Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

speckle · 30-12-2020 11:05PM

cityboyjim wrote: »

New Years Eve Rural Ireland .Local Bar .11-45 .Place mad .Home from Canada .Could you think of a better place to be with your family .

Normally we would all be outside at that time at rhe crossroads dancing to fiddles and counting down the seconds. An early happy and healthy new year to you.

hynesie08 · 30-12-2020 11:29PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What should they have done?

You’re the VFI and the government tells you that they don’t consider the pubs an essential business. They are high on the list of business to close and low on the list of business to reopen. What would you do better than the VFI?

So why do they actually exist?

Aviva threatened to import guinness from the UK, got a discounted rate, vfi shrugged their shoulders.

Wetherspoons came in, got irish beers cheaper than vfi members (can't use quantity as an excuse in ireland), vfi shrug their shoulders.

Covid happens, pubs spend thousands of euros on a reopening they aren't allowed because their lobby group has absolutely no power whatsoever......

So why would anybody renew their membership with them next year?

The lva are even worse.....

If they hadn't let pubs open in July, the fitzgerald bars and Berlin would have used their resteraunt license and opened. All the restrictions were in spite of them, not because of them.

Instead of asking what they could have done better, tell me what they actually did?

El_Duderino 09 · 30-12-2020 11:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I told you what I believe. There is no need for you to make a personal slight against my integrity.

I think it’s interesting to see how far from reality, people are willing to go to make their pro-pub points on this topic.

Pubs are closed, unfortunately, but for solid reasons.

oldtimeyfella · 30-12-2020 11:41PM

cityboyjim wrote: »

New Years Eve Rural Ireland .Local Bar .11-45 .Place mad .Home from Canada .Could you think of a better place to be with your family .

I'd probably be in bed for at least an hour at that stage because i'm not 19 any more.

My family will still be there in the morning or any other day for that matter because i didn't run away overseas to join the circus.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-12-2020 11:43PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So why do they actually exist?

Aviva threatened to import guinness from the UK, got a discounted rate, vfi shrugged their shoulders.

Wetherspoons came in, got irish beers cheaper than vfi members (can't use quantity as an excuse in ireland), vfi shrug their shoulders.

Covid happens, pubs spend thousands of euros on a reopening they aren't allowed because their lobby group has absolutely no power whatsoever......

So why would anybody renew their membership with them next year?

The lva are even worse.....

If they hadn't let pubs open in July, the fitzgerald bars and Berlin would have used their resteraunt license and opened. All the restrictions were in spite of them, not because of them.

Instead of asking what they could have done better, tell me what they actually did?

Ok. And what’s the answer to the question I asked? What should they have done?

They represent an industry that is both non-essential and a great environment to spread covid. What should they have done differently?

El_Duderino 09 · 30-12-2020 11:53PM

Drifter50 wrote: »

I`m not sure why you continually choose to attack posters on this thread as to their views. This is a debating thread, if you don`t like the opposing viewpoint then so be it but I trust you are not insulting my intelligence in your comment above. Calling out someone by suggesting they are not very bright is not necessary. Just leave it and move on

It depends, I think someone who espouses 5G conspiracy, anti vaccine conspiracy, or the Irish people and government Puritan anti alcohol conspiracy ( and lots of other conspiracy theories like Qanon), are not very bright. Do you subscribe to any of those theories? You don’t have to answer if the answer would be embarrassing.

hynesie08 · 30-12-2020 11:55PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. And what’s the answer to the question I asked? What should they have done?

They represent an industry that is both non-essential and a great environment to spread covid. What should they have done differently?

In order to do something differently, they would have had to do something first.

31-12-2020 12:20AM

I miss sitting in coffee shops. Much like pubs they provided an escape for me when times were tough. Either alone with my book or in the company of friends. Certainly you won't get a crowd standing around a cafè or a few lines deep trying to order. Lots of people spend time in them all the same. Groups meeting up, friends and family out for a day, mothers having a rest with their kids, first dates, students, all of life.

So many are angry and frustrated and afraid. It's not really about pubs reopening or which business is more or less safe. Instead those things symbolise freedom and risk. It's Covid that drives us apart and stops us from getting along. I remind myself that we all want the same thing and it is finally in sight.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-12-2020 12:22AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

In order to do something differently, they would have had to do something first.

Ok. So you’ve stated that they’re dreadful form not doing things differently and offered no ideas about what they should have done differently.

If you can think of anything they ought to have done, be sure to let us know. In the meantime the notion that you know better, can be easily dismissed.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-12-2020 12:23AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I miss sitting in coffee shops. Much like pubs they provided an escape for me when times were tough. Either alone with my book or in the company of friends. Certainly you won't get a crowd standing around a cafè or a few lines deep trying to order. Lots of people spend time in them all the same. Groups meeting up, friends and family out for a day, mothers having a rest with their kids, first dates, students, all of life.

So many are angry and frustrated and afraid. It's not really about pubs reopening or which business is more or less safe. Instead those things symbolise freedom and risk. It's Covid that drives us apart and stops us from getting along. I remind myself that we all want the same thing and it is finally in sight.

So not really comparable to pubs and not really relevant to the discussion?

31-12-2020 12:28AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So not really comparable to pubs and not really relevant to the discussion?

I answered your question with what I believe to be the case. Plenty spend as long in coffee shops as they do in pubs. The environment is different but I'm not so sure a coffee shop is automatically safer 100% of the time.
I've been in both since Covid began and personally felt safest in the pub because of the measures in place.

That's just my experience. You have yours and your viewpoint. At the end of the day we all just have opinions. I don't care enough about them to argue.

rob316 · 31-12-2020 12:33AM

I think get ready for a party on Paddy's Day don't see anything open till then.

Humberto Salazar · 31-12-2020 12:34AM

rob316 wrote: »

I think get ready for a party on Paddy's Day don't see anything open till then.

Paddy's day 2022 certainly.

31-12-2020 12:35AM

rob316 wrote: »

I think get ready for a party on Paddy's Day don't see anything open till then.

I’d start planning for the June bank holiday if I were you.

PTH2009 · 31-12-2020 12:37AM

rob316 wrote: »

I think get ready for a party on Paddy's Day don't see anything open till then.

Yeah it will kick off the 16th March with a nations address by MM who will end it saying 'let's get **** faced' and will down a pint

31-12-2020 12:44AM

rob316 wrote: »

I think get ready for a party on Paddy's Day don't see anything open till then.

I think it will be a while after that before we see the inside of a pub. I'd say the gastro pubs will be shut till Spring.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-12-2020 02:18AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I answered your question with what I believe to be the case. Plenty spend as long in coffee shops as they do in pubs. The environment is different but I'm not so sure a coffee shop is automatically safer 100% of the time.
I've been in both since Covid began and personally felt safest in the pub because of the measures in place.

That's just my experience. You have yours and your viewpoint. At the end of the day we all just have opinions. I don't care enough about them to argue.

Just for clarity, you kept avoiding the question I asked (what people generally do) and instead answered what you personally do. You avoided the question I asked because it wouldn’t suit the argument you’re making although it would be more relevant to to the topic.

No need to ask you again. You’ve decided not to answer he question I’ve asked and you’ve repeated your point that you spend the same time in coffee shops and pubs. I think it’s clear why you’re answering the question I didn’t ask and not answering the question I asked. You mede my point about how you need to sacrifice you honesty to make the case for the pubs right not.

31-12-2020 02:45AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Just for clarity, you kept avoiding the question I asked (what people generally do) and instead answered what you personally do. You avoided the question I asked because it wouldn’t suit the argument you’re making although it would be more relevant to to the topic.

No need to ask you again. You’ve decided not to answer he question I’ve asked and you’ve repeated your point that you spend the same time in coffee shops and pubs. I think it’s clear why you’re answering the question I didn’t ask and not answering the question I asked. You mede my point about how you need to sacrifice you honesty to make the case for the pubs right not.

Wha?? *scratches head*

I think people can spend as long in a coffee shop as they would in a pub.
I don't think there one is more or less dangerous than the other.
They are both places where people congregate and spend time.

I don't know what else to say to you

El_Duderino 09 · 31-12-2020 11:22AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wha?? *scratches head*

I think people can spend as long in a coffee shop as they would in a pub.
I don't think there one is more or less dangerous than the other.
They are both places where people congregate and spend time.

I don't know what else to say to you

Yes you do. People generally spend much longer in pubs than coffee shops. That’s only in dispute for the sake of this discussion, not in real life.

Pubs are better places to spread the virus. Mostly because of the behaviour change that occurs as people get drunk.

You know these two things, but to make your point you need to pretend not to understand them. Don’t worry too much, you’re not alone in pretending not to understand the issue in order to make the points. Lots of posters are doing likewise.

If you acknowledged the reality it would make your point look silly, which it is.

IAMAMORON · 31-12-2020 03:09PM

I think it is important to never underestimate the tenacity of an introverted passive aggressive creep.... who doesn't drink.

It seems there are a lot of them about.

Never trust someone who won't a have a drink with you. Believe.

ShooterSF · 31-12-2020 05:58PM

rob316 wrote: »

I think get ready for a party on Paddy's Day don't see anything open till then.

They might need to reach out the Church to move it again like in '08. This time a few months into the year...

YFlyer · 31-12-2020 06:05PM

Are the pubs at the airports open?

El_Duderino 09 · 31-12-2020 07:46PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Are the pubs at the airports open?

I remember hearing they were open during the last lockdown, so i suppose they’re probably open this time too. There was an article about people buying a cheap plane ticket so they could sit in the airport departures area and drink by and not get the flight.

You’ll always have some people who will do what they can to get around the rules. Didn’t seem like big problem though.

YFlyer · 31-12-2020 08:40PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I remember hearing they were open during the last lockdown, so i suppose they’re probably open this time too. There was an article about people buying a cheap plane ticket so they could sit in the airport departures area and drink by and not get the flight.

You’ll always have some people who will do what they can to get around the rules. Didn’t seem like big problem though.

Like Good Friday back in the door. Pubs in train stations used to be open as well that day.

Dickie10 · 31-12-2020 10:22PM

theres going to be a major standoff when we get vulnerable and frontliners vacciiinated , then the discussion on restrictions will be good to see

aziz · 31-12-2020 10:49PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

theres going to be a major standoff when we get vulnerable and frontliners vacciiinated , then the discussion on restrictions will be good to see

Now there will be no relaxing of any restrictions until everyone gets the jab,
So 2023 should just about do it,just

Neowise · 31-12-2020 10:55PM

aziz wrote: »

Now there will be no relaxing of any restrictions until everyone gets the jab,
So 2023 should just about do it,just

Read this yesterdsay

Head of vaccine task force says by August, anyone who wants vaccine, will have it

source: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/a-momentous-day-annie-lynch-79-first-person-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-in-state-1.4446909

Why 2023, if everybody has been vacinated by august 2021?

aziz · 31-12-2020 10:56PM

Just saying,that the government will probably tear the arse out of it

YFlyer · 31-12-2020 10:56PM

Surely open tonight. It was done for the religious folks for Christmas

kippy · 31-12-2020 10:57PM

aziz wrote: »

Just saying,that the government will probably tear the arse out of it

Why would they do that if they didn't have to?

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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