Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

mgn · 02-01-2021 05:53PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I wonder how soon Dr Ebun Joseph will be on The Late Late Show to tell us all how racist we are....

Please don't insult Doctors by referring to that hateful individual as a Doctor.

Atlantic Dawn · 02-01-2021 06:00PM

Is it normal for a state broadcaster to issue an apology and not saying who the apology is from, is it Dee, is it a head of production, who? RTE isn't a person as far as I know...

RTÉ has apologised after a number of people complained over a Waterford Whispers sketch segment in the New Year's Eve countdown programme, which was broadcast on RTÉ One television.

In a statement, the broadcaster acknowledged that some viewers were offended by the sketch and said that around 600 complaints have been received so far.

It said: "RTÉ recognises that matters which can cause offence naturally differ from person to person, within comedy and satire in particular.

"Having reviewed the feedback and complaints received up to this point, RTÉ wishes to apologise to those who were offended by the segment.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0102/1187296-eamon-martin-rte/

retalivity · 02-01-2021 06:24PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Is it normal for a state broadcaster to issue an apology and not saying who the apology is from, is it Dee, is it a head of production, who? RTE isn't a person as far as I know...

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0102/1187296-eamon-martin-rte/

Can they apologize for the whole show? I accidentally tuned in at 11.50, saw Kathryn Thomas & Deirdre O'Kane talking bollocks, swiftly switched over to Sky News for the countdown.

RabbleRouser2k · 02-01-2021 08:56PM

mgn wrote: »

Please don't insult Doctors by referring to that hateful individual as a Doctor.

She's dangerous. Genuinely dangerous. Spews venom and bile. Yet is given airtime by the idiots at RTE.

When she does do something that even they can't shrug off (and she will-John Connor's did it too, as did Margaret Cash)... they'll immediately drop her faster than you can say 'Al Porter'.

Nevin Parsnipp · 02-01-2021 09:11PM

ligerdub wrote: »

The viewing figures for Ireland matches probably make it one of the most advertiser friendly of anything RTE puts out.

He also does some radio work. I'm not well versed as to the extent of this, or indeed the sort of listenership he gets. It's worth something though. Let's say for arguments sake the radio gig is worth €50k per annum (others may disagree so fair enough).

There's also the consideration of the likes of the going rate for similar services. Punditry for example is a well paying gig across the board.

For me it depends on whether or not there is a competing broadcaster in general terms. For example, RTE will have the World Cup/Euros/Ireland national matches as well as the Champions league to some extent. If RTE throw in a novice or someone with no real legacy with the viewing public they might not be inclined to tune in. That's the difference in terms of better ad revenue or not. I suppose it really depends on whether or not they are meeting that requirement or not. On this one I think his salary is possibly a little high but not ridiculous.

Now I might have to go lie down and consider my own behaviour after defending RTE.

Trying to make some head way with your post..I'm sure it makes sense but I'm struggling to find it...probably my fault. !

Your first para is a fact although I'm sure Rugby and GAA would have equally advt friendly figures. ?

I know he does some stuff for Lyric around classical music on Saturday mornings but €50 k would be a bit rich for what is a backwater channel with limited appeal.

I don't agree that the choice of commentator has a major bearing whether or not people will choose one channel over another and again my main point is not whether his salary is too high (which I think it certainly is)but what is the difference in what he is paid versus what the VM or Irish Sky commentator gets.

That is the point ....I would be surprised if McIntyre is on much more than €100K....in which case Hamilton would be on double his salary.

Strange we have never been able to get that information...which was my original point.

Biafranlivemat · 02-01-2021 09:34PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I wonder how soon Dr Ebun Joseph will be on The Late Late Show to tell us all how racist we are....

Even thou I never agreed 100% with the late Rev Ian Paisley, I still have more respect for him , than this Ebun Joseph.

RabbleRouser2k · 02-01-2021 10:17PM

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

Even thou I never agreed 100% with the late Rev Ian Paisley, I still have more respect for him , than this Ebun Joseph.

They both encouraged folks to take a life. Or gave a pulpit to those who wished to put out a hit on a life.

Paisley even supplied money to the UVF.

He repented... but I'd say both are cut from the same cloth.

ligerdub · 02-01-2021 10:52PM

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

Trying to make some head way with your post..I'm sure it makes sense but I'm struggling to find it...probably my fault. !

Your first para is a fact although I'm sure Rugby and GAA would have equally advt friendly figures. ?

I know he does some stuff for Lyric around classical music on Saturday mornings but €50 k would be a bit rich for what is a backwater channel with limited appeal.

I don't agree that the choice of commentator has a major bearing whether or not people will choose one channel over another and again my main point is not whether his salary is too high (which I think it certainly is)but what is the difference in what he is paid versus what the VM or Irish Sky commentator gets.

That is the point ....I would be surprised if McIntyre is on much more than €100K....in which case Hamilton would be on double his salary.

Strange we have never been able to get that information...which was my original point.

My own fault probably.

I'm sure Rugby and GAA would have very high viewing figures. Bear in mind that 2016 was a (football) Euros year, so there would have been quite a lot of matches to work on. I'm not sure if Hamilton gets a fixed salary or if it moves but I'd imagine a that would be significant in terms of income.

The highest viewed TV shows that year had the Ireland matches right up there. The 6 Nations by comparison didn't fare as well, and there were a couple of GAA broadcasts near the top also.

https://www.balls.ie/football/most-watched-irish-tv-programmes-of-2016-356422

A viewing audience of 650k is a lot different than one of around 1 million. You could fairly argue that people would probably watch anyway, but if you've got that sort of potential audience reach you'll do your best to keep it, and that may mean forking out the dough. If Hamilton is the man in the seat then he gets that seats rate.

I see that VM did see some big audience figures for 2019:

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/revealed-top-50-most-watched-programmes-in-ireland-2019-38854384.html

The viewing figures for Ireland-Denmark surprised me.

You might be on to something there.

Elmo · 03-01-2021 12:13AM

To my mind sports pundits aren't bring the audience to the sport, it is good to have professional sports pundits but at the end of the day it should revolve around one or two.

I post the time's George Hamilton has appeared before but here are his figures

2016| 2013 | 2012 | 2011| 2010 | 2008 | 2004
186| 182 | 214 | 203 | 208 | 220 | 168

While I do disagree with wages of RTÉ "stars" you also have to take into consideration his time with the company over 40years, his Radio programme regardless of the station, his reports on sports programmes including news and his work on major events.

Other sports presenters over the years

Darragh Maloney in 2015 - 189,000 (he took over O'Herlihy's seat in that year)
Eamon Dunphy

2010| 2009 | 2008 | 2007
209 | 226 | 328| 286

Biafranlivemat · 03-01-2021 01:22AM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

They both encouraged folks to take a life. Or gave a pulpit to those who wished to put out a hit on a life.

Paisley even supplied money to the UVF.

He repented... but I'd say both are cut from the same cloth.

I'm very aware of what he did and said. Still has more class than Erbun.

Brendan Bendar · 03-01-2021 11:08AM

Germaine to those discussions the GAA situation is ‘kind of’ strange in RTE.

Is there a GAA ‘seat’ as it was called.

Back in the day you had O’Hehir, Mick Dunne, O’ Muircearthaig,as the main men in the GAA broadcast arena.

Then when Micheál retired, there wasn’t as I see it a replacement.

I think there was a heave from Northern circles to put Brian Carthy in as top dog but it didn’t work.

Now you have Brian Carthy, Darragh Moloney, Marty, Padraig Lodge, the Corkman whose name escapes me , and some minor lads who do provincial games ...

There doesn’t seem to to be a hierarchy of these lads that I can see.

Anyone?

retalivity · 03-01-2021 11:12AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Germaine to those discussions the GAA situation is ‘kind of’ strange in RTE.

Is there a GAA ‘seat’ as it was called.

Back in the day you had O’Hehir, Mick Dunne, O’ Muircearthaig,as the main men in the GAA broadcast arena.

Then when Micheál retired, there wasn’t as I see it a replacement.

I think there was a heave from Northern circles to put Brian Carthy in as top dog but it didn’t work.

Now you have Brian Carthy, Darragh Moloney, Marty, Padraig Lodge, the Corkman whose name escapes me , and some minor lads who do provincial games ...

There doesn’t seem to to be a hierarchy of these lads that I can see.

Anyone?

Ger Canning would appear to be the numero uno, as useless as he is.

Brendan Bendar · 03-01-2021 11:22AM

retalivity wrote: »

Ger Canning would appear to be the numero uno, as useless as he is.

Yes, that’s our man, does he do radio as well?

I always though Marty was the top t.v. lad

Darragh does both I think.

No doubt that Michael Corcoran and Donal Lenihan are the top rugby lads.

I notice that all the top commentators have basically neutral accents which are easy enough to listen to .

Now if they could weed out the pundits with with very ‘strong’ accents I feel it would definitely help the listener.

amlinopta · 03-01-2021 11:34AM

Think it was Mickey Harte got involved in trying to further Brian Carthy's cause but it didn't happen, he never commentated on a senior all-Ireland final and is on the way out. No obvious hierarchy among the others. Darragh Maloney usually comes in for a final on radio despite his main gig being television. Lodge the up and coming one?

Brendan Bendar · 03-01-2021 11:45AM

amlinopta wrote: »

Think it was Mickey Harte got involved in trying to further Brian Carthy's cause but it didn't happen, he never commentated on a senior all-Ireland final and is on the way out. No obvious hierarchy among the others. Darragh Maloney usually comes in for a final on radio despite his main gig being television. Lodge the up and coming one?

Yes, correct there, Padraic is the front of house lad for the racing industry in RTE, yet I don’t think he commentates on racing, which since O’Hehir and Robert has a mixture of voices.

That said I wouldn’t put Lodge in the top bracket for a while yet, if ever.
Competent,yes, but outstanding.....bit to go.

amlinopta · 03-01-2021 11:53AM

Have heard him filling in quite a bit on "It says in the papers" over the last while, an unusual combination with the sport.

RabbleRouser2k · 03-01-2021 12:25PM

amlinopta wrote: »

Think it was Mickey Harte got involved in trying to further Brian Carthy's cause but it didn't happen, he never commentated on a senior all-Ireland final and is on the way out. No obvious hierarchy among the others. Darragh Maloney usually comes in for a final on radio despite his main gig being television. Lodge the up and coming one?

Harte is seen as this prominent figure in Tyrone-gets a lot of say and sway over the goings on and happenings in the county.

I'd say he's started to think he has that power over the rest of the country, and media, too.
The Carthy thing showed he does not.

As did his 'keep the 8th' campaign.

Stovepipe · 03-01-2021 04:18PM

Harte and RTE don't speak to each other; he took umbrage over something that was said about his late daughter and the story goes, has not spoken to RTE "officially" since. Brian Carty was one of several RTE staff who took legal action against the station in the past concerning transfers/removal and replacement by others,etc

amlinopta · 03-01-2021 04:38PM

Stovepipe wrote: »

Harte and RTE don't speak to each other; he took umbrage over something that was said about his late daughter and the story goes, has not spoken to RTE "officially" since. Brian Carty was one of several RTE staff who took legal action against the station in the past concerning transfers/removal and replacement by others,etc

It was reported at the beginning of 2020 that his contract hadn’t been renewed and he was finished. But he wangled another year out of them. Seems to be difficult to get out of RTE once you get in!

Brendan Bendar · 03-01-2021 05:29PM

amlinopta wrote: »

It was reported at the beginning of 2020 that his contract hadn’t been renewed and he was finished. But he wangled another year out of them. Seems to be difficult to get out of RTE once you get in!

Very interesting, seems to be a lot of ‘actions’ in this realm.

The lads in the striped trousers seem to be involved quite a lot.

Leads one to surmise that there are a lot of ‘factions’ in this area, and various networks working hard.

Wouldn’t have a problem with Carthys commentary style, in fairness, but seems one may have to dig deeper to get the full stories.

Stovepipe · 03-01-2021 05:39PM

RTE seems to have a talent for keeping barristers busy; it forced a lot of the freelancers to become "Staff" and then laid them off at ages 60 to 65 but showed favouritism to others and kept them on well past 60. This created difficulties for people's pension(s) so lawyers were tooled up and unleashed and several well-known names got rewarded on the steps of the High Court for RTE's stupidity. I happened to meet one of those well-known names, who, with zero airs and graces, was working for a third party as he was entitled to do outside RTE and he gave me the whole story. Some of it was down to stupidity but some of it was also factions warring with each other and some of it was just pettiness from some full-time salaried individuals.

Brendan Bendar · 03-01-2021 05:52PM

Stovepipe wrote: »

RTE seems to have a talent for keeping barristers busy; it forced a lot of the freelancers to become "Staff" and then laid them off at ages 60 to 65 but showed favouritism to others and kept them on well past 60. This created difficulties for people's pension(s) so lawyers were tooled up and unleashed and several well-known names got rewarded on the steps of the High Court for RTE's stupidity. I happened to meet one of those well-known names, who, with zero airs and graces, was working for a third party as he was entitled to do outside RTE and he gave me the whole story. Some of it was down to stupidity but some of it was also factions warring with each other and some of it was just pettiness from some full-time salaried individuals.

Even more interesting.

Now I know you know a lot more than me on these issues,but am it right in stating that those who are ‘staff’ are operating under the same criteria as the ordinary Joe, and if things are going bad can be made redundant like any other company and must retire at age 65?.

Why would ‘freelancers’ not think a permanent pensionable post would be preferable to a less secure situation.

There must be something a lot of us licence payers don’t understand.

Do tell us......:P

AndyBoBandy · 03-01-2021 07:56PM

The freelancers are basically tax free!!

They (their company) earns €500k fee’s for presenting a show, the company corporate tax at 12.5%?, and the company pays the staff ‘the presenter’ a basic low salary (low enough so they don’t don’t pay a great deal of tax at the higher rate). They can then also probably write off a load of ‘expenses’ (car, fuel, travel), and save even more tax...

Kivaro · 03-01-2021 09:03PM

RTE, as a publicly funded organisation, should not be allowed to carry on like this.
They are corrupt to the core.
The goings-on at RTE make John Delaney's FAI shenanigans look like an afternoon tea party.

When the government rolls out the media tax (household tax) on all of us this year for just having a phone (aka device), then RTE will really go to town with our money. No wonder RTE personalities have that smug look about them.

Louis Friend · 03-01-2021 09:04PM

Ms Forbes, come back to us when you’ve shut down loss making rubbish like 2FM...

mgn · 03-01-2021 09:27PM

Kivaro wrote: »

RTE, as a publicly funded organisation, should not be allowed to carry on like this.
They are corrupt to the core.
The goings-on at RTE make John Delaney's FAI shenanigans look like an afternoon tea party.

When the government rolls out the media tax (household tax) on all of us this year for just having a phone (aka device), then RTE will really go to town with our money. No wonder RTE personalities have that smug look about them.

I suspect the usual protest mob of Boy Barrett, Smith and Murphy who jump on every protest bandwagon wont have much to say about them charges either.

For an organisation that wastes so much public money, you never hear of any TD holding them to account because if the do, the wont be asked back to the RTE studio again.

The mafia would learn from them.

AndyBoBandy · 03-01-2021 09:45PM

What do we think will the RTÉ first teamers all be back to work tomorrow, or will they have another week off?

03-01-2021 10:05PM

Reminder: you have only 5 days left to make a submission regarding the imposition of a digital tax.
Visit https://futureofmediacommission.ie/ or send an e-mail to them at info@futureofmediacommission.ie
be careful how you phrase your feedback because they will use anything they can to ringfence the income stream of RTE and prevent any meaningful change in the service delivered to the public.
My suggestions as to the main points to hit should be that RTE is beyond redemption(otherwise RTE will be the medium used to provide public broadcast services), universal charges, mission creep should be prevented are unfair and conflicts of interest such as sponsorship of shows or talent should be forbidden.

Stovepipe · 04-01-2021 03:04AM

Why would ‘freelancers’ not think a permanent pensionable post would be preferable to a less secure situation.

The freelancers who were "compelled" to become staff lost outside contracts because they were told that they "only" worked for RTE and could not work for the private stations or the private production companies, which is the majority of their work. Some of them bent the knee and became staff but others told RTE to stick it. It was bullying, plain and simple. The problem with the pension was that the people involved tended to be in their 50s, so they wouldnt have a long length of service ahead of them so they wouldnt build up a decent in-house pension fund, whereas if they stayed as freelancers, they could be more tax efficient. A lot of the lower tier freelancers being compelled to become staff would be lumped in with the regular non-broadcasting staff and would not be earning the stellar fees of the Joe Duffys.

carq · 04-01-2021 08:38AM

Any reason why ‘celebrity’ senator Lynn Ruane is being foisted on the public by RTE?

In the last week she has been on ‘Celebrity’ fittest family, the new years eve show, and now some upcoming comedy panel show.

What the hell is going on?

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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