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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #3902
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Benimar wrote: »
    Well, the IT system, for all its faults, isn’t going around having 30+ close contacts.

    The IT system should have been upgraded

    They've had ten months


  • #3903
    gilmour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭gilmour


    Stheno wrote: »
    But its the publics fault at there is too much infection according to Tony

    I'm not speaking for Holohan, but as hard as it is to take, this is the publics fault. This is the result of "We need our Christmas" and "i need to get home for Christmas" during a global pandemic. Its not just the virus, it is human behaviour that has led us to where we currently stand.


  • #3904
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    gilmour wrote: »
    I'm not speaking for Holohan, but as hard as it is to take, this is the publics fault. This is the result of "We need our Christmas" and "i need to get home for Christmas" during a global pandemic. Its not just the virus, it is human behaviour that has led us to where we currently stand.

    I don't disagree that too much socialising has played a key part here

    However there is plenty of fault to lay at the HSEs doorstep this lack of capacity in an IT system is just another


  • #3905
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Stheno wrote: »
    The IT system should have been upgraded

    They've had ten months

    No argument there. Doesn’t take from the fact that even if it had been, our infection levels would be the same.

    That’s down to individual behaviours, not a crap IT system.


  • #3906
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    I've been living in Ireland for 14 years, and in simplistic view of things seems to me cops are only good to be policing roads here. I know it's not that simple, but... Anyway, in our current situation they might just stay at home, cuz checkpoints won't make any difference. There could be checkpoints at the border and turning nonessential travelers back..

    They have been truly useless during the pandemic. Besides the checkpoints, and dropping the elderly up some shopping, they have done nothing! zilch!

    No enforcement in pubs or on masks. Cited no legislation to act on gatherings and then refused it when offered.


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  • #3907
    Toodles_27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Toodles_27


    MaryHannah wrote: »
    Anyone any idea how long results are taking at the moment? I’m a healthcare worker who got a test but found it very quiet. In and out so quickly, difficult to believe the testing system was in collapse. Made me wonder if a lot of people still aren’t showing up for appointments.

    Would love to know how long results are currently taking too.
    Tested yesterday at noon and there was nobody at the testing centre. 6 bays when I drove in, had my choice of bays. Another car pulling in behind me just as I was pulling out.


  • #3908
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Any word yet on Cheltenham?


  • #3909
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭Polar101


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    The system is old but that didn’t dawn on anyone since March or April , or indeed in June or September

    The excel sheet is full again There are limits to IT capacity, but it shouldn't get overloaded like this.


  • #3910
    gilmour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭gilmour


    Stheno wrote: »
    I don't disagree that too much socialising has played a key part here

    However there is plenty of fault to lay at the HSEs doorstep this lack of capacity in an IT system is just another


    Unfortunately there is only so much the HSE, NPHET or indeed the government can do to guide a population, the vital part in all of this is how the population reacts to the guidelines, and blaming the system for not being able to handle the complete "sure **** it" attitude that has happened in so much of our society since early December is not fair. The be all and end all of blame lies with the population.


  • #3911
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Stheno wrote: »
    The IT system should have been upgraded

    They've had ten months

    This is the HSE we are talking about - we have had every political party in government (except for SF) since the HSE was founded, and no one has been able to fix the issue.

    If the HSE was a private company there would be large scale redundancies and would be fixed within 5 years max. But how many PS workers ever get made redundant?

    The people of Ireland have had 10 months to listen to the messages and understand Covid, but how many millions ignored those messages over xmas and just did whatever the fcuk they wanted to cause this mess now????

    Blame the government, blame the IT, blame the HSE, blame everyone except society for being in the mess that we are in. It's what we do best.


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  • #3912
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    The swabs are already processed. Positive swabs have already been through the lab and results released. Those patients would also be contacted in a timely manner to maintain the quick turnaround time.

    Where the "backlog" comes in is the reporting of cases by the HPSC to the DOH. Maybe they are struggling to authorise and verify all these cases. Clerical staff likely not working 24/7 or maybe not enough of them to keep up with the service.


    ....


  • #3913
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Not testing close contacts could be an absolute disaster move.

    If one of the people I live with were a close contact, they'd restrict their movements. If they asymptomatically have covid, they wouldn't know due to no test.

    I wouldn't be recommended to isolate because they are the close contact, not me. If they have it with no symptoms, I'm potentially carrying it into 200+ people a day in work.



    I'd imagine it's a similarly worrying situation for many who live with others. Close contact isolates, but there's no isolation pay for the people who live with them, so those people will continue to work, and potentially spread the virus, despite technically not being a close contact.


  • #3914
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Any word yet on Cheltenham?

    At rate UK are vaccinating, they'll have 60yr+ done by mid-March

    We are a laughing stock in that regard


  • #3915
    MaryHannah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭MaryHannah


    Anyone any idea how long results are taking at the moment? I’m a healthcare worker who got a test but found it very quiet. In and out so quickly, difficult to believe the testing system was in collapse. Made me wonder if a lot of people still aren’t showing up for appointments.


  • #3916
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    MaryHannah wrote: »
    Anyone any idea how long results are taking at the moment? I’m a healthcare worker who got a test but found it very quiet. In and out so quickly, difficult to believe the testing system was in collapse. Made me wonder if a lot of people still aren’t showing up for appointments.

    20 -30 hours according to reports on here


  • #3917
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    One thing I’ve learned about humanity in 2020 is that we are fcuked as a species if/when something a lot more fatal comes along.

    That’s a fact.


  • #3918
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    I really hope the vaccination programme doesn't turn into a sh1t show by the HSE over the next few weeks.

    I think it's fair to say the sanity of a lot of people will go to pieces if they make a balls of it.


  • #3919
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,613 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    The US is delaying the Astrazeneca vaccine until April. Some flags flying regarding that one it seems.


  • #3920
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    If one of the people I live with were a close contact, they'd restrict their movements. If they asymptomatically have covid, they wouldn't know due to no test.

    I wouldn't be recommended to isolate because they are the close contact, not me. If they have it with no symptoms, I'm potentially carrying it into 200+ people a day in work.

    I'd imagine it's a similarly worrying situation for many who live with others. Close contact isolates, but there's no isolation pay for the people who live with them, so those people will continue to work, and potentially spread the virus, despite technically not being a close contact.
    This is correct, however we are in a mitigation phase now. If we say that on average about one in 8 close contacts actually develops the virus (without or with symptoms), then having close contacts restrict their movements, will eventually yield a reduction in growth.

    What will be interesting over the coming days is the change in numbers as we move to only test people with symptoms and ignore close contacts completely.

    It means that case/swab numbers are nearly meaningless for the next week or so until we establish a new baseline. At least for the purposes of determining the current rate of virus spread.


  • #3921
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,401 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I went for a nap this afternoon, so only catching up now. Disaster.

    Going to have some wine and hopefully sleep some more.

    Stay safe. Stay at home.


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  • #3922
    [Deleted User]
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    Duke of Url wrote: »
    One thing I’ve learned about humanity in 2020 is that we are fcuked as a species if/when something a lot more fatal comes along.

    That’s a fact.

    That's not a fact. If this were more fatal, people would be more afraid of it and act accordingly. Rightly or wrongly, its pretty difficult to get an entire population to stop socialising for a long period of time when the virus is unlikely to kill the vast vast majority of them. I'm sure ill be abused for saying that. I'm not downplaying it, but its human nature - if the threat were more serious to different age groups they'd behave differently.


  • #3923
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    Not testing close contacts could be an absolute disaster move.

    If one of the people I live with were a close contact, they'd restrict their movements. If they asymptomatically have covid, they wouldn't know due to no test.

    I wouldn't be recommended to isolate because they are the close contact, not me. If they have it with no symptoms, I'm potentially carrying it into 200+ people a day in work.


    I'd imagine it's a similarly worrying situation for many who live with others. Close contact isolates, but there's no isolation pay for the people who live with them, so those people will continue to work, and potentially spread the virus, despite technically not being a close contact.

    But when you are at work, are you not wearing protective gear, like a mask, are you not washing your hands reguarely?


  • #3924
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    One thing I’ve learned about humanity in 2020 is that we are fcuked as a species if/when something a lot more fatal comes along.

    That’s a fact.

    Maybe Western civilisation yeah for sure but what places like Vietnam have shown is the collective is stronger than the self and they'll cope fine.

    I mean people are still moaning about gyms closing here ffs.


  • #3925
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Benimar wrote: »
    Well, the IT system, for all its faults, isn’t going around having 30+ close contacts.

    If it had all its faults it should have been fixed . They had all bloody summer


  • #3926
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Happy New Year to all. Thanks to those who provide useful information and updates to this thread. Here’s hoping we’re not still here posting in NYE 2021.


  • #3927
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I really hope the vaccination programme doesn't turn into a sh1t show by the HSE over the next few weeks.

    I think it's fair to say the sanity of a lot of people will go to pieces if they make a balls of it.

    If they get the nursing homes and healthcare workers done by the end of February that would be a great achievement


  • #3928
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I really hope the vaccination programme doesn't turn into a sh1t show by the HSE over the next few weeks.

    I think it's fair to say the sanity of a lot of people will go to pieces if they make a balls of it.

    The HSE management seem to be reactive and don’t understand the concept of being proactive.

    The idea of having a plan seems to be lost on them.


  • #3929
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    But when you are at work, are you not wearing protective gear, like a mask, are you not washing your hands reguarely?

    Of course I am, but a mask isn't foolproof, nor is washing hands, and I can't socially distance the majority of the time.


  • #3930
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    One thing I’ve learned about humanity in 2020 is that we are fcuked as a species if/when something a lot more fatal comes along.

    That’s a fact.

    Fact is that if something more fatal came along that had say 10% mortality rate at any age, people would not be out socialising or be setting off fireworks tonight.

    People would not care if there were sales in town, or that Karen came home from Oz and wants to meet, people would stay in doors and do everything they had to, not to catch said virus.


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  • #3931
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    seamus wrote: »
    This is correct, however we are in a mitigation phase now. If we say that on average about one in 8 close contacts actually develops the virus (without or with symptoms), then having close contacts restrict their movements, will eventually yield a reduction in growth.

    What will be interesting over the coming days is the change in numbers as we move to only test people with symptoms and ignore close contacts completely.

    It means that case/swab numbers are nearly meaningless for the next week or so until we establish a new baseline. At least for the purposes of determining the current rate of virus spread.

    Cheers for that, I appreciate the explanation of the mitigation phase idea. I obviously wasn't paying enough attention earlier. :)


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