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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #5972
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Our gov can't even count the cases properly.

    Useless Government can't count cases


  • #5973
    PsychoPete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,509 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Not agreeing with the poster, but ice cream shops, local coffee shop, Star bucks, bakery etc are no essential.

    Woodies is not essential.

    This BS about a place being essential is rubbish. If WW3 broke out tomorrow and Ireland were being bombed by mistake, do you think Susan ice cream palour would be open for business? All these places that call themselves essential would shut down very quickly.

    With these places been open it gives people an excuse to go out. I do think hardware shops should be open but limited number that can enter the store, stop people going in for a browse


  • #5974
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    How do you know it is? I've not heard a single case identified from such sources of infection.

    Do the HSE notify you of where each and every transmission comes from or what ???


    It's obviously transmitting where people are gathering and meeting so the poster is most likely right in his assertion about these businesses. The less places / opportunities people have to interact with others then the less the transmission rates will be.


  • #5975
    C__MC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Alot of young people dont fear getting the virus unfortunately.


  • #5976
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Our gov can't even count the cases properly.

    Governments and politicians mirror the values of the electorate voting them into office.


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  • #5977
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    MOR316 wrote: »
    If it makes you feel better, I blame you

    I blame you.

    I said we should burn down non-essential businesses in a big fire last week and people on this thread were castigating me. Me! I was the one who said we should ban walking.


  • #5978
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Governments and politicians mirror the values of the electorate voting them into office.

    HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!:D:pac:


  • #5979
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    coastwatch wrote: »
    Given that this time of year is usually a peak for admissions for all illnesses, what percentage of the current admissions would be for covid symptoms and complications?
    Covid cases are taking up 20% of current ICU capacity. Hard to even contemplate that as ICU capacity in Ireland is so limited. One illness to be taking such a high percentage of ICU capacity is frightening.

    Yes. ICUs managed many more Covid cases during the first wave but this means cancellations of surgeries so has serious ‘costs’. It could also mean having to be more selective about patients.

    There are about 11,000 acute hospital beds in Ireland so current percentage of Covid admissions is about 5.5% of our hospital beds. That percentage may not sound bad on initial look but this is in a hospital system that is regularly overrun and has chronic bed shortages in a country that has one of the lowest number of hospital beds per population and highest occupancy rates in the OECD without/before Covid.


  • #5980
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Are we mid-table?

    No, if we were able to get our cases out we'd be in the top 5 worst countries in the world terms of new cases per capita.

    The assumption is as always that everything is logged perfectly elsewhere. Much of Europe has seen a fall in numbers since before Christmas. How much of this is real and how much is down to reporting do you think? Croatia for example have seen a 66% fall in cases compared to just before Christmas


  • #5981
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    Do the HSE notify you of where each and every transmission comes from or what ???

    Given there's extremely limited contact tracing and surveillance going on, and there's really high levels of community transmission, this "I've seen no data proving cases are coming from there" is beyond stupid.

    We have no idea where most of our cases are coming from, we don't have the resources to find out. Hence no sector is safe unless proven otherwise.


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  • #5982
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    How do you know it is? I've not heard a single case identified from such sources of infection.

    This has been explained countless times for months now.

    Contact tracing only identifies people and places you have visited in the previous 48 hours. You will have acquired the disease prior to that. The purpose of contact tracing is to try and break the chain of transmission, not necessarily to identify where the disease was acquired.

    Just think about it for a minute. I am out tonight in a pub. I come into contact with someone who has Covid-19. I develop symptoms the following Friday. Contact tracing will only identify my contacts from Wednesday onwards. Of course it's not going to identify where I actually acquired the disease.

    Identifying the source of transmission only really comes into play for complex outbreak management and most cases are just attributed to an unknown source or to household transmission. Complex outbreak management is all but redundant with such high case numbers.

    The reality is we don't really have much information regarding the source of transmission in the vast, vast majority of cases.

    People really are deluded if they really think pubs and restaurants had nothing to do with seeding the cases for this explosion in case numbers.


  • #5983
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    growleaves wrote: »
    I blame you.

    I said we should burn down non-essential businesses in a big fire last week and people on this thread were castigating me. Me! I was the one who said we should ban walking.

    I'll bring my skateboard so. Always one step ahead!


  • #5984
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,187 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    Do the HSE notify you of where each and every transmission comes from or what ???

    It's obviously transmitting where people are gathering and meeting so the poster is most likely right in his assertion about these businesses. The less places / opportunities people have to interact with others then the less the transmission rates will be.


    Yes thanks for providing the source of your news, most helpful.


  • #5985
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Government has messed things up it seems.

    The public no longer care.

    IMO, the public have messed it up.

    The Government / HSE / NPHET have been fairly consistent in their advice all year.The public obviously haven't been as consistent in taking this advice.


  • #5986
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    C__MC wrote: »
    Alot of young people dont fear getting the virus unfortunately.

    How old are you?

    I ask because perhaps you don't remember...When we were all young, teenagers, in our 20s, we all thought we were invincible! We had no fear!

    People can say what they want but, me personally, I ain't gonna hold that against the youth! It's part of life and always has been


  • #5987
    C__MC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭C__MC


    MOR316 wrote: »
    How old are you?

    I ask because perhaps you don't remember...When we were all young, teenagers, in our 20s, we all thought we were invincible! We had no fear!

    People can say what they want but, me personally, I ain't gonna hold that against the youth! It's part of life and always has been

    Totally agree with you


  • #5988
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    MOR316 wrote: »
    How old are you?

    I ask because perhaps you don't remember...When we were all young, teenagers, in our 20s, we all thought we were invincible! We had no fear!

    People can say what they want but, me personally, I ain't gonna hold that against the youth! It's part of life and always has been

    None of us have lived through a pandemic before so I wouldn't speculate.


  • #5989
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    The transmission in queues outside cafes, Chip Shops, Ice Cream shops, Euro Value Shops ect is huge, especially with new strain. All non essential, but all bending the rules. Not to mention Woodies, all DIY stores, furniture stores, Electrical Stores. all open for business, all non essential.

    Who the **** is queuing outside an ice cream shop


  • #5990
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,591 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    growleaves wrote: »
    Outdoor transmission? How do you know that? Or rather why do you claim to know it?


    Wtf. Of course it transmits outdoor, how could it not. Depending on wind direction it's blowing down the whole line .


  • #5991
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,187 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    IMO, the public have messed it up.

    The Government / HSE / NPHET have been fairly consistent in their advice all year.The public obviously haven't been as consistent in taking this advice.
    Government are telling us every day counts etc etc yet they have used only 1800 vaccines of 40,000 that they received on 27th December, they will begin with nursing homes on Monday. No excuse for this delay, the vaccine is either approved for use or it's not.


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  • #5992
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,773 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    They have decided not to bother, or to recommend you not bother, getting tested even if you are a close contact and develop symptoms.


  • #5993
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,591 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Who the **** is queuing outside an ice cream shop


    Many.



    see it everyday .


  • #5994
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    None of us have lived through a pandemic before so I wouldn't speculate.

    Cancer is very real.

    Lots of young people, who know the horror of cancer, smoke like trains! It's only as they get older, the truth dawns on them and they decide to quit!

    I'm not speculating! You, me, everyone in this thread, if we were teenagers, in our 20s, this thread would carry a theme of rebellion rather than debate and information


  • #5995
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭crossman47


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    IMO, the public have messed it up.

    The Government / HSE / NPHET have been fairly consistent in their advice all year.The public obviously haven't been as consistent in taking this advice.

    I think that's right. In retrospect they were wrong to let restaurants open but people would really have resented that call. i think people took their eye off the ball when they heard about a vaccine. they didn't read the detail.


  • #5996
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,591 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Inquitus wrote: »
    They have decided not to bother, or to recommend you not bother, getting tested even if you are a close contact and develop symptoms.


    The cover up begins, we're now a poor mans China


  • #5997
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Inquitus wrote: »
    They have decided not to bother, or to recommend you not bother, getting tested even if you are a close contact and develop symptoms.

    They haven't

    They advise close contacts who develop symptoms to contact their GP and get referred for a test if necessary


  • #5998
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Who the **** is queuing outside an ice cream shop

    Mothers and Fathers with their children. I see it regularly. I don't think anything of it tbh


  • #5999
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,773 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Stheno wrote: »
    They haven't

    They advise close contacts who develop symptoms to contact their GP and get referred for a test if necessary

    I spoke to the nurse yesterday on the HSE line, my wife and daughter had already tested positive and I have symptoms, she said due to the volume it would be best if I assume I have it and do not get a test, as I have to self isolate either way and effectively an official test makes no difference. I told her I would still like to be tested and she reluctantly agreed to set one up, I had it this morning.

    They said the same thing to my Father-in-law and as a result he is not going to get tested even though my Mother-in-law has tested positive.

    My Daughter got tested due to a school close contact just before xmas, when I took her, we were in and out in 5 mins, she came back negative, twice. When I went with my Son this morning, it took 40 minutes odd due to the huge increase in test volume since prior to xmas.


  • #6000
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭alentejo


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Wtf. Of course it transmits outdoor, how could it not. Depending on wind direction it's blowing down the whole line .

    Outdoor transmission does occur, however it is a lot less than indoor transmission. Being in a line or queue outdoors is a lot less risky than being indoors esp if 2 meter rule is in place. I would suspect you would be very unlucky to get covid in this scenario.


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  • #6001
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Inquitus wrote: »
    They have decided not to bother, or to recommend you not bother, getting tested even if you are a close contact and develop symptoms.

    They have not. They recommend you get tested if you have symptoms.


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