents who are of likewise thinking.

    Unfortunately schools are seen as cheap childcare. And schools are safe controlled environments according to the gov and HSE.


  • #6417
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    We’ve been told each time we went into level 5 that it was due to cases being at such a high level. Two weeks later there was no rise in the death rates and no over runs in the hospitals.

    This feels a lot like a conspiracy theory post...


  • #6418
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    snotboogie wrote: »
    I don't think the state likes appeasing the unions however the state does recognise how powerful the heath service unions are and doesn't challenge them. When you can put front line health workers in the spotlight of every debate it's extremely potent and the Irish public will back the unions in these instances.

    Whether the state likes it or not, it's still appeasement.


  • #6419
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    There was 75 admissions to hospitals over night. There's 673 in hospital. It was 600 last night.

    There's been a rise in hospitalisations and can overwhelm them if this continues. This rise can quickly get out of hand.

    there are 153 on trolleys in irish hospitals as we speak, there were nearly 5 times that many this time last year and the hospitals coped no problem. We are a long long way from not coping.


  • #6420
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So other parents who have no choice but to go to work such as frontline workers doctors/nurses/AGS are irresponsible if they send their children to school. You do really like to label other people don’t you?

    You need to quit engaging with that agitator. Their only purpose is to wind people up.


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  • #6421
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    there are 153 on trolleys in irish hospitals as we speak, there were nearly 5 times that many this time last year and the hospitals coped no problem. We are a long long way from not coping.

    Would it not depend on what the patient is presenting with?


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