Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

Ficheall wrote: »

By the end of last January it was clear covid was going to be a problem, and there was a fear that people wouldn't take it seriously enough until it was too late. It feels like that again.

Nurses on the UK news talking about how the number of previously healthy 20/30 year olds they're seeing with breathing difficulties is on the up.. And unaffected people over here claiming it's overblown and nothing to worry about.

This thing is going to get worse before it gets better, vaccines or not.

Ah, I see your point.

I'm in full agreement. It's still not really hitting home to a lot of people how serious this is. Look at the amount of hospitalisations now - and we're not even peaking yet. That's genuinely scary to me. To be fair, I think there's more acknowledgement than usual that this is a grave situation. Most can't deny it at this stage - except for the few permanently chronically deluded posters who seem to simply not reside mentally in the real world.

I know we're all gluttons on here for all Covid related news, but out there, in daily life, it really hasn't filtered down to people I work with or know how rough these next weeks will be.

Personally, it reminds me a bit more of early March where the news and the informed commentary was telling us to get ready and be prepared, but, yet, life was still going on as normal and no-one seemed the least bit concerned when you stepped outside the front door and it was hard to square that circle in my head that told me that something was coming that could turn all of this quickly arse over tit.

Wolf359f wrote: »

The CSO website website listed figures under 5 as .. with an *
It;s not accurate with figures under 5, the daily HPSC reports list all deaths, thats what you should be using.

42 deaths in a population of 5 mil is low yes, but if we had a serial killer targeting under 65's with 42 deaths already.... well there would be public outcry, people would be terrified. Because it's a virus.... those deaths seem to be acceptable to you.

If someone under 5 died of this we would know about it, we have to accept some death though or else we will be locked down forever. We accept it in all aspects of life but for some reason we cannot accept it if its from covid.

niallo27 wrote: »

If someone under 5 died of this we would know about it, we have to accept some death though or else we will be locked down forever. We accept it in all aspects of life but for some reason we cannot accept it if its from covid.

You've gone from zero deaths in the past 6 weeks for under 65, despite it been proven that 40+ have died, to underlying conditions, to accepting it to now accepting a child dying.

Man up and accept the thread you read on reddit was false, it happens to us all.

Mighty thread on the backlog issues

https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1345168253019156482

niallo27 wrote: »

If someone under 5 died of this we would know about it, we have to accept some death though or else we will be locked down forever. We accept it in all aspects of life but for some reason we cannot accept it if its from covid.

We accept it for aspects of life yes, but look at the real impact of COVID.

The UK is seeing almost 1000 deaths in a day (and Germany the same). That is more than 5 Ryanair aircraft crashing daily killing everyone onboard, and for one country alone (again one country, ONE day, and not counting other health impacts). That is something no one would or should accept.

Now of course people will come and say these were old people, etc. but still these were fellow humans who had months if not years left to live, to make the best of their retirement, grandkids, etc.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ignoring the economic catastrophe coming in the next few years in Ireland, the current measures since March have cost €3 million per hour.

Every day is critical

The HSE won’t improve in my lifetime that’s for sure

If it was only Ireland struggling with the pandemic, fair enough. But it's almost every country worldwide suffering mentally, physically and financially.
The term a rising tide lifts all boats, well there must be an opposite version for a tide lowering, because all boats are sinking worldwide. This is not something specific with Ireland.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The fact most don’t know this shows it’s tunnel vision exercise

So what's the alternative Fintan?

Just sit back and let it wash over us?

It's been made very clear that if we continue as we are we won't have a functional health system by the end of the month - the numbers do not lie, we will simply run out of space if we keep going like this and admission numbers will worsen before they get better. These are undeniable facts now.

What's your plausible suggestion to rectify or curtail that?

embraer170 wrote: »

We accept it for aspects of life yes, but look at the real impact of COVID.

The UK is seeing almost 1000 deaths in a day (and Germany the same). That is more than 5 Ryanair aircraft crashing daily killing everyone onboard, and for one country alone (again one country, ONE day, and not counting other health impacts). That is something no one would or should accept.

Now of course people will come and say these were old people, etc. but still these were fellow humans who had months if not years left to live, to make the best of their retirement, grandkids, etc.

We need to have an adult conversation about death being a consequence of life.

2020 was the worst year for death in the UK since 2008.

12 years.

Arghus wrote: »

So what's the alternative Fintan?

Just sit back and let it wash over us?

It's been made very clear that if we continue as we are we won't have a functional health system by the end of the month - the numbers do not lie, we will simply run out of space if we keep going like this and admission numbers will worsen before they get better. These are undeniable facts now.

What's your plausible suggestion to rectify or curtail that?

Hello Argus.

What’s my plausible suggestion?

It’s that community transmission is not the biggest issue we have seen so far.

It’s transmission within care homes, nursing homes and hospital settings.

Something is wrong in those places.

We need to know why it’s spreading in those places regardless of if it can be counteracted or not.

5km restrictions won’t solve those issues

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Hello Argus.

What’s my plausible suggestion?

It’s that community transmission is not the biggest issue we have seen so far.

It’s transmission within care homes, nursing homes and hospital settings.

Something is wrong in those places.

We need to know why it’s spreading in those places regardless of if it can be counteracted or not.

5km restrictions won’t solve those issues

It's spreading between everyone Fintan, mostly young people.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I went to restaurants and pubs serving food. I also went shopping. At all times, the protocols left me feeling safe. I didn't go to any house parties though.

I'm sure you did feel safe. I'd imagine that most people who end up with a positive swab would say they had been safe if they were asked prior to developing symptoms. I doubt the majority of people go out with the intention to catch Covid.

I see UK stepping in to help us, we can't help ourselves that's for sure. Where is EU when you want them??? No where .

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well, probably not even 4000 under 65's would die of COVID even if everyone in Ireland got it.
I really don't get the obsession with under 65 deaths, nobody has said they are at risk and they are not the ones to be worrying about. Some people overemphasize the risk to younger folk in order to I don't know deceive or scare people into thinking it's scarier than it is, and likewise people on the other side regularly hit us with these figures as if they've blown open some horrendous scandal we are completely oblivious to , meaning they think anyone over 65 is completely expandable.

There are enough people in society who are within this at risk group that COVID becomes a threat to major loss of life and by now I would have thought vast vast majority of people following restrictions are not doing it necessarily for their own health but that of older family and friends and people in the community.

I was just reply to the OP who read on reddit that nobody under 65 has died in Ireland from Covid in the past 6 months.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I see UK stepping in to help us, we can't help ourselves that's for sure. Where is EU when you want them??? No where .

What the hell are you talking about?
UK stepping in to help what exactly?
We can't help ourselves with what?
We are the EU, the EU is us ffs, they are not some mystical thing floating in the clouds above brussels ffs.

Statement from 1st Dec to 1st Jan:
Hospitalisations
0 to 4 is +4
5 to 14 is +13
15 to 24 is +53
25 to 34 is +69
35 to 44 is +55
45 to 54 is +88
55 to 64 is +107
65 to 74 is +138
75 to 84 is +167
85+ has an error. It says 8,121 which would be 7,100ish too many. Maybe 812 which is a difference of 108. 85+ has 108 of a difference so it's probably that.

Two unknown age as well.

That's a stark reminder that no matter what age you are, you should be insulating yourself as best you can, because you don't know what outcome this will have for you.