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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #3872
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Good point. I suspect no they wouldn't have been as free and easy. The level of adherence to the restrictions is related to people's perception of risk, and right now until recently anyway, that was quite low in terms of % op population actually contracting covid, and even lower again then, suffering or dying from it.

    In which case you can't blame the messages that were being given by health, government, and it's ultimately as you say individuals seeing the risk to themselves and not given a sh!t about anyone else, or even the potential impact to the HSE if they do get the virus and end up in hospitals.


  • #3873
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Seeing photos of Tony etc. at the briefing today, I did wonder with them saying how out of control the whole thing has gone, and that you shouldn't have anyone mixing, why they couldn't have all issued a statement and FAQ and allow journos to post questions online or whatever.

    Seems odd having a bunch of journos, Tony, politicians and sign language people all, arguably, unnecessarily in a room together in a pandemic that ais out of control.


  • #3874
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    ....we’re just relying on people’s sense of obligation to society / family and friends.

    tenor.gif


  • #3875
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Good point. I suspect no they wouldn't have been as free and easy. The level of adherence to the restrictions is related to people's perception of risk, and right now until recently anyway, that was quite low in terms of % op population actually contracting covid, and even lower again then, suffering or dying from it.

    Alot of it is t do with how empathetic a person is. Examples of this on this thread. That and failing to look at this from a long term perspective. Younger people who have had to deal with no real adversity had a illogical bias of what will happen. I am attending third level and in a pod of 5 . All 4 thought it would be back to normal in January as early as late November. They are young and nice people tbf but just can't grasp what's happening in a pandemic.


  • #3876
    Widescreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    Fair comment, rushed that post a little bit as I was working.

    However, unfortunately I think the situation is so bad here now that very restrictive measures are needed immediately to get this virus back under control, the alternative doesn't bear thinking about. Remember Italy. It will be like that here if the government don't do as they are advised by NEPHET for a change. They will just have to pay us again for a couple of months to avoid the scale of death that could easily happen.

    I mean a serious lockdown which may force companies to have the bare minimum on their sites, all shops shut except supermarkets, and I include shutting the likes of mobile phone shops and other so called "essential shops", pubs should not sell takeaway pints and we should possibly have a curfew at night from 8 - 6 am. It is only the likes of this will stop the spread.

    And as for the vaccine, who knows when that will be rolled out properly! A joke so far.


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  • #3877
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1187117/

    Back to this again?

    So enforcement comes as far as checkpoints?

    Yeah I know, sorry, just pointless.

    I don't give a damn at the end, doing my bit since march. Pubs doesn't bother me. Neighbors far away to see what they do etc. Mask on always. I have no problems whatsoever to follow guidelines, doesn't matter what. But articles like this piss3s me off, cops should be walking streets not sitting at pointless checkpoints.


  • #3878
    Widescreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    Mimon wrote: »
    I am generally a supporter of the restrictions but your thought process here is to simple and lacks subtlety.

    Have you taken into account the need to keep the economy functioning in terms of long term outcomes for the populations health? Have you thought about the fact that in outdoor spaces with social distancing the risk is non existent so how would 2km help?

    Fair comment, rushed that post a little bit as I was working.

    However, unfortunately I think the situation is so bad here now that very restrictive measures are needed immediately to get this virus back under control, the alternative doesn't bear thinking about. Remember Italy. It will be like that here if the government don't do as they are advised by NEPHET for a change. They will just have to pay us again for a couple of months to avoid the scale of death that could easily happen.

    I mean a serious lockdown which may force companies to have the bare minimum on their sites, all shops shut except supermarkets, and I include shutting the likes of mobile phone shops and other so called "essential shops", pubs should not sell takeaway pints and we should possibly have a curfew at night from 8 - 6 am. It is only the likes of this will stop the spread.

    And as for the vaccine, who knows when that will be rolled out properly! A joke so far.


  • #3879
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Very sorry, I'm sure this has been asked already, but what does this mean:
    Today's Department of Health briefing also heard that an additional 4,000 cases of the virus are in the system yet to be formally reported.

    Does this mean that the 4,000 people who have tested positive haven't yet been told their result yet?


  • #3880
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Very sorry, I'm sure this has been asked already, but what does this mean:



    Does this mean that the 4,000 people who have tested positive haven't yet been told their result yet?
    No they got their result

    After positive tests there is work done to identify duplicates etc to make sure figures are accurate in the system

    Thats not been updated as the system can't process that volume of records

    Its an IT issue


  • #3881
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1187117/

    Back to this again?

    So enforcement comes as far as checkpoints?

    Yeah I know, sorry, just pointless.

    I don't give a damn at the end, doing my bit since march. Pubs doesn't bother me. Neighbors far away to see what they do etc. Mask on always. I have no problems whatsoever to follow guidelines, doesn't matter what. But articles like this piss3s me off, cops should be walking streets not sitting at pointless checkpoints.

    So long as they are actually mobile and not sitting on the damn motorways causing commuter chaos


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  • #3882
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Stheno wrote: »
    No they got their result

    After positive tests there is work done to identify duplicates etc to make sure figures are accurate in the system

    Thats not been updated as the system can't process that volume of records

    Its an IT issue

    Ah ok. I was worried for a second that we had thousands of close contacts who didn't know they were close contacts running about the place.


  • #3883
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Very sorry, I'm sure this has been asked already, but what does this mean:



    Does this mean that the 4,000 people who have tested positive haven't yet been told their result yet?

    4,000 additional cases are to be added in the next few days. The system can't handle this level of infection


  • #3884
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Ah ok. I was worried for a second that we had thousands of close contacts who didn't know they were close contacts running about the place.

    But they shouldn't be running around the place if they are waiting on results anyway!!!!!!!


  • #3885
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Ah ok. I was worried for a second that we had thousands of close contacts who didn't know they were close contacts running about the place.

    Well we probably do as contact tracing has collapsed and there is no more testing of close contacts

    Its up to those who test positive to tell their close contacts who should then isolate for 14 da ys


  • #3886
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Ah ok. I was worried for a second that we had thousands of close contacts who didn't know they were close contacts running about the place.

    We do have thousands of close contacts who don't know they were close contacts running about the place.


  • #3887
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    So long as they are actually mobile and not sitting on the damn motorways causing commuter chaos

    I've been living in Ireland for 14 years, and in simplistic view of things seems to me cops are only good to be policing roads here. I know it's not that simple, but... Anyway, in our current situation they might just stay at home, cuz checkpoints won't make any difference. There could be checkpoints at the border and turning nonessential travelers back..


  • #3888
    Happy4all
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    wadacrack wrote: »
    4,000 additional cases are to be added in the next few days. The system can't handle this level of infection

    The results of which could be positive or negative?


  • #3889
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    people have to stick to the rules. Things were always going to get worse.

    But the goverment not listening to NPHET is a disgrace,

    They dont learn from their mistakes time & time again.


  • #3890
    MaryHannah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭MaryHannah


    Anyone any idea how long results are taking at the moment? I’m a healthcare worker who got a test but found it very quiet. In and out so quickly, difficult to believe the testing system was in collapse. Made me wonder if a lot of people still aren’t showing up for appointments.


  • #3891
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Happy4all wrote: »
    The results of which could be positive or negative?

    It's positive swabs afaik


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  • #3892
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    I've been living in Ireland for 14 years, and in simplistic view of things seems to me cops are only good to be policing roads here. I know it's not that simple, but... Anyway, in our current situation they might just stay at home, cuz checkpoints won't make any difference. There could be checkpoints at the border and turning nonessential travelers back..

    To be fair the crime levels compared to many other countries would indicate that in terms of normal policing they generally do a good job and did a pretty exceptional job at times when there was a war on this island - although not perfect by any means.


  • #3893
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Happy4all wrote: »
    The results of which could be positive or negative?

    They are all positive. Some (about 5-10%) may be duplicates.


  • #3894
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Does modelling factor in projected non-compliance, or even just "taking the piss" within regulations? Do they think, "Okay, it's December so people won't behave too well so let's factor that in" or do they believe that people listen to their advice more than they clearly actually have?


  • #3895
    Harpon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭Harpon


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Seeing photos of Tony etc. at the briefing today, I did wonder with them saying how out of control the whole thing has gone, and that you shouldn't have anyone mixing, why they couldn't have all issued a statement and FAQ and allow journos to post questions online or whatever.

    Seems odd having a bunch of journos, Tony, politicians and sign language people all, arguably, unnecessarily in a room together in a pandemic that ais out of control.

    Yep it’s a case of do as I say not as I do when it comes to Holohan. Absolutely no need to be meeting up every day and forcing his staff and journalists/tv crews to make unnecessary journeys, extremely reckless of him. As you say there should be a statement issued each day, or if he really must have his face on tv every day then do a zoom call with the journalists.


  • #3896
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    The system is old but that didn’t dawn on anyone since March or April , or indeed in June or September


  • #3897
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Widescreen wrote: »
    Fair comment, rushed that post a little bit as I was working.

    However, unfortunately I think the situation is so bad here now that very restrictive measures are needed immediately to get this virus back under control, the alternative doesn't bear thinking about. Remember Italy. It will be like that here if the government don't do as they are advised by NEPHET for a change. They will just have to pay us again for a couple of months to avoid the scale of death that could easily happen.

    I mean a serious lockdown which may force companies to have the bare minimum on their sites, all shops shut except supermarkets, and I include shutting the likes of mobile phone shops and other so called "essential shops", pubs should not sell takeaway pints and we should possibly have a curfew at night from 8 - 6 am. It is only the likes of this will stop the spread.

    And as for the vaccine, who knows when that will be rolled out properly! A joke so far.

    if you dropped your phone in the toilet later on i suspect you'd change your tune about mobile phone shops being inessential. There's really no need to go crazy with shutting places down - once the genuinely non-essential places close and people's mentality shifts (is it actually worth going into town today when hardly anything is open?) it becomes a bit of a non-factor. No-one is standing in a queue in Vodafone for the fun of it.


  • #3898
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    The system is old but that didn’t dawn on anyone since March or April , or indeed in June or September

    But its the publics fault at there is too much infection according to Tony


  • #3899
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    MD1990 wrote: »
    people have to stick to the rules. Things were always going to get worse.

    But the goverment not listening to NPHET is a disgrace,

    They dont learn from their mistakes time & time again.

    It seems that any major announcement this government has had to make since coming into power last summer always involves a **** up. These announcement are normally followed by multiple interpretations and questioning, further clarifications and explanation, hiring of pr people and if left to their own devices they don't listen to anyone, leak left right and centre and discuss trampolines.

    Disaster


  • #3900
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    We do have thousands of close contacts who don't know they were close contacts running about the place.

    But we're not suppose to be running around either, we are all suppose to be limited our contacts, wearing masks, washing hands etc.


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  • #3901
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Stheno wrote: »
    But its the publics fault at there is too much infection according to Tony

    Well, the IT system, for all its faults, isn’t going around having 30+ close contacts.


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