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swiwi_

connemara man wrote: »

I lost somewhere between 8&10 stone this year,
I was well north of 22 stone last year and I'm 14 something for the first time in 10 years the past couple of weeks

Googles “22 stone in kilograms”.

Mate, that’s a great effort!

swiwi_

My new image of connemara man. Combining weight loss with ultimate hipness. Expect molloyjh, venjur and .ak to be pretty jealous tbh.

Stheno

connemara man wrote: »

I lost somewhere between 8&10 stone this year,
I was well north of 22 stone last year and I'm 14 something for the first time in 10 years the past couple of weeks

You've lost more than I weigh!

[Deleted User]

swiwi_ wrote: »

Hold up the show there lad, since when did I get ringfenced in with the hipsters?

Albeit I am very jealous of the weight loss! Well done connemara man - that's some going.

[Deleted User]

Given the direction numbers are going - an awful lot of people must have really ignored all guidance over Christmas.

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Given the direction numbers are going - an awful lot of people must have really ignored all guidance over Christmas.

Seems so

FACECUTTR

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Given the direction numbers are going - an awful lot of people must have really ignored all guidance over Christmas.

As soon as the vaccine got cleared people switched off. This is what they did not want to happen. The HSE is in a better position now than last march but it's going to be a tough 3 months ahead for all.

Squidgy Black

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Given the direction numbers are going - an awful lot of people must have really ignored all guidance over Christmas.

Was a disaster. Was more or less a normal Christmas for most people I've spoken to, big Christmas dinner with the wider family and people dropping in for a cuppa and giving presents. Plenty of instagram stories of gaf parties over the past few days as well.

Buer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Given the direction numbers are going - an awful lot of people must have really ignored all guidance over Christmas.

I think that was pretty much expected. The one thing I found absolutely madness was mass going. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Up and down the country there were gatherings (even allowing for the limited numbers) of parishioners in a space together, arriving and leaving at the same time, greeting each other etc. It was an officially sanctioned activity involving some of the most elderly and vulnerable in society.

sydthebeat

FACECUTTR wrote: »

. The HSE is in a better position now than last March... .

Can you flesh that out a bit please? I assume your involved somehow in that sector....

Before the pandemic we had 225 ICU beds, and I believe that increased to 354 in the first wave as surge capacity.... But a lot of those beds were disbanded after not being needed and currently we have around 280?

Also it's my understanding that we actually have less nurses now than we did pre pandemic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40067145.html%3ftype=amp

And we also have the issue of student nurses pay / responsibilities issue causing big problems.

[Deleted User]

swiwi_ wrote: »

My new image of connemara man. Combining weight loss with ultimate hipness. Expect molloyjh, venjur and .ak to be pretty jealous tbh.

All joking aside losing weight costs a fortune in new clothes

sydthebeat

Buer wrote: »

I think that was pretty much expected. The one thing I found absolutely madness was mass going. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Up and down the country there were gatherings (even allowing for the limited numbers) of parishioners in a space together, arriving and leaving at the same time, greeting each other etc. It was an officially sanctioned activity involving some of the most elderly and vulnerable in society.

Not sure that happened everywhere.

The local CC churches to me all had lotteries for mass space, and you weren't asked in without a ticket.
The pews are arranged so that only one in three are available, and only same families are allowed in on pew if 2ms can't be maintained.

The biggest issue is obviously the family visiting and the new more transmittal strain. It's pretty rampant in my town (about 10k people).

Buer

sydthebeat wrote: »

Not sure that happened everywhere.

The local CC churches to me all had lotteries for mass space, and you weren't asked in without a ticket.
The pews are arranged so that only one in three are available, and only same families are allowed in on pew if 2ms can't be maintained.

The biggest issue is obviously the family visiting and the new more transmittal strain. It's pretty rampant in my town (about 10k people).

I think the lottery system was in place generally. However, that still allowed crowds of up to 200 in some churches (both my local church and the cathedral in Mayo where I spent Christmas had) on the day depending on the size of it. I thought it was utter madness regardless of the reduced numbers.

We were never going to be able to stop families visiting one another or mixing. That's a matter of personal responsibility. However, religious services should have remained online without exception.

Burkie1203

3500 covid cases up north today. thats the equivalent of about 15000 here

Stheno

Burkie1203 wrote: »

3500 covid cases up north today. thats the equivalent of about 15000 here

Thats a two day figure

Burkie1203

Stheno wrote: »

Thats a two day figure

Journo decided to add that in on his 3rd tweet. Literally just copped it now

[Deleted User]

It's still the equivalent of us having 2 7500 days in a row but I fear we're drifting towards those numbers either way.

I know the overwhelming majority of my neighbours cancelled all plans over Christmas but throughout the estate there were a few days where there were an awful lot of cars parked up.

The HSE are saying it's mostly community spread so clearly people took the piss. There are going to be a lot of people feeling extremely guilty in the coming weeks, or maybe that's a level of reflection too far. I worry we'll see scenes similar to Italy at the beginning of the outbreak in NI, Wales and potentially England. Hopefully it won't get that bad here.

FACECUTTR

sydthebeat wrote: »

Can you flesh that out a bit please? I assume your involved somehow in that sector....

Before the pandemic we had 225 ICU beds, and I believe that increased to 354 in the first wave as surge capacity.... But a lot of those beds were disbanded after not being needed and currently we have around 280?

Also it's my understanding that we actually have less nurses now than we did pre pandemic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40067145.html%3ftype=amp

And we also have the issue of student nurses pay / responsibilities issue causing big problems.

There are more facilities available now with piped oxygen. Lots of redevelopment happened by HSE Estates. The beds may have been disbanded but they can be made operational again with minimal issues. Staffing is the area we will have the most issues. For all the chat of streamlining the re-hiring and new hires it has not worked. Staff have been redeployed from non essential services but if the numbers continue to climb it will not be good.

Neil3030

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's still the equivalent of us having 2 7500 days in a row but I fear we're drifting towards those numbers either way.

I know the overwhelming majority of my neighbours cancelled all plans over Christmas but throughout the estate there were a few days where there were an awful lot of cars parked up.

The HSE are saying it's mostly community spread so clearly people took the piss. There are going to be a lot of people feeling extremely guilty in the coming weeks, or maybe that's a level of reflection too far. I worry we'll see scenes similar to Italy at the beginning of the outbreak in NI, Wales and potentially England. Hopefully it won't get that bad here.

Nah you can already tell what people will say:

"Gave it to my wife and her sister, but thankfully the kids didn't get it and we're all fine now"

Whether it's ability or inclination, or both, they won't see their role in the wider spread.

[Deleted User]

FACECUTTR wrote: »

There are more facilities available now with piped oxygen. Lots of redevelopment happened by HSE Estates. The beds may have been disbanded but they can be made operational again with minimal issues. Staffing is the area we will have the most issues. For all the chat of streamlining the re-hiring and new hires it has not worked. Staff have been redeployed from non essential services but if the numbers continue to climb it will not be good.

The treatment schedule for covid is also much more defined than it was at the outset and the variety of drugs deployed are more effective in managing the progression of the illness.

Other services will gradually be triaged out if covid patient numbers increase. Covid kills very quickly and unfortunately that means covid patients are prioritised over longer term chronic illnesses. Theatres will close last.

People denying all this just don't understand how the health services make life and death decisions. I'm so sick of seeing the misinformation on the likes of facebook and twitter and if covid has demonstrated anything it's that if the long term wellbeing of society is to be protected then social media needs to be dramatically reformed.

FACECUTTR

Icu admissions for covid can last for days to months so beds in the low hundreds get swallowed up very fast as soon as there is a surge. As you have said the rest of the HSE services will get switched off as the numbers increase and that has a knock on with run of the mill procedures or treatment. You have sicker people in the community as a result and that in itself creates issues with ambulance turnaround times. People fail to realise the service already was at 100% capacity before covid and that high covid numbers in hospital will be very serious for the general public if they need any treatment.
The government should be getting onto Facebook or any social media outlet that publishes false or misleading articles.

Zzippy

I had an appointment in early Dec with a surgeon who was adamant we are over-egging this thing. He had a point about other patients missing diagnosis, he's lost patients who were stage 4 cancer before being seen, but was still hard to listen to considering the numbers of people dying or left severely debilitated.

We cancelled all family stuff over Christmas, didn't see grandparents or siblings etc. Wife's brother got married but she only went to the church and missed the reception. From what I saw most of the neighbours were very compliant too. But you read tweets from doctors manning out of hours services, snowed under with calls seeking tests, and calling back symptomatic people who were clearly out driving or in shops, definitely not isolating. I know of two people who came home from UK and never isolated, socialised with family etc straight away. However many of us there are who are doing our bit, there are plenty who just don't give a xxxx.

Podge_irl

connemara man wrote: »

All joking aside losing weight costs a fortune in new clothes

I carried about 90kg for a few years before dropping down to 70, but was very active at that time. Returned to a more steady 75ish now.

Of course I bought some suits when I lost the weight as my old ones looked comical. So now I own a set of suits that are painfully tight (to the point of unwearable depending on whether I had breakfast...) and a set that look like I borrowed them from my dad.

Podge_irl

Zzippy wrote: »

I had an appointment in early Dec with a surgeon who was adamant we are over-egging this thing. He had a point about other patients missing diagnosis, he's lost patients who were stage 4 cancer before being seen, but was still hard to listen to considering the numbers of people dying or left severely debilitated. .

I would think he's evidently wrong about it being "over-egged" as it is clearly a massive problem. I do worry about the reductions in other services though - while I claim zero expertise I have read a few things about oncology services in particular where restrictions have caused a lot of suffering.

stephen_n

FACECUTTR wrote: »

As soon as the vaccine got cleared people switched off. This is what they did not want to happen. The HSE is in a better position now than last march but it's going to be a tough 3 months ahead for all.

Well the amount of people in hospital has nearly doubled in the last 7 days. The ICU numbers have gone up by 20 in the last 3 days. We haven’t seen the affect of Christmas yet and the positive cases are huge today. I’m not sure the HSE can manage what we are going to see in the next 2-3 weeks.

[Deleted User]

We'll be back to max restrictions, no schools and 2km limit again pretty imminently I'd say 3394 cases today.

Bazzo

Zzippy wrote: »

I had an appointment in early Dec with a surgeon who was adamant we are over-egging this thing. He had a point about other patients missing diagnosis, he's lost patients who were stage 4 cancer before being seen, but was still hard to listen to considering the numbers of people dying or left severely debilitated.

We cancelled all family stuff over Christmas, didn't see grandparents or siblings etc. Wife's brother got married but she only went to the church and missed the reception. From what I saw most of the neighbours were very compliant too. But you read tweets from doctors manning out of hours services, snowed under with calls seeking tests, and calling back symptomatic people who were clearly out driving or in shops, definitely not isolating. I know of two people who came home from UK and never isolated, socialised with family etc straight away. However many of us there are who are doing our bit, there are plenty who just don't give a xxxx.

He's absolutely right about the later presentations of cancers which is a huge problem, the other half works in a cancer hospital and it's a worrying trend.

He's missed the mark by a million miles with the "over-egging" nonsense. He should talk to some respiratory or ER consultants here in the UK whose ITUs have been at capacity or over since early December and things are only getting worse. I've seen hardened consultants and paramedics near to tears with the situation.

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We'll be back to max restrictions, no schools and 2km limit again pretty imminently I'd say 3394 cases today.

That's not even close to positive swabs today there were 4502 today

We've a backlog of positive cases now approx 10k

aloooof

Deleted User wrote: »

We'll be back to max restrictions, no schools and 2km limit again pretty imminently I'd say 3394 cases today.

You’d have to imagine so, can’t see how they can re-open schools at the current levels, and don’t see it being substantially better (if it all) by 11th.

The worry is, there’s probably likely to be less compliance this time round...

molloyjh

Andrea Corr can feck off with that version of Lilac Wine. Feck. Right. Off.