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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4532
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    If this variance between swabs and reported cases continues there is no point in reporting case numbers as they are completely inaccurate. Add that to the fact that close contacts are no longer being counted and you may as well completely ignore the case numbers


  • #4533
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    ixoy wrote: »
    Is there any reason their IT system can't cope with 3000+ cases and have they plans to rectify it?

    Depends what the issue is? We don't know what they're doing in the processing of them. If it's just a case where the only check is that the test id is for a unique patient, then I fail to see they can't process more than 1600 a day.

    However, its also the HSE so there might be no system and one guy in an office going through a bunch of paper copies of tests manually


  • #4534
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Whose going to stop your ‘Ma’ from leaving the house? The advice last March was to cocoon but a bit of cop on entered the narrative when they realised how damaging that advice was .

    I think it will be advised .This is far worse than last March


  • #4535
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭celt262


    messin doorman wrote: »
    I think people should be allowed to do what they think is best for their family and lives and make their own assessment of risk. Sorry if you think that’s ****.

    Not when it affects others.


  • #4536
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    AdamD wrote: »
    I'd be shocked if we ever see anything for just two weeks, due to the lag in how long it takes for restrictions to affect figures.The government absolutely doesn't have it in them to remove restrictions only days after it trends downwards. Similarly we're likely to see additional restrictions added long before they have any idea whether the current ones have done anything. All of this makes it very very muddled as to what causes/caused numbers to reduce

    It’s that balance isn’t it. If they go with harsher restrictions now they’ll be accused of not letting current ones work, yet if they wait and it really goes t1ts up, they’ll be accused of dithering. Hindsight is great for plebs like us on boards, but I wouldn’t envy being in govt right now.


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  • #4537
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    brookers wrote: »
    Alcohol plays a huge part in all of this, Irish people cant control themselves with drink, apart from covid it is one of the biggest problems we have. When people have loads of drinks, they shout, spit, start hugging each other and generally cant control themselves. Have you ever been in tesco the night of the late late toy show, the amount of slabs being carried out so that the mammies and daddies can drink themselves silly, of course anybody who says this is called a granny, kill joy and sure must be fierce boing altogether.

    Irish people are not tactile like our Southern European neighbours, we also don’t even feature in the top ten of alcohol consumption per head of population. Posts such as yours I believe are designed for only one purpose.


  • #4538
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    messin doorman wrote: »
    I think people should be allowed to do what they think is best for their family and lives and make their own assessment of risk. Sorry if you think that’s ****.

    That's like saying I should be allowed kill everyone that comes within a few metres of me while shopping.

    I don't know what those people have been doing and they threaten my health and the health of my family.


  • #4539
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    I'm not a fan of lockdown, I'm fairly opposed to a lot of previous measures tbh. But they need to remove click and collect, close everything non-essential, do remote learning or close schools and close construction for this lockdown to have any chance of succeeding.


    Schools are fine IF community transmission is low. Community transmission is through the feckin' roof


  • #4540
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    messin doorman wrote: »
    I think people should be allowed to do what they think is best for their family and lives and make their own assessment of risk. Sorry if you think that’s ****.

    No they shouldnt. Too much at stake

    That causes spread & then people lose their lives,jobs & cant do anything at all now with a very strict lockdown coming now


  • #4541
    Crocodile Booze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    messin doorman wrote: »
    I think people should be allowed to do what they think is best for their family and lives and make their own assessment of risk. Sorry if you think that’s ****.

    Sociology in action. Beautiful.


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  • #4542
    pm1977x
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭pm1977x


    messin doorman wrote: »
    I think that’s a load of rubbish. If you have adopted a stragetgy of dealing with covid that assumes unrealistic levels of compliance then that’s on the decision makers. Don’t follow a strategy that’s doomed to fail. It’s like building a house that can’t withstand a gust of wind, then blaming the wind. We’ve upended our lives since March. We had cases down so low during the summer. At that stage HSE should be contact tracing to ensure things don’t go bananas. But they made a balls of it. Blaming the public is just to get political coverage (ie if the public didn’t comply then it’s not the fault of the govt, NPHET etc). The Public have done their very best. You’ll never get 100per cent compliance and you shouldn’t expect it. HSE made a bags of it.


    Sure, there's plenty of blame to be spread all over but while many did their best may didn't give a flying f for any of the guidelines or restrictions yet are the first to complain and scratch their heads as to why cases are sky rocketing, personal responsibility is often thin on the ground, much easier to blame the HSE and the govt while chewing the fat at a house party or down the local shebeen, or celebrating the cup win or welcoming multiple family members over for Xmas dinner because 'the govt messed up so why shouldn't I see my 3rd cousin twice removed like I normally do'.



    I don't expect 100% compliance but I expect people to at least do the minimum and not look for someone else to blame when the inevitable lockdown hits.


  • #4543
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    messin doorman wrote: »
    Let the HSE mandarins actually do a bit of work now.

    Either vaccinate very quickly or deal with the icu surge. Public and the economy have done their bit and are doing so again. So let them get themselves out of this. What a sham.

    They couldn't even get nurses to take the flu vaccine over the years.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2017/0511/874260-vaccinations-health-committee/

    He told RTÉ's Today with Sean O'Rourke that there is a firmly-held view among midwives and nurses that they do not wish to avail of the vaccines.


  • #4544
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    How many cases until they entertain the idea of some sort of border control and mandatory quarantine? They are burying their heads in the sand big time here. Its time for covid 0 or as close to it as possible as nothing else will work.

    The vaccines are coming.


  • #4545
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    wadacrack wrote: »
    I think it will be advised .This is far worse than last March

    Advice is just that, no one will force your Mum to stay confined to her home. That will be entirely be her own decision, one I suggest you don’t try to influence. The benefit of exercise and fresh air cannot be over stated.
    It’s not actually worse than last March, we know far more than we did last March .


  • #4546
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    messin doorman wrote: »
    I think people should be allowed to do what they think is best for their family and lives and make their own assessment of risk. Sorry if you think that’s ****.

    Of course you can do what you want.

    Just don't be complaining when we are still in some sort of lock down in April and more businesses go to the wall not to mention deaths and long term effects of Covid.

    Free country like.


  • #4547
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Even if we paid 200 euros per vaccine(100 euros for eqch shot) that less than a billion.

    We are foing to spent billions on future lockdowns.

    We arent even going to get enough vaccines till next Nov.

    It wouldn’t matter what we paid or offered to pay. Supply is the problem, and a doses are committed to other countries. Our size simply doesn’t carry any weight. Do we even have an appropriate vaccine approval system here ? (I’ve no idea).


  • #4548
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    celt262 wrote: »
    Not when it affects others.

    Called freedom. Those other people have the same freedom.


  • #4549
    Thespoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Thespoofer


    quartz1 wrote: »
    Total Mess up by Governemnt ...test and trace overran ....spent the last six months pandering to lobby people with half hearted measures.....
    NPHET asked them not to open Hospitality and Homes but they knew better..... I am not blaming any particular party because even the opposition were playing politics .

    And for me the delay in getting those vaccines out of the boxes and into peoples arms right away showed the lack of urgency.

    Overall the 3-4 days delay may not have made a huge difference but they need to take every advantage no matter how small it is.


  • #4550
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    New varient only found in 10% of cases has it not?

    10% of the cases they have analysed for the new strain

    not the same thing.


  • #4551
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Advice is just that, no one will force your Mum to stay confined to her home. That will be entirely be her own decision, one I suggest you don’t try to influence. The benefit of exercise and fresh air cannot be over stated.
    It’s not actually worse than last March, we know far more than we did last March .

    Its possible we had these sort of numbers in March but testing was lacking then


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  • #4552
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    Public sector is mad, they never upgrade their IT systems until the very last minute because the workers can get away with it with indept managers.

    They pay high salaries to people who do absolutely feck all and then outsource when needed to at the last minute.

    The day to day operations in the public sector is on a shoestring, most of their equipment is outdated, falling apart or under severe congestion because everyone needs to use it.
    I wouldn't criticise the workers until you've seen the kind of conditions they have to put up with. Successive governments simply don't fund our public service to achieve anything more than the bare minimum output at an inefficient rate.


  • #4553
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    messin doorman wrote: »
    I think people should be allowed to do what they think is best for their family and lives and make their own assessment of risk. Sorry if you think that’s ****.

    Would you give up your hospital bed so long as you can do anything you want?


  • #4554
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Of course you can do what you want.

    Just don't be complaining when we are still in some sort of lock down in April and more businesses go to the wall not to mention deaths and long term effects of Covid.

    Free country like.

    There’s no way we wouldn’t have been in some sort of lockdown anyway come April. We aren’t going to hit the critical mass of people vaccinated until at least summer so there’ll always be restrictions of some kind.


  • #4555
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Of course you can do what you want.

    Just don't be complaining when we are still in some sort of lock down in April and more businesses go to the wall not to mention deaths and long term effects of Covid.

    Free country like.


    A lot of the old, vulnerable and nursing homes will be vaccinated by April so stop posting hysterical mouth foaming bolloxogy.


  • #4556
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Stheno wrote: »
    Its possible we had these sort of numbers in March but testing was lacking then

    Course it’s possible, but last March we had very little knowledge how to deal with what we were facing.


  • #4557
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Of course you can do what you want.

    Just don't be complaining when we are still in some sort of lock down in April and more businesses go to the wall not to mention deaths and long term effects of Covid.

    Free country like.

    I didn’t say do what you want. I said make your own assessment of risk. Seems like a very reasonable proposition. I mean the only other entity that can asses risk is the government and look at the fine job they’ve done.

    With respect, your logic of “we’ll be in a lockdown in April” is unsustainable. It amounts to saying “don’t exercise your own judgment and freedom because if you do, you won’t be able to exercise your freedom in April”. It’s circular.


  • #4558
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Would you give up your hospital bed so long as you can do anything you want?

    No way will you be able to get a hospital bed, they will be overran this time


  • #4559
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    ixoy wrote: »
    Is there any reason their IT system can't cope with 3000+ cases and have they plans to rectify it?

    It was mentioned that the systems being used are old ones designed many years back for tracking other things such as the flu, measles, etc that were then just used for Covid and were never designed to cope with this kind of volume.


  • #4560
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    We will have 1/2 more lockdowns at the rates things are going before vaccines take effect

    Is that a fact from evidence you can back up or just your opinion?


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  • #4561
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    A lot of the old, vulnerable and nursing homes will be vaccinated by April so stop posting hysterical mouth foaming bolloxogy.

    With respect to the earlier poster above, in my experience the only people who criticsise us for wanting our freedom back are people who are civil servants or on the dole and are immune to the damage of the policies being promulgated


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