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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #6032
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Back to first principles there

    Pull my finger


  • #6033
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Pretty sure the quantities of UV don't do it much harm here at any time of year.

    Well we were at single digit case numbers during the summer if you remember...


  • #6034
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭boardise


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    IMO, the public have messed it up.

    The Government / HSE / NPHET have been fairly consistent in their advice all year.The public obviously haven't been as consistent in taking this advice.

    best succinct advice I heard just before Christmas from a member of NPHET ...

    >>>>Act as if you have it.


  • #6035
    TheadoreT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭TheadoreT


    Anyone who's travelled home to parents or grandparents over christmas if they're in a vulnerable age category with the vaccine just around the corner must be looking for inheritance sooner rather than later. Despicable what's gone on over the holidays, especially those who came from UK.


  • #6036
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Drumpot wrote: »
    You were singling out young people, I said a selfish act is a selfish act, it doesn’t matter who you are or what age you are.

    But If it transpires that more young people have been driving spread then they don’t get a pass because they are young and it might upset them. You don’t need to castigate them either, but a conversation should be had on how little value being placed on other people’s lives.

    You say that as an adult. Even in your 20s, you're still learning and maturing.

    I ain't gonna blame a bunch of kids for meeting up and doing whatever, because they think no virus will get them. I've been there, you've been there, we've all been there.

    If a conversation is to be had, that's on their parents. It ain't on me or you to look upon a bunch of school kids, disapprovingly. I still remember what the youth of my generation were like

    Either way, it's moot! Doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Virus is here, it's spreading.


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  • #6037
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    "It’s not NEPHET or the governments fault that many people took December as a time to do what they can before January lockdown. Being allowed to do something does not mean you should do it. What’s happening now, the disaster unfolding was not inevitable and it’s been primarily driven by human behavior. We were told what would happen if people didn’t limit their social interactions and are now suffering for it."
    Wrong. Both to blame. "Being allowed to do something does not mean you should do it". What a load of Tosh! Asking an alcoholic to camp in a pub and not to drink. Government policy dictates human behaviour hence rules and regulations. Michael Martin and Varadkar specifically allowed pubs and restaurants open. The former saying people's well being and mental health was more important. Pub and restaurant owners packed them in. Multiple households socialising closely. No adequate ventilation. Anyone with a basic knowledge of science could see this coming. Michael Martin, populism at its worst.


  • #6038
    Tucker tunsel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Tucker tunsel


    TheadoreT wrote: »
    Anyone who's travelled home to parents or grandparents over christmas if they're in a vulnerable age category with the vaccine just around the corner must be looking for inheritance sooner rather than later. Despicable what's gone on over the holidays, especially those who came from UK.

    Bit harsh now.


  • #6039
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Lashes28 wrote: »
    No they weren't. My mam was in for a routine procedure and she wasnt tested before she went in. She went in on her own and I got a call from nurses to collect her. She was brought down in a wheelchair to front door I didn't get in at all. But definitely no test
    Very surprised to hear that. An overnight elective admission? In an acute hospital? In last few months?

    That goes against HPSC guidance. All elective admissions are meant to be tested within 72 hours prior to admission and depending on level of risk and reason for admission, again on day of admission.


  • #6040
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    TheadoreT wrote: »
    Anyone who's travelled home to parents or grandparents over christmas if they're in a vulnerable age category with the vaccine just around the corner must be looking for inheritance sooner rather than later. Despicable what's gone on over the holidays, especially those who came from UK.

    ****ing hell :pac::pac::pac:


  • #6041
    TheadoreT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭TheadoreT


    Tucker tunsel wrote: »
    Bit harsh now.

    Its literally life or death but so many couldn't resist their mothers brussel sprouts for one year. Abhorrently selfish.


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  • #6042
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    TheadoreT wrote: »
    Anyone who's travelled home to parents or grandparents over christmas if they're in a vulnerable age category with the vaccine just around the corner must be looking for inheritance sooner rather than later. Despicable what's gone on over the holidays, especially those who came from UK.

    Darn toothen, Ive been camped at my in laws since the 26th, so sign of them to kick the bucket yet though >;^)


  • #6043
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    On the RTE news today if i am not dreaming we were told that the sample of positives analysed for the new strain was something like 160 and from this they found 10% were of the new strain.Maybe some of the numbers people here can explain how NPHET can now estimate that the new strain only accounts for 5 to 17% from such a tiny sample.Seems very dubious to me.

    Stats. If a sample is representative you can always provide an estimate of the population proportion. You can never say with 100% certainty, but the scientific standard is 95% which is what the given range represents- you are 95% confident the true mean will be in that range. More samples, you get a tighter range for the 95% confidence interval


  • #6044
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    majcos wrote: »
    Very surprised to hear that. An overnight elective admission? In an acute hospital? In last few months?

    That goes against HPSC guidance. All elective admissions are meant to be tested within 72 hours prior to admission and depending on level of risk and reason for admission, again on day of admission.

    It might not have been over night.
    I had a surgical procedure done a few weeks ago, couple of hours in hospital. No test. Couldn't wait to run out of the place.


  • #6045
    kingshankly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,013 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    Sugar coaters must be scratching their heads


  • #6046
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Well we were at single digit case numbers during the summer if you remember...
    I'm not denying that outdoorsiness and general summer weather etc helped, but I think (I didn't look much into it then and have googled it even more briefly now, so might be wrong) that the type of UV light that kills bacteria/viruses doesn't tend to make it through the ozone much:https://www.healthline.com/health/does-uv-kill-coronavirus#uvc-light-and-coronavirus


  • #6047
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TheadoreT wrote: »
    Anyone who's travelled home to parents or grandparents over christmas if they're in a vulnerable age category with the vaccine just around the corner must be looking for inheritance sooner rather than later. Despicable what's gone on over the holidays, especially those who came from UK.

    There is something despicable, this post!


  • #6048
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    The transmission in queues outside cafes, Chip Shops, Ice Cream shops, Euro Value Shops ect is huge, especially with new strain. All non essential, but all bending the rules. Not to mention Woodies, all DIY stores, furniture stores, Electrical Stores. all open for business, all non essential.
    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    How do you know it is? I've not heard a single case identified from such sources of infection.
    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    This has been explained countless times for months now.

    Contact tracing only identifies people and places you have visited in the previous 48 hours. You will have acquired the disease prior to that. The purpose of contact tracing is to try and break the chain of transmission, not necessarily to identify where the disease was acquired.

    Just think about it for a minute. I am out tonight in a pub. I come into contact with someone who has Covid-19. I develop symptoms the following Friday. Contact tracing will only identify my contacts from Wednesday onwards. Of course it's not going to identify where I actually acquired the disease.

    Identifying the source of transmission only really comes into play for complex outbreak management and most cases are just attributed to an unknown source or to household transmission. Complex outbreak management is all but redundant with such high case numbers.

    The reality is we don't really have much information regarding the source of transmission in the vast, vast majority of cases.

    People really are deluded if they really think pubs and restaurants had nothing to do with seeding the cases for this explosion in case numbers.

    I actually don't think your post is relevant really to Atlantic Dawns main point - that outdoor hasn't been seen to be a big driver of infections (your point being mainly to do with indoor source from what I see).

    Bornetobewilde's comment that "transmission in queues outside cafes, Chip Shops, Ice Cream shops, Euro Value Shops ect is huge" is nonsense. IMO!


  • #6049
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    kingshankly wrote: »
    Sugar coaters must be scratching their heads

    Dandruff


  • #6050
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    TheadoreT wrote: »
    Its literally life or death but so many couldn't resist their mothers brussel sprouts for one year. Abhorrently selfish.

    Horse**** talk. If you weren't mixing before you visited your parents over Xmas it's a moot point.


  • #6051
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    On the RTE news today if i am not dreaming we were told that the sample of positives analysed for the new strain was something like 160 and from this they found 10% were of the new strain.Maybe some of the numbers people here can explain how NPHET can now estimate that the new strain only accounts for 5 to 17% from such a tiny sample.Seems very dubious to me.

    If you add salt to a pot of soup, do you have to drink the whole pot to see how salty it is or can you just taste a teaspoon?


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  • #6052
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    babybuilder wrote: »
    "It’s not NEPHET or the governments fault that many people took December as a time to do what they can before January lockdown. Being allowed to do something does not mean you should do it. What’s happening now, the disaster unfolding was not inevitable and it’s been primarily driven by human behavior. We were told what would happen if people didn’t limit their social interactions and are now suffering for it."
    Wrong. Both to blame. "Being allowed to do something does not mean you should do it". What a load of Tosh! Asking an alcoholic to camp in a pub and not to drink. Government policy dictates human behaviour hence rules and regulations. Michael Martin and Varadkar specifically allowed pubs and restaurants open. The former saying people's well being and mental health was more important. Pub and restaurant owners packed them in. Multiple households socialising closely. No adequate ventilation. Anyone with a basic knowledge of science could see this coming. Michael Martin, populism at its worst.

    There’s a contradiction in this thinking. You accept that the government was populist, in this definition they gave the people what they wanted.

    Why do you jump to the extreme ? (Alcoholic)? It’s like you are suggesting people have absolutely no self restraint and it’s the responsibility for the government to force common sense and a sense of personal responsibility into people. Everybody is responsible for their own actions, the government didn’t force people to goto pubs or social events in houses.

    Again, just deflecting away from Joe public that have made a balls of this and are looking at anywhere else to blame.


  • #6053
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    kingshankly wrote: »
    Sugar coaters must be scratching their heads
    No they change their whinging to other issues.

    "wah wah flu bro"

    Changes to

    "best country in Europe ffs"

    Now to

    "yeah but the UK variant isn't prevalent"

    It's pathological. Once the hive mind in here gets an idea in its head, the record starts skipping and it's like they can't switch the station.

    I would have thought the many months of stress and aggravation would have led to some adaptability and critical thinking but it's just "pick a position and stick to it until the bitter end".

    This is a rapidly changing situation but their tiny brains can't keep up with all the information.


  • #6054
    TheadoreT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭TheadoreT


    MOR316 wrote: »
    ****ing hell :pac::pac::pac:

    It's funny until it isnt and they're dying in hospital alone becuase Oisin or Sile couldn't muster up enough respect to stay away for one year.


  • #6055
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The assumption is as always that everything is logged perfectly elsewhere. Much of Europe has seen a fall in numbers since before Christmas. How much of this is real and how much is down to reporting do you think? Croatia for example have seen a 66% fall in cases compared to just before Christmas

    I won't pretend to have any particular insight on Croatia, but a glance at their google mobility data shows they've been under heavy and well adhered to restrictions for weeks.
    https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-12-29_HR_Mobility_Report_en.pdf

    I take your point to an extent though. Christmas testing was poor in many countries and will have distorted things somewhat. That said I don't think there's many countries out there that had anything like the Christmas run-up that we did. I think this is a very big, embarrassing outbreak of international significance.


  • #6056
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    MOR316 wrote: »
    So NPHET, the most pessimistic group of people in the country right now..
    What on earth makes you think they are the most pessimistic group of people in the country right now?


  • #6057
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    Amirani wrote: »
    If you add salt to a pot of soup, do you have to drink the whole pot to see how salty it is or can you just taste a teaspoon?

    If its a big pot and a small teaspoon probably no chance of any taste of salt


  • #6058
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TheadoreT wrote: »
    It's funny until it isnt and they're dying in hospital alone becuase Oisin or Sile couldn't muster up enough respect to stay away for one year.

    Many parents particularly requested that they see grown kids at Christmas. Many old people would rather risk dying than potentially not see their kids or grandkids again. Many people who travelled home were tested before coming home, and I know of a few areas in the west of Ireland for one where holiday let’s were full in December of people who rented out property for a couple of weeks so the could safely meet family,

    But judge away from your high horse


  • #6059
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭boardise


    MOR316 wrote: »
    How old are you?

    I ask because perhaps you don't remember...When we were all young, teenagers, in our 20s, we all thought we were invincible! We had no fear!

    People can say what they want but, me personally, I ain't gonna hold that against the youth! It's part of life and always has been

    I know what you're saying and I'm not trying to be pointlessly argumentative - but is it not the case that the current context is unprecedented for all of us .
    A pandemic means in effect all bets are off -normality cannot be maintained...just like in a war or disaster e.g.tsunami ,earthquake etc.
    Anyone old enough to understand how society works and how mass contagions work simply must accept a degree of sacrifice and privation for an annoyingly long yet temporary duration.


  • #6060
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    billyhead wrote: »
    Horse**** talk. If you weren't mixing before you visited your parents over Xmas it's a moot point.


    That's fair enough if that is genuinely the case. Not a single visit to a shop. No parcels accepted from delivery men. No visits to the petrol station to fill up your car. Every single person inside your bubble had zero contact, direct or indirect, with anyone for those two weeks.


    Which isn't the case for 99% of people I'd say.


    I just hope that people are all ok over the next week or so.


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  • #6061
    sporina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,127 ✭✭✭sporina


    Q whats the diff between the "14 day incidence rate per 100,000" and "new cases during last 14 days"?


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