Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

endainoz · 30-12-2020 11:52AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Like a novel

Like clockwork

endainoz · 30-12-2020 11:54AM

alps wrote: »

They've promised that if the supply of vaccine arrives as planned, everyone will have been vaccinated by the end of August...

Don't know if they've run the calculator on it, but it equates to 240,000 a week...starting now..

Just cant find the information on spec sheets or anywhere, but I'm concerned it could end up that we'll need a 6 month booster..

How will that work out if all of us are not vaccinated by June or July...?

You would still exclude kids and pregnant women from that list, and the lunatics who won't get it no matter what. I'd be (reasonably) confident that most will have it by June. That statement may age well but we'll see.

whelan2 · 30-12-2020 12:52PM

454 in hospital today. Crazy numbers

yosemitesam1 · 30-12-2020 01:22PM

whelan2 wrote: »

454 in hospital today. Crazy numbers

How many of those caught it in hospital? We aren't told

whelan2 · 30-12-2020 01:26PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

How many of those caught it in hospital? We aren't told

Something like 59 admissions yesterday who I assume didn't catch it in hospital . Reading about the goings on in Rathkeale and Wexford is so annoying

yosemitesam1 · 30-12-2020 01:59PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Something like 59 admissions yesterday who I assume didn't catch it in hospital . Reading about the goings on in Rathkeale and Wexford is so annoying

I I wouldn't put it passed civil servants to be a little creative in their definition of "covid admission" to cover their backs. Outbreaks reported in galway and mayo hospitals recently and probably some smaller outbreaks we wont hear about either.
Was it letterkenny hospital where they dragged their feet during the lockdown before testing everyone?
Friends wife was in for cancer treatment, tested negative on way in and positive while in hospital. They wanted to send her home early even with the covid positive. Would make ya wonder...

whelan2 · 30-12-2020 02:17PM

Testing centre in Ardee was closed there for a few days and people were being sent to mullingar to get tested

Water John · 30-12-2020 03:37PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Like a novel

A subset genre, science fiction.

yosemitesam1 · 30-12-2020 03:48PM

Water John wrote: »

A subset genre, science fiction.

How do you see things playing out differently?

Water John · 30-12-2020 03:53PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

How do you see things playing out differently?

We'll have one last major lockdown. That was obvious from a couple of months ago. Major vaccination general rollout will start March and ramp up fairly quickly.
A Level 2/3 will be maintained until late summer, by which time all who want to will have been vaccinated. More or less back to normal life next Autumn.

yosemitesam1 · 30-12-2020 04:58PM

Water John wrote: »

We'll have one last major lockdown. That was obvious from a couple of months ago. Major vaccination general rollout will start March and ramp up fairly quickly.
A Level 2/3 will be maintained until late summer, by which time all who want to will have been vaccinated. More or less back to normal life next Autumn.

We have zero data about asymptomatic transmission from previously vaccinated individuals. What if that turns out to be less than perfect?

What if the most vulnerable dont respond as well to vaccination as those in the vaccine trials?

Will trying our best be good enough or will we have to wait for next generation covid vaccines before returning to normal?

We dont know the answers to any of the above but the future is definitely not as clear as rollout the vaccine and reopen society when that is achieved if we are to be perfectly consistent with the logic that has underpinned society's response to covid to date

wrangler · 30-12-2020 06:02PM

full level 5 lockdown now, schools not open till 11th jan

endainoz · 30-12-2020 07:19PM

wrangler wrote: »

full level 5 lockdown now, schools not open till 11th jan

I'd imagine that might get extended by a few weeks too, we'll wait and see. It's a real shame that the English variant got to spread so quickly. The HSE are really worried now as it looks like their fears before Christmas have been realized.

wrangler · 30-12-2020 07:23PM

endainoz wrote: »

I'd imagine that might get extended by a few weeks too, we'll wait and see. It's a real shame that the English variant got to spread so quickly. The HSE are really worried now as it looks like their fears before Christmas have been realized.

With the vaccines on the horizon they probably shouldn't have lifted the restrictions........ hospitals will be under huge pressure now.

Water John · 30-12-2020 07:55PM

Schools will reopen on 11th as that will have allowed them an isolation period of two weeks from today.
Personally Wrangler I would have preferred a more sober approach up to Christmas, too much contact. However would the public have stayed with it?

Morris Moss · 30-12-2020 08:12PM

wrangler wrote: »

With the vaccines on the horizon they probably shouldn't have lifted the restrictions........ hospitals will be under huge pressure now.

Hospitals are under pressure every winter, this is nothing new

Water John · 30-12-2020 08:19PM

Morris Moss wrote: »

Hospitals are under pressure every winter, this is nothing new

Your problem is the ICU wards. You cannot arrive at a situation where the beds have to be rationed and decision made as to which patient will get it.

wrangler · 30-12-2020 08:22PM

Morris Moss wrote: »

Hospitals are under pressure every winter, this is nothing new

Admittedly they seem to have no ability to learn from mistakes from year to year but I don't think they'll have seen anything like what's coming at them now.
A high up person in public health lives nearby by and seems under no pressure when I meet her out walking every day over christmas.
You'd never think there was a crisis

wrangler · 30-12-2020 08:23PM

Water John wrote: »

Your problem is the ICU wards. You cannot arrive at a situation where the beds have to be rationed and decision made as to which patient will get it.

Or even draw lots for the oxygen

yosemitesam1 · 30-12-2020 08:34PM

Water John wrote: »

Your problem is the ICU wards. You cannot arrive at a situation where the beds have to be rationed and decision made as to which patient will get it.

They are rationed at some stage almost every year. The only difference is that they didn't have masses of data that isnt fully understood being generated pre covid.
Covid has yet to spiral into the complete doomsday scenario that the models say it will anywhere in the world. Any fool can extend a line on a graph, doesn't mean that there's any real substance to it

Water John · 30-12-2020 08:37PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

They are rationed at some stage almost every year. The only difference is that they didn't have masses of data that isnt fully understood being generated pre covid.
Covid has yet to spiral into the complete doomsday scenario that the models say it will anywhere in the world. Any fool can extend a line on a graph, doesn't mean that there's any real substance to it

I have family that work in ICU, so know the drill. You cannot go to 110% capacity.

odyssey06 · 30-12-2020 08:43PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

They are rationed at some stage almost every year. The only difference is that they didn't have masses of data that isnt fully understood being generated pre covid.
Covid has yet to spiral into the complete doomsday scenario that the models say it will anywhere in the world. Any fool can extend a line on a graph, doesn't mean that there's any real substance to it

It's what have happened had we carried on as 'normal' and treated it like #justtheflubro.

_Brian · 30-12-2020 09:00PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

They are rationed at some stage almost every year. The only difference is that they didn't have masses of data that isnt fully understood being generated pre covid.
Covid has yet to spiral into the complete doomsday scenario that the models say it will anywhere in the world. Any fool can extend a line on a graph, doesn't mean that there's any real substance to it

Hasn’t spiralled because of the efforts to control it, or have you missed that we had lockdowns and exceptional measures now for 9 months to control it.

Amd the measures work because they have essentially completely controlled the regular flu.

But no doubt you won’t recognise these FACTS as they don’t suit your narrative of covid being over hyped.

I sincerely wish the mute function blocked me seeing quoted posts
Because it’s drivel at this stage.

Morris Moss · 30-12-2020 09:19PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's what have happened had we carried on as 'normal' and treated it like #justtheflubro.

It's **** like this that sicken my hole, the flu is a much more dangerous disease than covid, the fact that it's not as contagious doesn't negate that.

Morris Moss · 30-12-2020 09:24PM

_Brian wrote: »

Hasn’t spiralled because of the efforts to control it, or have you missed that we had lockdowns and exceptional measures now for 9 months to control it.

Amd the measures work because they have essentially completely controlled the regular flu.

But no doubt you won’t recognise these FACTS as they don’t suit your narrative of covid being over hyped.

I sincerely wish the mute function blocked me seeing quoted posts
Because it’s drivel at this stage.

Just a quick question, why haven't the ICU numbers gone up in the last 2 months, it's the hysteria from the likes of you that's drivel, constant misery and negativity blaming everything and anyone not following the gospel according to nphet

Water John · 30-12-2020 09:34PM

The 2nd phase was mostly younger people who fair pretty well. However 3rd phase is right across the ages and so the hospitalisation, ICUs and deaths are on the increase.
When you drill into the data, it yields the answers.

odyssey06 · 30-12-2020 09:40PM

Morris Moss wrote: »

It's **** like this that sicken my hole, the flu is a much more dangerous disease than covid, the fact that it's not as contagious doesn't negate that.

Covid IFR and CFR higher than flu.
We have considerable previous natural exposure to flu.
We also have vaccines for flu of variable effectiveness (in some years very good, in some years poor).
So if you mean covid in 2020 versus flu in 2020 what you are suggesting has no foundation.

jaymla627 · 30-12-2020 10:02PM

Water John wrote: »

The 2nd phase was mostly younger people who fair pretty well. However 3rd phase is right across the ages and so the hospitalisation, ICUs and deaths are on the increase.
When you drill into the data, it yields the answers.

What’s the average co-morbidities I wonder in Ireland where a Covid death is recorded, its running at over 2.5 in America, its ridiculous the manipulation of data to inflate Covid death rates

Water John · 30-12-2020 10:11PM

We may have a stricter protocol on Covid deaths than NI but that doesn't bother me. We have to watch what we are capable of managing.
You could take the NI figures and to give a pop pro rata multiply it by 2.5 That would be close to 5,000 positives.

Gillespy · 30-12-2020 10:33PM

Mid thirties I would chane covid over a bad flu. The flu is no joke either. It fills hospitals every winter and kills a lot of people. People of all ages. Idiots only downplay the flu.

Covid is so lethal you can have it and not even know it. Sick of the same crowd pushing cases while not acknowledging the fact it's no where near as bad as feared last spring. Weeks of thousands of cases yet nothing close to the promised disaster. Keep the fear peddle floored at all costs though. It makes you feel better, to hell with everything else.

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