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ExMachina1000 · 20-12-2020 09:00PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Most likely because the first statement is inaccurate, the second accurate as you already know.

You don't get to decide that

20-12-2020 09:03PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

You don't get to decide that

Still doesn't change the fact that it's correct.

Beasty · 20-12-2020 09:07PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

It was more so the name calling and how its treated.
Ie someone called Biden sleepy = yellow card
Someone called trump racist = no action

But it's all good. It's just the way it is

As I said, this has been done to death in this thread - please read back a few pages

Now everyone, can we move on

Beasty · 20-12-2020 10:21PM

A couple of posts continuing the discussion on "name-calling" deleted

Now as I've already said (twice), please move on

22-12-2020 10:48PM

It's becoming repetitive as hell that certain threads end up breeding grounds for racism. The latest thread on the carrigaline attack conviction has become another breeding ground for it. And the ones engaging in the racism are more often than not, long time posters who have a history of it.

The attack itself was never viewed to be racially motivated outside of the far right across the globe amplifying it into one. And there's an essence of it going on here too tbh.

Gatling · 22-12-2020 10:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

the latest thread on the carrigaline attack conviction

The attack itself was never viewed to be racially motivated

The video evidence proves otherwise

Overheal · 22-12-2020 11:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's becoming repetitive as hell that certain threads end up breeding grounds for racism. The latest thread on the carrigaline attack conviction has become another breeding ground for it. And the ones engaging in the racism are more often than not, long time posters who have a history of it.

The attack itself was never viewed to be racially motivated outside of the far right across the globe amplifying it into one. And there's an essence of it going on here too tbh.

Racism is broad and nebulous making it inherently difficult for mods to eliminate. Maybe we should just have a 'lets talk about racism' thread. Fear of 'the other' isn't a philosophy that can just be mooted through logic.

22-12-2020 11:38PM

Overheal wrote: »

Racism is broad and nebulous making it inherently difficult for mods to eliminate. Maybe we should just have a 'lets talk about racism' thread. Fear of 'the other' isn't a philosophy that can just be mooted through logic.

Thing is, it reached full prominence because of the global far right and the motivation was most definitely racist. And when you glance at the posters still pushing that angle, they crop up in every thread about race. Eg there's one poster that is frankly fixated on Dr Ebun Joseph because she's raised the issue of racism in Ireland, he manages to bring her up yet again but in this thread? That's a particular angle and it's not so subtle.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/far-right-groups-weaponise-cork-18388964

Overheal · 23-12-2020 12:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thing is, it reached full prominence because of the global far right and the motivation was most definitely racist. And when you glance at the posters still pushing that angle, they crop up in every thread about race. Eg there's one poster that is frankly fixated on Dr Ebun Joseph because she's raised the issue of racism in Ireland, he manages to bring her up yet again but in this thread? That's a particular angle and it's not so subtle.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/far-right-groups-weaponise-cork-18388964

With no way of knowing who any one user is and what their motivations are, mods can only look at the face value and in most circumstances that's face value of the distinct reports/complaints until they begin to match a heuristic pattern (if they do at all). Just because it is raining trumps and putins outside doesn't mean it makes a great forum policy to ban people for being wet with misinformation or stoked tensions about race. **** that clearly crosses the line is easy to deal with and IME gets dealt with sometimes immediately, leaving nothing but the dog whistling.

Quantum Erasure · 24-12-2020 04:42AM

excludedbin wrote: »

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If you're scared about driving away potential traffic then consider the kind of people you're driving away instead and what kind of userbase you're eventually going to be left with. CA may not yet be as bad as, say, Voat, but that's the direction it's headed in.

Just seen that voat is shutting down christmas day, prepare for an influx of maybe five users posting twice a week....

Fr_Dougal · 24-12-2020 01:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thing is, it reached full prominence because of the global far right and the motivation was most definitely racist. And when you glance at the posters still pushing that angle, they crop up in every thread about race. Eg there's one poster that is frankly fixated on Dr Ebun Joseph because she's raised the issue of racism in Ireland, he manages to bring her up yet again but in this thread? That's a particular angle and it's not so subtle.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/far-right-groups-weaponise-cork-18388964

Why not share your opinion on the thread rather than trying to have the thread shut from here? I notice you haven’t posted on the thread over in CA.

24-12-2020 02:10PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Why not share your opinion on the thread rather than trying to have the thread shut from here? I notice you haven’t posted on the thread over in CA.

I have no desire to contribute to a thread that amounts to a load of racism. It just ends up being a perpetual argument.

Overheal · 24-12-2020 02:25PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Why not share your opinion on the thread rather than trying to have the thread shut from here? I notice you haven’t posted on the thread over in CA.

Tried that tact in the BLM thread. In short, people are not interested in critical debate there, they just want to tell you how bad black people are.

ExMachina1000 · 24-12-2020 06:32PM

Overheal wrote: »

Tried that tact in the BLM thread. In short, people are not interested in critical debate there, they just want to tell you how bad black people are.

I find people on that thread just want to tell you how racist white people are

28-12-2020 06:43AM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I find people on that thread just want to tell you how racist white people are

A certain few like to do that alright.

I find that it's mostly about how **** BLM are as a group, not about how bad black people are.

Overheal · 28-12-2020 06:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A certain few like to do that alright.

I find that it's mostly about how **** BLM are as a group, not about how bad black people are.

Or how white a black activist is? Real high brow stuff. Definitely not racist to judge someone by their skin color or nothing.

kildare lad wrote: »

The whitest black man in America . I'm blacker than him if we've a bit of sun here for a few days

Beasty · 28-12-2020 07:33PM

Overheal wrote: »

Or how white a black activist is? Real high brow stuff. Definitely not racist to judge someone by their skin color or nothing.

Seriously?

You report a post nearly 2 weeks after it was made and then head over to Feedback to complain about the same post 2 minutes later??

If you are going to use this thread to "complain" like this I'll threadban you

Please provide constructive feedback on the forum

V8 Interceptor · 28-12-2020 07:52PM

Overheal wrote: »

Tried that tact in the BLM thread. In short, people are not interested in critical debate there, they just want to tell you how bad black people are.

Now calling out "the Ryans" Lidl Ad as the joke that it was gets you banned from CA for a week and banned from a Gemma thread of all things.

Most ordinary Irish people were laughing at that Ad but its a no go here.

Keep it up and they'll give birth to an actual nasty far right in this Country. As sure as night follows day.

Overheal · 28-12-2020 08:07PM

Beasty wrote: »

Seriously?

You report a post nearly 2 weeks after it was made and then head over to Feedback to complain about the same post 2 minutes later??

If you are going to use this thread to "complain" like this I'll threadban you

Please provide constructive feedback on the forum

It is constructive, there is a current, ie. in the last day, here, discussion about racism in the forum. Can I not both report it when I see it for mods to delete it and highlight the fact that the post was made to begin with to demonstrate this racism is indeed occurring? Or did the act of reporting it make it not exist?

Do we not have racism emanating in the forum? Yes, we do. That's the feedback!

Edit: I also upon reflection I feel I must publicly note my objection to the breach of privacy issue of attempting to publicly shame a user for use of the report post function. I shouldn’t have to obviate that such public displays of violating the users trust does nothing to encourage broad participation in reporting posts for mod attention. Problems with a users alleged abuse of the function can surely be handled in a matter equally private as the function itself. Far from the first time an admin or a mod has treated a user as such, but my 2c is to entreat a review of the practice.

Dial Hard · 29-12-2020 11:59AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Most ordinary Irish people were laughing at that Ad.

Speak for yourself.

ExMachina1000 · 31-12-2020 10:09AM

The thread relating to the shooting in Dublin yesterday has been closed "for review " since last night.

Hows the review going?

On a side note the journal. Ie have their comments section closed too. Both owned by the same company.

Coincidence or policy

31-12-2020 10:28AM

I think there’s merit in leaving it open. What with talk of protests arranged at Garda stations and all. People deserve to have an opinion heard on all sides

Timberrrrrrrr · 31-12-2020 10:30AM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The thread relating to the shooting in Dublin yesterday has been closed "for review " since last night.

Hows the review going?

On a side note the journal. Ie have their comments section closed too. Both owned by the same company.

Coincidence or policy

If that were the case then this thread would be closed as well no?

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058145027/44

Beasty · 31-12-2020 10:50AM

I wish people would stop all this Journal conspiracy stuff. They have zero influence over here.

I've not had a chance to look at the CA thread. I have seen a hell of a lot of reports which triggered the closing. My personal view is the Dublin City thread should be closed and posters re-directed to CA, but before proposing that to local mods I do want to work my way through the CA thread in particular.

ExMachina1000 · 31-12-2020 11:02AM

Beasty wrote: »

I wish people would stop all this Journal conspiracy stuff. They have zero influence over here.

I've not had a chance to look at the CA thread. I have seen a hell of a lot of reports which triggered the closing. My personal view is the Dublin City thread should be closed and posters re-directed to CA, but before proposing that to local mods I do want to work my way through the CA thread in particular.

Indeed. The half dozen posters who "thanked" the "under review" post gave themselves away.
No issue there but the entire thread is locked so nobody can talk about it.

The opinions of the few have superseded the opinions of the many. Thread locked.

Just like real life!

Insect Overlord · 31-12-2020 11:02AM

Beasty wrote: »

My personal view is the Dublin City thread should be closed and posters re-directed to CA, but before proposing that to local mods I do want to work my way through the CA thread in particular.

It might be a good idea to parachute some temporary replacements in to look after Dublin City. The local mods haven't been active in a while. One particular poster has been doing most of the damage right from the opening pages in that thread.

ExMachina1000 · 31-12-2020 11:07AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If that were the case then this thread would be closed as well no?

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058145027/44

That's why I asked coincidence or policy.

Thanks for your input.
Jim

31-12-2020 11:08AM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Indeed. The half dozen posters who "thanked" the "under review" post gave themselves away.
No issue there but the entire thread is locked so nobody can talk about it.

The opinions of the few have superseded the opinions of the many. Thread locked.

Just like real life!

This isn't Alabama, the majority of Irish people don't have issues with foreigners etc, something that you might get to understand when living here.

KyussB · 31-12-2020 11:10AM

It's an important story and it looks like it will have been partially shut down for roughly 12 of the 24 hours since it happened. Granted, most of that being overnight, but that's still not acceptable.

Several major sites have curtailed comments on the story, in one of the bluntest ways I've ever seen this done in Ireland.

It's not ok for heated comments and mass reporting to be used to shut down all discussion on a story, even when it is turning to shit, as it leads to shutting down discussion altogether. Several sites have used this as the justification for doing that.

That makes it harder for the moderators, yes - but right now it's curtailing public discussion over a very important story, and that's a far greater harm - moderators needs to moderate discussions without shutting them down, and this one needs to be opened up again and dealt with in realtime, with the old posts dealt with retroactively.

31-12-2020 11:56AM

There’s a mass protest outside Blanchardstown Garda Station calling on Justice For George while we are in Level 5 Lockdown. They are saying they’ll go back every day for 14 days and “take the knee”. This all deserves to be discussed in a current affairs thread while it’s actually current. Should be opened.

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